LUZ_TAK 637 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) Greetings folks. I have zero scummy experience yet I have this models with the Black Sun b&w paint scheme: Star Viper x2 Kihraxz x2 Z95's Headhunters x6 Extra option: Shadowcaster (no Black Sun paintjob but Ketsu was Black Sun for a long time, not sure the other pilots) What would be a fun + good squad to use this models in a squad? Edit: I'm adding Magnus Grendel clarification about Black Sun affiliated pilots: - Black Sun named pilots are Talonbane Cobra, Prince Xizor, Guri, and Ketsu Onyo, plus any non-limited pilot with "Black Sun" in their name Edit: Updated with new ship count. Edited January 22 by LUZ_TAK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frimmel 2,593 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) I don't know how much fun it is but looking at my collection with the same eye I'd came up with: Kihraxz Fighter - Black Sun Ace - 47 Black Sun Ace - (42) Cluster Missiles (5) StarViper-class Attack Platform - Black Sun Assassin - 70 Black Sun Assassin - (48) Outmaneuver (6) Collision Detector (6) •Virago (10) Z-95-AF4 Headhunter - Black Sun Soldier - 27 Black Sun Soldier - (27) Z-95-AF4 Headhunter - Black Sun Soldier - 27 Black Sun Soldier - (27) Z-95-AF4 Headhunter - Black Sun Soldier - 27 Black Sun Soldier - (27) Total: 198/200View in the X-Wing Squad Builder You could probably get the fourth Z-95 in there but you'd have to give up all the pilots being "Black Sun" pilots or give up all the upgrades which are 27 points. Z-95-AF4 Headhunter - Black Sun Soldier - 27 Black Sun Soldier - (27) Z-95-AF4 Headhunter - Black Sun Soldier - 27 Black Sun Soldier - (27) Z-95-AF4 Headhunter - Black Sun Soldier - 27 Black Sun Soldier - (27) Z-95-AF4 Headhunter - Black Sun Soldier - 27 Black Sun Soldier - (27) Kihraxz Fighter - Black Sun Ace - 42 Black Sun Ace - (42) StarViper-class Attack Platform - Black Sun Assassin - 48 Black Sun Assassin - (48) Total: 198/200 View in the X-Wing Squad Builder Edited June 19, 2019 by Frimmel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LUZ_TAK 637 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) Nice! I didn't thought of making the pilots "black sun" members, but that is full thematic. Thank you. What If I use the models, but any legal pilot available? Edited June 19, 2019 by LUZ_TAK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flooze 544 Posted June 19, 2019 Don't know about Talonbane's affiliation, but guri is black sun Talonbane Cobra (50)Predator (2) Guri (63)Predator (2)Advanced Sensors (10)Afterburners (6) Black Sun Soldier (27)Intimidation (3) Black Sun Soldier (27)Intimidation (3)Total: 193 View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LUZ_TAK 637 Posted June 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, flooze said: Don't know about Talonbane's affiliation, but guri is black sun Just happens that it's seems he is Black Sun ace indeed: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Talonbane_Cobra Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frimmel 2,593 Posted June 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, LUZ_TAK said: Nice! I didn't thought of making the pilots "black sun" members, but that is full thematic. Thank you. What If I use the models, but any legal pilot available? You're on your own there. I just had those two lists and the one below already in my saved lists. I have one with only two Z-95 but they get Proton Rockets and the other ships get shield upgrades. Was getting around to flying one of them and then Clone Wars factions came out. Z-95-AF4 Headhunter - Black Sun Soldier - 34 Black Sun Soldier - (27) Proton Rockets (7) Z-95-AF4 Headhunter - Black Sun Soldier - 34 Black Sun Soldier - (27) Proton Rockets (7) StarViper-class Attack Platform - Black Sun Assassin - 78 Black Sun Assassin - (48) Outmaneuver (6) Collision Detector (6) Shield Upgrade (8) •Virago (10) Kihraxz Fighter - Black Sun Ace - 53 Black Sun Ace - (42) Cluster Missiles (5) Shield Upgrade (6) Total: 199/200 View in the X-Wing Squad Builder Shouldn't just get wiped but you'll likely have your work cut out for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LUZ_TAK 637 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) Tks Frimmel. I really like that there is the option to fly it "full generics" or to include "named aces" and still be within the Black Sun theme. Edited June 19, 2019 by LUZ_TAK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scum4Life 542 Posted June 19, 2019 Guri (63) Advanced Sensors (10) Ship total: 73 Half Points: 37 Threshold: 3 Black Sun Ace (42) Crack Shot (1) Ship total: 43 Half Points: 22 Threshold: 3 Black Sun Soldier (27) Crack Shot (1) Ship total: 28 Half Points: 14 Threshold: 2 Black Sun Soldier (27) Crack Shot (1) Ship total: 28 Half Points: 14 Threshold: 2 Black Sun Soldier (27) Crack Shot (1) Ship total: 28 Half Points: 14 Threshold: 2 Total: 200 Not super optimal as Guri does like a bid but certainly thematic and Fun. Bonus points for using a Guns for hire Khiraxz with the black sun paint scheme. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LUZ_TAK 637 Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, Scum4Life said: Bonus points for using a Guns for hire Khiraxz with the black sun paint scheme. It's exactly my plan 1 Scum4Life reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scum4Life 542 Posted June 19, 2019 Or if you don't need the pilot's to say Black Sun xxxx, try... Guri (63) Outmaneuver (6) Advanced Sensors (10) Afterburners (6) Ship total: 85 Half Points: 43 Threshold: 3 Talonbane Cobra (50) Fearless (3) Contraband Cybernetics (5) Afterburners (6) Ship total: 64 Half Points: 32 Threshold: 3 Binayre Pirate (24) Ship total: 24 Half Points: 12 Threshold: 2 Binayre Pirate (24) Ship total: 24 Half Points: 12 Threshold: 2 Total: 197 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuz05 3,549 Posted June 19, 2019 I can only approve all of the above. Nice options to have and so much theme. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LUZ_TAK 637 Posted June 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Cuz05 said: I can only approve all of the above. Nice options to have and so much theme. Word 1 Cuz05 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LUZ_TAK 637 Posted June 28, 2019 I've updated my "Black Sun Squadron". So far with no named pilots... Black Sun Assassin (48) Outmaneuver (6) Advanced Sensors (10) Ship total: 64 Half Points: 32 Threshold: 3 Black Sun Ace (41) Ship total: 41 Half Points: 21 Threshold: 3 Black Sun Soldier (27) Expert Handling (2) Ship total: 29 Half Points: 15 Threshold: 2 Black Sun Soldier (27) Expert Handling (2) Ship total: 29 Half Points: 15 Threshold: 2 Black Sun Soldier (27) Expert Handling (2) Ship total: 29 Half Points: 15 Threshold: 2 Total: 192 View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0: https://raithos.github.io/?f=Scum and Villainy&d=v8ZsZ200Z150X126W111WWWY123XWWWWWY158X120WWWY158X120WWWY158X120WWW&sn=Black Sun Squadron&obs= Guri is so expensive now... I could get Talonbane cobra and be at 201 pts... perhaps removing expert handling from the Z95s... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flooze 544 Posted June 28, 2019 Thinking about flying this black sun list on a small tourney tomorrow... Not sure yet Ketsu Onyo (70)Fearless (3)Maul (12)Shadow Caster (3) Black Sun Assassin (48)Predator (2)Collision Detector (6) Black Sun Assassin (48)Predator (2)Collision Detector (6)Total: 200 View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0 1 Cuz05 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flooze 544 Posted June 29, 2019 Flew the list above, it is fun although I think it is not super competitive (maybe b-tier range). I was sceptical about the collision detectors, but in all of the three games I used the of the four charges. Ketsu in range 1 is just brutal and a huge enabler. But she is like a candle - once lit she burns down quite fast. Use Perceptive copilot before, but Maul has the benefit of modifications even after a k-turn. Coordinating the engagement is key, so that when Ketsu can steal a green die all three ships can focus the weakened target. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brother Fett 372 Posted June 29, 2019 Super simple with this list: Black Sun (27) Black Sun Soldier [Z-95-AF4 Headhunter] Points: 27 (27) Black Sun Soldier [Z-95-AF4 Headhunter] Points: 27 (48) Black Sun Assassin [StarViper-class Attack Platform] Points: 48 (48) Black Sun Assassin [StarViper-class Attack Platform] Points: 48 (50) Talonbane Cobra [Kihraxz Fighter] Points: 50 Total points: 200 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EvilZealot 1 Posted June 29, 2019 I am thinking about trying to replicate a republic list I like as Scum. The ships I used with the republic were: Delta 7B Anakin Wolfee in Arc 170 2x - Torrents If i were to go with a black sun theme for Scum I was thinking: Guri - starviper Talonbane - Kihraxz 2x - Z95 black sun soldiers thoughts on upgrades for these ships? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuz05 3,549 Posted June 30, 2019 14 hours ago, EvilZealot said: thoughts on upgrades for these ships? (50) Talonbane Cobra [Kihraxz Fighter] (6) Afterburners (3) Fearless Points: 59 (27) Black Sun Soldier [Z-95-AF4 Headhunter] Points: 27 (27) Black Sun Soldier [Z-95-AF4 Headhunter] Points: 27 (64) Guri [StarViper-class Attack Platform] (10) Advanced Sensors (2) Predator Points: 76 Total points: 189 Seems not bad 1 EvilZealot reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Everyday Ace 108 Posted June 30, 2019 My thematic take on this would be Guri [StarViper-class Attack Platform] (64), Crack shot (1): 65 Talonbane Cobra [Kihraxz Fighter] (50), Crack shot (1): 51 Black Sun Soldier [Z-95-AF4 Headhunter] (27), Crack shot (1): 28 Black Sun Soldier [Z-95-AF4 Headhunter] (27), Crack shot (1): 28 Black Sun Soldier [Z-95-AF4 Headhunter] (27), Crack shot (1): 28 Total points: 200 I like that both Guri and Talonbane are Init 5. Of cause a bit would be nice, but I rather have the five crack shots. Another option could be: Guri [StarViper-class Attack Platform] (64), Advanced Sensors (10), Crack shot (1): 75 Talonbane Cobra [Kihraxz Fighter] (50), Crack shot (1): 51 Binayre Pirate [Z-95-AF4 Headhunter] (24): 24 Binayre Pirate [Z-95-AF4 Headhunter] (24): 24 Binayre Pirate [Z-95-AF4 Headhunter] (24): 24 Total points: 198 1 EvilZealot reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EvilZealot 1 Posted June 30, 2019 All of these suggestions are awesome. Is there anything to using the Z-95's with some type of missile? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redd9 74 Posted August 14, 2019 personally I have the best luck when i follow the rule of three with z95s. 3 homing missiles, 3 man formation, starting opposite corner of the rest of the list. Ive also found 2 z95s with ion pulse to be a great bully pair for isolating a single ship while the rest of your list deals with the important things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnus Grendel 11,679 Posted August 15, 2019 Black Sun named pilots are Talonbane Cobra, Prince Xizor, Guri, and Ketsu Onyo, plus any non-limited pilot with "Black Sun" in their name 1 LUZ_TAK reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LUZ_TAK 637 Posted August 17, 2019 On 8/15/2019 at 8:09 AM, Magnus Grendel said: Black Sun named pilots are Talonbane Cobra, Prince Xizor, Guri, and Ketsu Onyo, plus any non-limited pilot with "Black Sun" in their name Awesome! Txs for the clarification. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greedo_Sharpshooter 860 Posted August 17, 2019 Ketsu Onyo (70) Fearless (3) Maul (12) Shadow Caster (3) Ship total: 88 Half Points: 44 Threshold: 5 Black Sun Assassin (48) Predator (2) Advanced Sensors (10) Ship total: 60 Half Points: 30 Threshold: 3 Talonbane Cobra (50) Predator (2) Ship total: 52 Half Points: 26 Threshold: 3 Total: 200 View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0: https://raithos.github.io/?f=Scum and Villainy&d=v8ZsZ200Z126X121W48WWWW160Y150X127W111WWWY119X127WWWWW&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs= this would be pretty solid list. Guri is better but without a bid id go with BSA. 1 Whisco reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oldpara 1,269 Posted August 20, 2019 Actually Ketsu, Talonbane and Guri could be Top Tier competitive squad. Didn't know it's Black Sun themed. Nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
