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Hi, I am 100% confident this has been discussed - probably killing several horses along the way - but the search function here returns too many non-relevant results, so I'm asking again. I have a sizable 1.0 collection, so I bought two 2.0 core sets, two Galactic Empire conversion kits, two Rebel conversion kits, and two Scum conversion kits. When I am all done punching and dial assembling, I have exactly eight 2.0 shield tokens.

I have plenty of ships. I don't intend to buy into the new stuff. All I want is to be able to fly my old stuff with 2.0 rules. Not going to happen with eight shield tokens. They included plenty of new stress tokens (because they changed shape?) and lots of charge and force tokens (because they're new) but I have with everything I purchased to convert to 2.0 six evade tokens (no worries, I'll keep using my old ones), six ion tokens (again, could continue to use my old ones I guess), plenty of tractor beam tokens...and so on. But eight shield tokens? Really?

I've seen plenty of topics posting about taking a sharpie or something to my old shield tokens to color one side red; I guess that's what I'll be doing. But I would really like to know if FFG ever addressed the shortfall. If anyone can link me to the right topic, or even just give me good search terms, I would appreciate it. Thanks.

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3 minutes ago, LagJanson said:

You will have too many soon enough 

Except This:

 

10 minutes ago, drathbun said:

I have plenty of ships. I don't intend to buy into the new stuff. All I want is to be able to fly my old stuff with 2.0 rules. 

 

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This might help.

Tournament regs for 2.0 (text only version): https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/d1/88/d1884752-34e1-4ad6-a992-824f41694a03/x-wing_20_tournament_regulations_printer_friendly.pdf

On page 3 (Underlining, Bolding and Italicization by me):

First (Necessary for clarity):

Essential and Nonessential Components
• There are two types of components in X-Wing: essential components and
nonessential components. Both essential and nonessential components
are required for play, but there are much more specific restrictions on
what can be used to replace or modify essential components.
• Essential components are components for which only specific
substitutions, outlined in this document are allowed. These include
objects (see page 3) and tools (see page 4)
Nonessential components are components for which substitutions are
generally allowed as long as they are appropriate and clear in purpose.
These include indicators (see page 3). A number of examples are
given in this document. In cases of uncertainty, a marshal makes the
final determination whether a given indicator is appropriate and clear in
purpose.

Second:

Indicators (Nonessential)
Indicators, including tokens, markers, and charges are representations of
information about the game or game state for which punchboard is provided in
the relevant ship expansion. Indicators may also be used to represent multiple
tokens or markers, or other open or derived information. They are required for
play, but are considered nonessential components (see page 4).
Indicators are considered nonessential components—their information must
be expressed, but players may use appropriate substitutes. Typically, players
use the tokens, charges, markers, and turret arc indicators included in official
product as indicators. However, players may choose to use other items as
indicators, so long as they do not obscure significant component information,
are resistant to accidental modification, and their purpose of use is clear to
both players. The marshal is responsible for determining the legality of an
indicator and its reasonable usage during a match if objected to by its owner’s
opponent.
The following are types of indicators:
• Tokens: Tokens are circular and square indicators that represent
resources or temporary changes in game state for a single ship. They are
placed in the play area next to the ship they affect.
• Markers: Markers are indicators that represent changes in game state
for a single object or indicate its position. Some are hexagonal, but others
are not. Markers are placed in the play area next to the object they affect.
Shields and Charges: Shields and charges are indicators with two
states: an “active” state and an “inactive” state. These two states must
be differentiable by an opponent across the table.
Shields and charges are
placed next to the specific card to which they pertain. There are two types
of charges: standard charges (󲈮) and Force charges (󲈯).

 

As long as you meet that requirement your good to go. :) A very visible black line on one face of the token to indicated that it is a spent shield, coloring the spent face with red marker, etc. all work. Just needs to be crystal clear which side is which.

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12 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

This might help.

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As long as you meet that requirement your good to go. :) A very visible black line on one face of the token to indicated that it is a spent shield, coloring the spent face with red marker, etc. all work. Just needs to be crystal clear which side is which.

Fair enough. Not as sexy as the new stuff, and not really what they should have done.

I did see that some of the newer conversion kits do have shield tokens. I have not opened those yet, so there's another option. Thanks for the productive reply.

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Just now, drathbun said:

Fair enough. Not as sexy as the new stuff, and not really what they should have done.

I did see that some of the newer conversion kits do have shield tokens. I have not opened those yet, so there's another option. Thanks for the productive reply.

You could also try one of the groups that do Acrylic tokens and templates.

Curled Paw Creatives (Andrew Nuckols's shop) https://www.etsy.com/shop/CurledPawCreatives/items?section_id=18639890

Highbridge Design: https://www.etsy.com/shop/HighbridgeDesign

Litko: https://litko.net/collections/litko-upgrades-compatible-with-star-wars-x-wing-2nd-edition

There is also Burger Tokens who sell token faces that can be applied to penny sized washers or pennies: https://burgertokens.com/

Happy flying. :)

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FWIW, I'm one of those who used red sharpie to color a side on my 1.0 shields and I've been quite happy with them. The new tokens actually seem more petite and I find the chunkyness of the old ones more pleasant to handle. I've also drifted back to using the old ion, stress, cloak, and critical hit tokens. The rule where circle tokens go away at the end of the round and square ones stay system is really nice but seems to work just as well as "circles go, non-circles stay :)"

 

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I originally used an orange sharpie as it didn't make the red too dark.

This can be visually displeasing to some, myself included, as too dark is as bad as no colour.

I eventually went in on a group buy from curled paw to replace my cardboard.

Keep in mind that 2.0 ships don't need as many shields as 1.0 ships did. Large 2.0 ships give you a fair amount of tokens as well. Lando's falcon is one example.

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On 6/6/2019 at 8:45 AM, robert t said:

I originally used an orange sharpie as it didn't make the red too dark.

I was going to suggest this as I have heard that orange sharpie makes the red look better than a red sharpie, although I have never tried it myself. Did you like the way the orange looked compared to red? Was it a good color red when you were done?

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I have sharpies-a-plenty as I bought them a while back when someone posted some awesome pictures of tokens painted on the side. And as you probably expect, I have plenty of 1.0 shield tokens to experiment on in order to get it right. Thanks. :)

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7 hours ago, Force Majeure said:

Also, keep an eye out for a derpy misprinted charge token that has no red side.

I can't remember which kit it shows up in, but if you're not aware, you might inadvertently have "unlimited" charges on one of your upgrades.

First Order Conversion, and there are two of them (I think they were on the "extra" punch out that had the addition FO, Silencer, and Upsilon pilots)

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It was still a dark red as you are colouring over blue.

I coloured the "v" markings around the shield icon as well.

Definitely noticeable beside a shield token but still dark.

I finally went with curled paw as their tokens are amazing.

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