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3 minutes ago, bleezy said:

So the defense token that the rebel commander gives you goes on one of your ships? Not on the commander herself? That makes slightly more sense. Is her second ability basically proof against Intel Officer and Avenger? I don't really think I understand the point otherwise.

Thats not how I read it. I interpreted it as fleetwide access to a single type of token.

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Just now, Madaghmire said:

Thats not how I read it. I interpreted it as fleetwide access to a single type of token.

I don't think so - other commanders that benefit the whole fleet say 'each ship' or 'every ship' or whatever.

My read is that after you deploy your fleet, you get ONE non-scatter token to add to any ship you want.

(She is only 20 pts, after all, and apparently the built-in-ECM does apply fleetwide, so...)

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5 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Thats not how I read it. I interpreted it as fleetwide access to a single type of token.

5 Nebulons each with a redirect each and stronger side shields after a turn one repair command? oh yes adn a discarding ECM type ability. hopefully it is only one ship ot each ship.

But still, I'm not looking forwards to facing Admonition with a brace token. Or MC80A Defiance with Lando, 2 Braces, RBDs & ECM.

 

Edited by Mad Cat

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8 minutes ago, xanderf said:

The parenthetical on the card is (even if the attack is also obstructed by card effects)

That's Cracken.

You are right about that. How I read the new imperial admiral right now is the following: he does only trigger when the shot is obstruced by a ship or obstacle, not by the Cracken obstruction, but if Cracken is active and the ship is also obstruced by a ship/obstacle than General Romodi effect triggers even against Cracken.

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21 minutes ago, xanderf said:

But you could do that with ECM, anyway, only not have to discard it.

The extra token is certainly  useful, though, especially given it seems to allow that new 'salvo' defense token to appear on every ship in a fleet.  (Honestly that feels like the strongest ability and might make her a bit OP - I just don't really get the value of the secondary ability)

Frees up a defensive retrofit for reinforced blast doors or something if you no longer need ECMs

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17 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

No nerf here.

Romodi is when obstructed by “ship or obstacle”.

Cracken is an upgrade

It is if a ship or an obstacle "adds" to him. It seems it says "the attacker doesn't remove a die even if obstructed ALSO by a card effect".

It came with FAQ included, lol.

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1 minute ago, Mad Cat said:

5 Nebulons each with a redirect each and stronger side shields after a turn one repair command? oh yes adn a discarding ECM type ability. 

I'm not looking forwards to Andmonition with a Brace token. 

 

*shudder*

But I mean, the thing is theres an inherent drawback to using the ability as you’ll burn through your tokens faster. Looks like a strong value at twenty points to me though.

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Just now, BlueFalcon251 said:

So...what is the new Defense Token type? Deflect?

It's called Salvo:

" This skill allows one of your existing ships to take advantage of the new salvo defense tokens introduced in this expansion. Spending a salvo defense token allows a ship to perform a salvo attack after the Resolve Damage step of an attack, returning your assailant’s fire shot for shot. Even if your ship is destroyed before performing a salvo attack, as long as the token had been spent it still performs the attack before being removed. Every rebel in the Alliance knows that no matter the cost, they will go down fighting. " (from the article)

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Salvo tokens are amazing sure there will be ways to add them with upgrades, but I think it would be awsome if every ship in the game just retroactivity got one like eratta the rules to say in addition to the standard deffinse tokens assinged to a ship each ship gets 1 salvo token. Would really swing first last stuff almost completely out the door, but then that would make these mandatory expansion to even play the game so probably not just hope there are a lot of options to add these guys.

Also the rebel commander says when you deploy and when you spend a defense token. So  that means she only works on the ship she is on correct?

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25 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

No nerf here.

Romodi is when obstructed by “ship or obstacle”.

Cracken is an upgrade

 

23 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

It also has that parenthetical addition that states “even if also obstructed by card effect”. So if I target a cracken three speed cr90 behind an asteroid, I get the dice, but if theres no asteroid I dont?

Isn’t Cracken an effect? 

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12 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Thats not how I read it. I interpreted it as fleetwide access to a single type of token.

I can't read it as fleetwide. It is basically Endeavour + "you-kind-of-effect".

I cannot explain the bunch of new tokens, though.

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25 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

No nerf here.

Romodi is when obstructed by “ship or obstacle”.

Cracken is an upgrade

 

23 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

It also has that parenthetical addition that states “even if also obstructed by card effect”. So if I target a cracken three speed cr90 behind an asteroid, I get the dice, but if theres no asteroid I dont?

Isn’t Cracken an effect? 

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25 minutes ago, xanderf said:

That 'extra defense token' thing really is bonkers, though.

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Hmmm....what defense token to add...what defense token to add...

I'm reading this totally differently than everyone else. 

I read this as a single ability. You gain the non-scatter defense token and put it on her card.

Every ship in the fleet can discard one of its defense tokens to resolve the effect of the "extra" defense token.

So if you put a Redirect on there, your neb could discard its evade to use the redirect effect, but your CR90 couldn't discard an evade to redirect and ALSO spend its built in redirect. 

Could be totally off base.

Edited by hufflazon

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1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I can't read it as fleetwide. It is basically Endeavour + "you-kind-of-effect".

I cannot explain the bunch of new tokens, though.

Fair point on the tokens - 5 copies of 'salvo' tokens would seem a bit unneeded if her buff wasn't fleetwide.

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9 minutes ago, xanderf said:

I don't think so - other commanders that benefit the whole fleet say 'each ship' or 'every ship' or whatever.

My read is that after you deploy your fleet, you get ONE non-scatter token to add to any ship you want.

(She is only 20 pts, after all, and apparently the built-in-ECM does apply fleetwide, so...)

I read the discard effect as only being able to access that token. So like, if i have a fleet of say, two mc30’s and two Nebs for some reason, I could chose say, salvo, and any ship could burn one of their defense tokens to access that salvo. 

If I’m understanding it, your interpretation would be that whichever ship the commander is one gets an extra token, and any ship in the fleet can burn any of their defense tokens to access that burned tokens effect?

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The presence of three salvo tokens in the Onager preview leads me to believe the Imperials are also getting a card letting them eqiup salvos to ships from earlier waves.

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I can see the argument for why you'd only gain a defense token on one ship, but it seems weird that there are so many Salvo defense tokens coming with this expansion. 

I'm definitely hoping there is a way to get Salvo tokens spread around because it would have a huge impact on the game. Last/first will be less effective or at least harder to pull off. It also felt a little weird to me to have ships die without firing a shot when they should be theoretically exchanging fire at the same time.

 

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1 minute ago, hufflazon said:

I'm reading this totally differently than everyone else. 

I read this as a single ability. You gain the non-scatter defense token and put it on her card.

Every ship in the fleet can discard one of its defense tokens to resolve the effect of the "extra" defense token.

So if you put a Redirect on there, your neb could discard its evade to use the redirect effect, but your CR90 couldn't discard an evade to redirect and ALSO spend its redirect. 

Could be totally off base.

Also how I read it. Lets die on this hill together.

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Can we talk about a subtle thing everyone has missed. The Starhawk preview has 5 volley defences, 1 brace, 1 redirect, 1 evade, 1 contain.

 

the admiral adds one of any defence except scatter. Needa adds an evade and the box he came in had an extra evade.

i think the starhawk has 4 volleys as defences and NOTHING ELSE

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