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There is a difference between emergency use in the field and what a government does with captured military equipment.  What a soldier needs to do in the field of battle is survive, and anything is up for grabs.

Yes German scientists were shipped away to the US, UK, and Russia after the war, but that isn't quite the same thing.  Hiring a scientist isn't the same as using captured equipment.

Most captured military equipment by large forces is simply discarded, scrapped, or destroyed (even if more advanced, superior, or it could be used to supplement forces).  WW1 and WW2 German battleships were scuttled, used for target practice, or used in nuke testing.  German subs were scrapped.  German tanks were used for target practice and to test new anti-tank weaponry.  What couldn't be used or moved easily was often destroyed on the spot.  Much of the German equipment of WW2 outclassed allied powers, and could have been used to short term supplement forces...but it wasn't (for the most part).  Russia did keep a small division of German tanks in operation for awhile.  Much of it WAS studied.  Bring a couple back home, rip them apart, steal ideas, etc.

The US didn't keep British military uniforms to use in it's own army after the Revolutionary war.  Those uniforms were a symbol of their enemy known world wide.

It's much like when a nation rebels against a government, the symbols of power and status are often looted/destroyed.  When you overthrow a dictator, the people destroy the palaces they once lived in.  That building represented the old system.  It might make sense to keep it, maintain it, sell it...but destroying it is cathartic.  Same with ripping down statues.  When you are finally freed from something bad, you don't want constant reminders of that time in your face.

The biggest objections are logistics (weapons that use different ammo, or a different control system requiring retraining), or symbolism.  After our world wars, the bigger issue is actually logistics.  This doesn't seem like it would be an issue for Star Wars.  So the issue is clearly symbolism.  Most of the Imperial army was built around symbolism.  Giant intimidating flying triangles.  Giant, tall walkers with massive weapons.  White clad, faceless army.  Reusing any of the equipment that had once been used to terrorize a galaxy would be dicey.  What message does that convey to the people?  What message does that convey to your soldiers?

When a regime is destroyed, it's monuments are destroyed with it.  To that end, Imperial equipment was as much of a monument to Imperial control as any Imperial building.  Scrapping ISDs to make new ships makes complete sense.  Reuse the armor playing, reuse the weapons, reuse the engines, but create something that looks significantly different so that it's a symbol of new hope instead of a symbol of old oppressive power.

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46 minutes ago, kmanweiss said:

There is a difference between emergency use in the field and what a government does with captured military equipment.  What a soldier needs to do in the field of battle is survive, and anything is up for grabs.

Yes German scientists were shipped away to the US, UK, and Russia after the war, but that isn't quite the same thing.  Hiring a scientist isn't the same as using captured equipment.

Most captured military equipment by large forces is simply discarded, scrapped, or destroyed (even if more advanced, superior, or it could be used to supplement forces).  WW1 and WW2 German battleships were scuttled, used for target practice, or used in nuke testing.  German subs were scrapped.  German tanks were used for target practice and to test new anti-tank weaponry.  What couldn't be used or moved easily was often destroyed on the spot.  Much of the German equipment of WW2 outclassed allied powers, and could have been used to short term supplement forces...but it wasn't (for the most part).  Russia did keep a small division of German tanks in operation for awhile.  Much of it WAS studied.  Bring a couple back home, rip them apart, steal ideas, etc.

The US didn't keep British military uniforms to use in it's own army after the Revolutionary war.  Those uniforms were a symbol of their enemy known world wide.

It's much like when a nation rebels against a government, the symbols of power and status are often looted/destroyed.  When you overthrow a dictator, the people destroy the palaces they once lived in.  That building represented the old system.  It might make sense to keep it, maintain it, sell it...but destroying it is cathartic.  Same with ripping down statues.  When you are finally freed from something bad, you don't want constant reminders of that time in your face.

The biggest objections are logistics (weapons that use different ammo, or a different control system requiring retraining), or symbolism.  After our world wars, the bigger issue is actually logistics.  This doesn't seem like it would be an issue for Star Wars.  So the issue is clearly symbolism.  Most of the Imperial army was built around symbolism.  Giant intimidating flying triangles.  Giant, tall walkers with massive weapons.  White clad, faceless army.  Reusing any of the equipment that had once been used to terrorize a galaxy would be dicey.  What message does that convey to the people?  What message does that convey to your soldiers?

When a regime is destroyed, it's monuments are destroyed with it.  To that end, Imperial equipment was as much of a monument to Imperial control as any Imperial building.  Scrapping ISDs to make new ships makes complete sense.  Reuse the armor playing, reuse the weapons, reuse the engines, but create something that looks significantly different so that it's a symbol of new hope instead of a symbol of old oppressive power.

This. Totally agree, although I will always love the image of a captured SSD with a New Republic firebird painted on it. (Legends)

 

Also, if we follow movie rules; Rebel and Imperial ships should be instantly recognizable at a distance on the screen. Otherwize, realistically, it would be tubes and bricks shooting at each other with IFF. 

 

That would be sad. 

Also, love the two new ships. 

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1 hour ago, OrangeCat said:

This. Totally agree, although I will always love the image of a captured SSD with a New Republic firebird painted on it. (Legends)

 

Also, if we follow movie rules; Rebel and Imperial ships should be instantly recognizable at a distance on the screen. Otherwize, realistically, it would be tubes and bricks shooting at each other with IFF. 

 

That would be sad. 

Also, love the two new ships. 

Definately, that artwork with the Imp and Republic SSDs broadsiding each other is amazing.  The Lusankya is an interesting ship.

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Not to mention that it's a totally different thing to capture something and operate+maintain it. Sure you can learn how to drive and fire with a Tiger, but where would you get replacement tracks, ammo, engine parts, god forbid a new cannon if the old one is damaged beyond repair? These captured units may be powerful but they are extremely fragile as you have no proper spare parts for them. Same goes for Imperial ships. Without the proper shipyards they couldn't be maintained. No wonder that the New Republic in EU started to use ISDs only after the capture of the Kuat Shipyards.

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On 8/2/2019 at 1:42 PM, OrangeCat said:

Also, if we follow movie rules; Rebel and Imperial ships should be instantly recognizable at a distance on the screen.


Or at least, the good guys shoot red lasers and the bad guys shoot green lasers.  Even in that art used from the SSD Battle, the Rebel SSD is shooting red lasers...for reasons...

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3 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:


Or at least, the good guys shoot red lasers and the bad guys shoot green lasers.  Even in that art used from the SSD Battle, the Rebel SSD is shooting red lasers...for reasons...

They get a big discount of colored filters for their "lasers". 99% off if they buy 10,000 or more. 

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20 hours ago, Norell said:

Not to mention that it's a totally different thing to capture something and operate+maintain it. Sure you can learn how to drive and fire with a Tiger, but where would you get replacement tracks, ammo, engine parts, god forbid a new cannon if the old one is damaged beyond repair? These captured units may be powerful but they are extremely fragile as you have no proper spare parts for them. Same goes for Imperial ships. Without the proper shipyards they couldn't be maintained. No wonder that the New Republic in EU started to use ISDs only after the capture of the Kuat Shipyards.

This is only partially correct.

If you have a look at WW2, there were many instances of using captured enemy equipment.

The Germans in particular used a bewildering array of enemy AFVs, vehicles, artillery, and more.

So it is possible, if there is a motivation for doing so. It did cause logistical issues, however, on top of already existing ones.

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After WWII is a totally different story. In peacetime it is possible to buy equipment from your former enemy or buy licensing rights or the blueprints. But in wartime it is not possible to maintain a high number of enemy equipment. Referring to what @Green Knight said, sure it is possible to use captured equipment, especially if they are from the simpler end of the production line like rifles, artillery, recon cars etc. because many of hose parts are easy to reproduce or to some degree interchangeable with your own equipment. A wheel on a car is still a wheel regardless of the car. But a track for a tank is a totally different animal as it has several attributes it has to match in order to operate properly on the tank in question. For such highly complex vehicles as warplanes, battleships or tanks, maintenance will be a true nightmare, bordering the impossible. Sure you could see one or two in action, but if it's damaged, it's most likely left behind.

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On 8/4/2019 at 11:27 AM, Norell said:

After WWII is a totally different story. In peacetime it is possible to buy equipment from your former enemy or buy licensing rights or the blueprints. But in wartime it is not possible to maintain a high number of enemy equipment. Referring to what @Green Knight said, sure it is possible to use captured equipment, especially if they are from the simpler end of the production line like rifles, artillery, recon cars etc. because many of hose parts are easy to reproduce or to some degree interchangeable with your own equipment. A wheel on a car is still a wheel regardless of the car. But a track for a tank is a totally different animal as it has several attributes it has to match in order to operate properly on the tank in question. For such highly complex vehicles as warplanes, battleships or tanks, maintenance will be a true nightmare, bordering the impossible. Sure you could see one or two in action, but if it's damaged, it's most likely left behind.

The Late Middle Ages, Renaissance and 1700’s all called.  They said “See Naval Warfare”.

Also, George Lucas called.  He said Star Wars is a fantasy story for children, not a theoretical military industrial complex space simulation meant to propose the likelihood of logistical necessity trumping operational efficiency.

Then sarcasm called me and said I’d used up my monthly allowance, and to contact their customer services team if I needed to use more sarcasm this month.

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5 minutes ago, Kani Kantai said:

Then sarcasm called me and said I’d used up my monthly allowance, and to contact their customer services team if I needed to use more sarcasm this month.

Please

You had already accepted overages charges as part of your contract, and their call was just a courtesy to say you were already paying them.  On the 5th day of the month.

You need to up your limit, man.

:D

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