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I've spent a ton of time, money and energy on products by Fantasy Flight Games. I organized weekly x-wing nights for several years, got all my friends into x-wing, bought everything Runewars had to offer, painted, built terrain and invested in this community. I still love these games, but I'm not a fan of FFG anymore. I won't get into the details, but I don't think they treated the fans of this game well. I'm really glad I have this game, but I won't be buying any future FFG products.

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I agree with you OP. They killed off a game with a dedicated fan base, just like GW did with Warhammer Fantasy. And the thing is, Runewars was a game that a lot of those WFB players picked up to get that rank and file military strategy fix. To be let down like that again... well, it can turn people away from the hobby altogether. I was an avid Runewars collector and Star Wars Armada player, and I bought at least one of everything Elves and every SWA release, but stopped shortly after they dropped Runewars. So I don't blame you.

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The flip side of this story is that FFG at least produced a full game, to the point where all the factions received at least equal releases if not equal force balance.  And a dedicated fan base does not automatically equal a profitable fan base.  FFG made a full game, and then stated when they felt the game was complete so the fans would know.  That's more than some companies do.  I'm still salty over PP's handling of the end of Monpoc 1.0....which as fans we're still waiting to hear the story behind why they just stopped making things with the third and final release of the second wave never produced.  

The gaming landscape is tough, and Runewars' fate was pretty much revealed when the game didn't take off after Adepticon put several hundred starters into the market.

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I didn't even play Runewars, but I do agree they dropped the ball on this game.  Ity had a lot of potential, but I think FFG underestimated the resources and the market for this type of game.  This wasn't X-wing that is played with 3-5 minis, and it wasn't Legion, which probably uses the same molds for most of their releases, and I think it was too much for them.   FFG thought they could be GW or P3 and it backfired. 

 

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16 hours ago, C2K said:

I didn't even play Runewars, but I do agree they dropped the ball on this game.  Ity had a lot of potential, but I think FFG underestimated the resources and the market for this type of game.  This wasn't X-wing that is played with 3-5 minis, and it wasn't Legion, which probably uses the same molds for most of their releases, and I think it was too much for them.   FFG thought they could be GW or P3 and it backfired. 

 

P3 = Privateer Press?  Ew, why would FFG want to be them?  :P

As soon as Legion was announced, I had a feeling that Runewars was more or less a test run of the production methods they would need to make Legion. Maybe even a production proof of concept to get Disney to approve the entire Legion line.  So essentially an expensive prototype of a game system that they were banking on making more than enough money to cover the cost they'd incur, knowing that Legion would appeal to a much larger audience and sell better.  

From that perspective (and if I'm even close to be correct), Runewars was a resounding success.  

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Or/and they chucked all the resources (staff, budget etc) at Legion because of the FFG SW love-in (where each month's news is the 'how many SW news articles this month' guessing game)

 

It is of course possible that they can succeed with Legion because it's quite unique to them, maybe they were too late to the party with RWM- fantasy miniatures wargame rivals having many years ground over FFG.

 

Plenty of Terrinoth kit/ideas out there for fans to work with though and that which was developed for RWM could find its way into other games ideas-wise, unless they're also gradually killing off their own IP's in favour of other companies' IP's, which sadly seems to be a lot of the gist of recent communications from FFG, it's a bit like that other modern media malaise that is celeb culture, follow and feed the crowd rather than caring enough about your own creativity and uniqueness.

 

Edited by Watercolour Dragon
added /and

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Since my earlier post we have of course had confirmation of something Descent/Terrinoth related upcoming, so Terrinoth is alive and well.

 

Still think there's potential to convert Descent heroes/monsters for anyone wishing to do so, if you don't glue RWM minis into their bigger bases some of the hero type bases would fit these as one option and also there are ways you could tray up groups of minis.

 

You'd just need to figure (hehe) out how to do (or have alternatives for) dials and movement markers etc.

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Anyone with access to a 3d printer can make some simple base inserts that fit runewars bases.  I was scouting out some various minis to add to the game a bit ago (I've gotten sidetracked since then).  A very simple dial solution is to just put masking tape over a duplicate dial and draw a new one on.

My long term hope and goal is to make some circular dial images for download and print, which can be printed onto stickers and placed on existing dials (who needs 3 Ardus dials anyway?).

As I have no experiance in modern digital image making so I need someone with the skills to actually do this 😁.

Another dial option would be to create a file for a dial for MDF printing.

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If you want a giant sized boulder of ideas this epic list of NPC's for the Terrinoth/Mennara 'gameverse' by IamGazrok might suggest something you'd like to bring to the game for existing or new factions/armies:

 

https://www.scabard.com/pbs/campaign/235523/folder/263802

 

(there are also other potentially useful posts on characters and beasties in the Genesys forums)

 

It's also maybe a good thing FFG sometimes stop making stuff, I could easily see myself collecting all the minis for all of these if they all had them and the minis were still available, my wallet would hate me.

 

I have suggested FFG could offer 3d print items as a way of expanding ranges outside of the main lines but it got no response so no idea if they got the feedback....

 

Wonder if there's a way of 3d or/and card printing substitute dials or alternatives etc then you could tailor things to added entities as FFG aren't adding any such new units... Maybe not exactly the way such things are done in the game if it can't be done the same but something that works similarly?

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4 hours ago, Jukey said:

Anyone with access to a 3d printer can make some simple base inserts that fit runewars bases.  

2 hours ago, Watercolour Dragon said:

Wonder if there's a way of 3d or/and card printing substitute dials or alternatives etc then you could tailor things to added entities as FFG aren't adding any such new units... Maybe not exactly the way such things are done in the game if it can't be done the same but something that works similarly?

3D printing isn't very precise yet (at least not for any home printer), so you may end up with various problems attempting it. For base inserts, it would be simpler to purchase some of the triangle-style bases, such as thesefile1-14-600x600.jpeg

You can use 3D printing for bases probably (you'll probably need a bit of postwork, but it's still something you can work with). With the way 3D printing leaves lines and blemishes, you won't want to use it for dials.

4 hours ago, Jukey said:

Another dial option would be to create a file for a dial for MDF printing.

That's probably the best bet, long-term. You'll run out of spare Ardus dials quickly if you're making new units. And a dial is rather easy to make. 

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I agree with the concerns about 3-d printing.  That said, I've had some good luck lasercutting 25mm bases for individuals and also 8xmagnet bases to serve for the 2x2 unit bases.  Dials are also fairly easy to lasercut/etch in monochrome given the artwork.  

 

I have to confess, Runewars is still aspirational for me... increasingly so as I get back into Warmaster, but I like the dial concept.  Legion is slightly less aspirational: I think I've played it twice, but it also seems a fairly solid system.  

 

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