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It depends upon what you want and need.  The ARC is a gunship.  The Torrent is a snub fighter.  One packs a missile and... little else beyond raw talent and quantity.  The other is a beast that can be loaded for bear with a compliment of torpedo, crew, gunner, and astromech.  It’s not so much of a “is 1 ARC better than 2 Torrents?”, but more of a “Do I need a 3 attack die ship packing a torpedo and whistles, or a pair of fighters to flank -insert big **** jedi here-?”

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I want something that I can throw in there naked to just get in the way and muck things up for my opponent.  Something that will keep them busy while Obi and Ric do their thing.  I just seems like ARCs melt so fast.

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8 minutes ago, BlastyMcBlasterFace said:

I want something that I can throw in there naked to just get in the way and muck things up for my opponent.  Something that will keep them busy while Obi and Ric do their thing.  I just seems like ARCs melt so fast.

If that's what you're looking for, go for two Torrents.  

As far as melting ARCs, yeah, I get you.  To keep them alive I found that you need to do a combination of 1) present equal or better targets to draw fire, 2) outfit for survival - evade and shield/stealth are an excellent 7 point investment in this regard, 3) do not under estimate that red barrel roll, 4) a BSP Torrent with dedicated as escort isn't a horrible investment. 

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I just don’t like torrents.  I do like some of the named ARCs (Sinker, Wolffe).  If there’s a choice between 2 ARCs and 2 Torrents, I’d go with an ARC and probably with Clone Commander Cody or Palpatine on board.  Or get a jedi sprite for the cost of two torrents.

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I made final table at the Jax Trial this past weekend with

Ric Olie - R2 Astromech

Sinker

Gold Squadron Trooper x4

Total 200

4 Torrents with Sinker rerolls makes them extremely effective, and Ric at 46 points is a steal and works really well with a high efficiency swarm that is too scary to ignore.

The winner and a top 4 finisher flew the same list but a 104th instead of Ric and an upgrade on Sinker (Cody on one, Hull Upgrade on other).

We go into detail on what really worked with the lists on our episode of Florida Man Plays X-Wing Podcast. The episode should be up today or tomorrow!

 

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So my working list is Ric with R2 and a Talent of 7 or less (still trying to figure that one out!), Delta Obi with R2, and three Torrents.

if I strip Ric and Obi naked (except the Delta title), then I can fly two torrents AND one ARC with them.

 

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I like torrents. If your opponent ignores them they are a PITA with blocking and plinking. If your opponent goes after them then congrats, your opponent got 25 points while your late game ship is still undamaged and doing its’ thing.

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For ~50 points of filler, I reccomend the torrents. The extra durability and mobility makes them better support for a double Jedi build. And without wingmates, I don't think Wolfe will survive long enough to do much more damage than the Torrents' bug bites.

At 84-100 points, though, double arcs are a solid base to support the rest of your list, but Torrents lack the support to mini-swarm the way Ties can (Or the way they could during early 1.0 anyway).

What I'm not so sure of is whether you'd want Arc+ Torrent or 3 Torrents for 75 points.

 

I enjoyed 2 104th Battalion Pilots, 2 Gold Squadron Pilots, and Mace Windu, but I'm afraid that list was a casualty of the points changes. I really wish R2 Astromech took the reduced agility of delta 7B into account.

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2 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

If you're taking an ARC that's not Sinker, you can proooobably fit in two torrents instead and make the list better.

In my experience with the Republic, I've found the opposite to be true - when I've taken an ARC, I've never wished for V-19s, but when I've taken a pair of V-19s, I've always regretted it and wished for ARCs.

V-19s can go fast(ish) or turn, never both, and I'd rather have a single 3-die attack over a pair of 2-die attacks.

FFG dropped the ball on the V-19 dial, and the ship suffers for it - the Star Wars Databank describes the V-19 as being fast and maneuverable, but the Torrent has one of the worst dials for a front-line combat ship.

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7 hours ago, VaynMaanen said:

I made final table at the Jax Trial this past weekend with

Ric Olie - R2 Astromech

Sinker

Gold Squadron Trooper x4

Total 200

4 Torrents with Sinker rerolls makes them extremely effective, and Ric at 46 points is a steal and works really well with a high efficiency swarm that is too scary to ignore.

The winner and a top 4 finisher flew the same list but a 104th instead of Ric and an upgrade on Sinker (Cody on one, Hull Upgrade on other).

We go into detail on what really worked with the lists on our episode of Florida Man Plays X-Wing Podcast. The episode should be up today or tomorrow!

 

https://floridamanxwing.podbean.com/

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I have tried out this list and it is extremely strong. While the torrents can be a bit tricky to fly, the Sinker reroll mixed with the torrents getting in the way and taking actions away from the opponent is super strong.  If you can get two turns out of Sinker, you can quickly get ahead. I absolutely decimated the Imperial 5 x 5 list and my friend conceded when he had Mauler and Scourge left against Ric and three Torrents, all at full health.

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2 Torrents give you more blocking potential, larger arc coverage, and are generally more survivable.

That being said, if you are confident you dont need those in your list, and would rather have more firepower to push dmg through aces like vader and fel, go with an arc

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15 hours ago, Subhntr said:

FFG dropped the ball on the V-19 dial, and the ship suffers for it - the Star Wars Databank describes the V-19 as being fast and maneuverable, but the Torrent has one of the worst dials for a front-line combat ship.

Slayn & Korpil makes the Torrent, B-Wing, Starfortress, and B-Wing Mk II the basis of the Resistance Transport and Pod.  With that in mind, take a look at the dials of all those ships. 

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15 hours ago, Subhntr said:

FFG dropped the ball on the V-19 dial, and the ship suffers for it - the Star Wars Databank describes the V-19 as being fast and maneuverable, but the Torrent has one of the worst dials for a front-line combat ship.

When Poe got in a TIE/sf he said “this thing really moves!” But its dial is almost strictly worse than an X-Wing’s. There’s some abstraction involved, but there are also other ways to represent speed and agility. A consistently major one is access to the evade action, which is now limited to a few ships. Repositioning options also help, and the unique torrents do have some interesting ones.

Its dial isn’t great, but it swings around in really interesting ways. If missiles were priced anywhere near usefulness, the named V-19s could be cool little pocket aces.

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4 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Repositioning options also help, and the unique torrents do have some interesting ones.

"Interesting" is a good word to describe the ability of 'Swoop'.

5 hours ago, Pa Weasley said:

Slayn & Korpil makes the Torrent, B-Wing, Starfortress, and B-Wing Mk II the basis of the Resistance Transport and Pod.  With that in mind, take a look at the dials of all those ships. 

True.  However, MandalMotors manufactures the Scyk, the Kimogila, and the Lancer-class (along with almost every other Scum ship) and their dials are pretty different.  Further, both the N-1 and Scurrg are Nubian designs, and share similarities in dial but are still very different based on their role.  And, of course, every single TIE was made by Sienar Fleet Systems, and their dials can be very different from each other.

Having similarities between dials for ships from the same manufacturer is good, and a cool little Easter egg for those who know or research the lore, but it shouldn't come at the price of the ship's identity.  The B-Wing and Resistance Bomber were capital ship killers, not maneuverable starfighters, and maneuver like it.  The V-19, being a fast and maneuverable starfighter, shouldn't have an almost identical dial.

Of course, it does help explain why Ahsoka got a bunch of them killed.

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