Zrob314 833 Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) So this sparked in my mind off a different topic. I broke down each unit and tried to come up with every combination possible that it could shoot (I did not account for units that have taken wounds, you can do that yourself.) I didn't account for grenades, because that added more variables than I wanted to deal with. Flamethrowers were also hard, but keep in mind that their target will have 1-6 minis so you can calculate accordingly. I did calculate a "perfect" Snowtrooper strike (squad +1 + flamethrower + frags) against a full squad of 6 miniatures. And that strike, when you can pull it off will generate an average of 8.125 hits. Anyway the lists are current through Bossk and Sabine. I haven't done the vet units and the creatures because I didn't think I had enough information to work with yet. Dioxis Charges with Bossk were tricky, they do upfront damage and then damage at the end of the round, but if the target dies before that damage is done then they don't do that damage. Charges from Bossk, Sabine, Sabs and Proton units I only calculated what they would do to each unit they damage rather than cumulative in a round. Anyway, I hope someone finds this useful. 3 Wounds per shot was arbitrarily chosen as the target because of the discussion that spawned this. The point cost was calculated as the minimum expenditure to get that combination and does not account for any other upgrade than the ones being calculated. avg > 3 sharpshooter 1 no cover possible Edited June 3, 2019 by Zrob314 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zrob314 833 Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) Imperial Units and combinations No Cover Light Cover Heavy Cover Points Points/Damage Palpatine Palp 3.75 2.75 1.75 210 56 Vader Vader Melee 4.5 200 44.44 Vader Throw 2.625 1.625 0.625 210 80 Deflect .167 per die 200 Veers Veers Ranged 1.125 1.125 0.125 80 71 Veers Melee 1.25 80 64 Maximum Firepower 3.5 3.5 2.5 80 24.61 Krennic Krennic 1.875 1.875 0.875 90 48 Krennic Melee 0.625 90 90 Imperial Officer Imp Officer 1 1 0 50 50 Officer Melee 0.625 50 50 Boba Fett Boba Carbine 1.25 1.25 140 112 Boba Wrist Rocket 1.25 1.25 140 112 Boba Flame Thrower .875(# of minis in target) 140 26.66 - 140 Boba Z-6 Rocket 2.625 1.625 140 53.33 Boba Melee 1.75 1.75 140 80 Bossk Bossk Ranged 2.375 1.375 0.375 115 48.42 Dioxis Charge* 1.25 (+1) 115 51.11 Bossk Melee 2.5 1.5 115 46 Stormtroopers Troopers 1.5 0.5 0 44 29.33 Troops +1 1.875 0.875 0 55 29.33 Troopers DLT 3.25 2.25 1.25 68 20.92 Troopers HH12 3.375 2.375 1.375 78 23.11 Troop +1 DLT 3.625 2.625 1.625 79 21.79 Troop +1 HH12 3.75 2.75 1.75 89 23.33 Trooper Melee 2.5 44 17.6 Troop Melee +1 3.125 55 17.1 Troop Melee +2 3.75 79 21.06 Snowtroopers Snow 1.5 0.5 0 48 29.33 Snow +1 1.875 0.875 0 60 29.33 Flame Thrower Add 1.5+(.625 per mini in target group) 68 12.95 - 32 Snow Ion 2.875 1.875 0.875 82 28.52 Snow +1 Ion 3.25 2.25 1.25 94 28.92 Snow +1 Flame Add 1.875+(.625 per mini in target group) 80 14.22 - 31.37 Snow Melee 2.5 48 17.6 Snow +1 Melee 3.125 60 17.1 Snow +2 Melee 3.75 80 21.06 Snow Alpha Scout Troopers Imp Sniper 1 1 0 44 44 Sonic Charge 1.25 1.25 1.25 42 33.6 Strike Pistols 2 2 1 42 21 Strike Melee 1 1 1 42 42 Scout Troopers 4 4 3 60 15 Scout Melee 2 2 2 60 30 Scout +1 Melee 2.5 2.5 2.5 86 38.22 Scout +1 Range 5 5 4 86 17.2 IRG IRG 3.75 3.75 75 20 IRG Ranged 3 2 1 75 25 IRG FP 4.75 4.75 100 21.05 IRG FP Ranged 4 3 2 100 25 Death Troopers DT SE-14E 3 2 1 76 25.33 DT SE-14E DTF 4 3 2 98 24.5 DT SE-14E DLT 5.25 4.25 3.25 110 20.95 DT E-11D 2.5 1.5 0.5 76 30.4 DT E-11D DTF 3.5 2.5 1.5 98 28 DT E-11D DLT 4.625 3.625 2.625 110 21.62 DT GL 3.5 3.5 3.5 84 24 DT GL DTF 4.5 4.5 4.5 106 23.55 DT GL DLT 5.625 5.625 5.625 118 20.97 DT FF 2.5 1.5 0.5 84 33.6 DT FF DTF 3.5 2.5 1.5 106 30.28 DT FF DLT 4.625 4.625 3.625 118 25.51 DT Melee 3.5 3.5 3.5 76 21.71 DT +1 Melee 4.375 4.375 4.375 98 22.4 Z9 Speeder Bike Z9 Cannon 1.875 0.875 0 90 48 Z9 Cannon (2) 3.75 2.75 1.75 90 24 Hold Out Blaster 1.25 0.25 0 90 72 Hold Out (2) 2.5 1.5 0.5 90 36 E-Web E-Web 2.875 1.875 0.875 55 19.13 Barrage Gen 3.625 2.625 1.625 65 17.93 OverCharge Gen 3.5 2.5 1.5 65 18.57 Crew Ranged 0.75 0 0 55 Crew Melee 1.25 55 44 AT-ST AT-ST 3 2 1 195 65 AT-ST Melee 3 2 1 195 65 Grenade 1 210 210 Mortar 1.25 0.25 0 205 164 88 Twin 1.5 0.5 0 215 143.33 Chin/Grenade 4.25 210 49.41 Chin/Mortar 3.75 2.75 1.75 205 54.66 Chin/B-88 4.5 3.5 2.5 215 47.77 Grenade/88 2.5 230 92 Sorin 5.5 4.5 3.5 240 43.63 H AT-ST 3.75 2.75 1.75 205 54.66 H AT-ST Melee 3.5 2.5 1.5 205 58.57 H Grenade 1.25 220 176 H Mortar 1.125 0.125 0 215 191.11 H 88 Twin 1.875 0.875 0 225 120 H Chin/Grenade 5 220 44 H Chin/Mortar 4.875 3.875 2.875 215 44.1 H Chin/B-88 5.625 4.625 3.625 225 40 H Grenade/88 3.125 240 76.8 Occupier Tank Quad + DLT 4 3 2 173 43.25 Tank Quad RT97 4 3 2 169 42.25 Tank Quad + MK2 3.75 2.75 1.75 155 41.33 Tank Sorin DLT 5.25 4.25 3.25 183 34.85 Tank Sorin RT97 5.25 4.25 3.25 179 34.09 H Quad + DLT 4.75 3.75 2.75 183 38.52 H Quad RT97 5 4 3 179 39.77 H Quad + MK2 4.5 3.5 2.5 165 55.06 H MK2 + DLT 3.25 2.25 1.25 179 55.07 H MK2 + RT97 3.5 2.5 1.5 183 52.285 Tank DLT 1.5 0.5 0 173 115.33 Tank RT97 1.5 0.5 0 169 112.66 H DLT 1.75 0.75 0 179 102.28 H RT97 2 1 1 183 91.5 Tank Quad 2.5 1.5 0.5 155 62 Tank MK2 1.25 0.25 0 155 124 H Tank Quad 3 2 1 165 55 H Tank MK2 1.5 0.5 0 165 110 57/109 53.3%% 17/109 9.81% 9/109 8.25% Edited June 3, 2019 by Zrob314 2 bllaw and smickletz reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zrob314 833 Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) Rebel Units and combinations No Cover Light Cover Heavy Cover Points Points/Damage Luke Skywalker Luke Pistol 1.75 0.75 0 160 91.42 Anakin's Saber 3.75 160 42.66 Saber Throw 1.875 0.875 0 170 90.66 Deflect .167 per die 160 Leia Leia Pistol 1.875 90 48 Leia Melee 1.875 90 48 Leia Bombard 1.75 90 51.42 Han Solo Han 1.75 1.75 0.75 120 68.57 Han Melee 1.125 1.125 1.125 120 96 Jyn Erso Jyn Melee 2.5 2.5 2.5 130 52 Jyn Pistol 2.5 2.5 1.5 130 52 Jyn Rifle 2 2 1 130 65 Rebel Officer Rebel Officer 1 1 0 50 50 Officer Melee 0.625 50 50 Chewbacca Chewie Melee 3 3 3 110 36.66 Chewie Bowcast 2.5 1.5 0.5 110 44 Sabine Wren Sabine Melee 1.25 1.25 1.25 125 83.33 Darksaber 3.125 2.125 2.125 150 48 Sabine Ranged 1.875 0.875 0 125 66.66 Explosions! 1.25 125 100 Rebel Troopers Troopers 2 1 0 40 20 Troops +1 2.5 1.5 0.5 50 20 Troopers Z6 3.5 2.5 1.5 62 17.71 Troopers Ion 3.5 2.5 1.5 72 20.57 Troop +1 Z6 4 3 2 72 18 Troop +1 Ion 4 3 2 82 20.5 Trooper Melee 2 40 20 Troop Melee +1 2.5 50 20 Troop Melee +2 3 72 24 Fleet Troopers Fleet 3 2 1 44 14.66 Fleet +1 3.75 2.75 1.75 55 15.71 Fleet Scatter 4.75 3.75 2.75 67 14.1 Fleet Barrage 4.375 77 17.6 Fleet +1 Scatter 5.5 4.5 3.5 78 14.18 Fleet +1 Barrage 5.125 88 17.17 Fleet Melee 2 44 22 Fleet +1 Melee 2.5 55 22 Fleet +2 Melee 3 78 26 Commandos Reb Sniper 1 1 0 22 44 Proton Charge 1.625 42 25.84 Strike Ranged 1.25 1.25 0.25 42 33.6 Strike Melee 1.25 42 33.6 Commando 2.5 1.5 0.5 60 24 Commando M 2.5 60 24 Comm +1 Mel 3.125 86 27.52 Comm +1 Range 3.125 3.125 2.125 86 27.52 Wookiee Warriors Wookiee Range 3 2 1 75 25 Wookiee Melee 3.75 75 20 Wook/Bowcaster 4.25 3.25 2.25 110 25.88 Wook/Bow Mele 5 110 22 Pathfinders Pathfinders 2.25 1.25 0.25 68 30.22 Pathfinders M 2.5 68 27.2 Bistan Squad 4 3 2 100 25 Pao Squad 2.75 1.75 0.75 90 32.72 Path +1 M 3.125 90 28.8 300 Short 3.5 2.5 1.5 74 21.14 300 Long 1.5 0.5 0 74 49.33 300 Short Bis 5.625 4.625 3.625 106 18.84 300 Long Bis 3.625 2.625 1.625 106 29.24 300 Short Poa 4.75 3.75 2.75 96 20.21 300 Long Pao 2.75 1.75 0.75 96 34.9 AT-RT AT-RT Pilot 0.75 0 0 55 55 AT-RT Melee 1.75 55 31.42 AT-RT Rotary 3.125 2.125 1.125 85 27.2 AT-RT Laser 2.75 1.75 0.75 90 32.72 AT-RT Flame 1.25 - 7.5 80 10.66 - 64 1.4 FD Cannon 1.4FD Crew 1.5 0.5 0 70 46.66 1.4FD Crew M 1.25 70 65 1.4FD 3.125 2.125 1.125 70 22.4 1.4FD Barrage 3.875 2.875 1.875 80 20.64 1.4FD Overchar 3.75 2.75 1.75 80 21.33 T-47 T-47 3.75 2.75 1.75 175 46.66 Ground Buzzer 2 1 0 195 97.5 Harpoon 0.75 0 0 183 183 X-34 X34 Pilot 0.75 0 0 75 75 X34 Rocket 1.875 0.875 0 111 59.2 X34 Gunner 0.75 0 0 84 84 Mk II 2.5 1.5 0.5 109 43.6 M-45 Ion 2.125 1.125 0.125 113 43.04 Pilot Rocket 2.625 1.625 0.625 111 42.28 Pilot Gunner 1.5 0.5 0.5 84 56 Pilot Mk II 3.25 2.25 0.25 109 31.14 Pilot Ion 2.875 1.875 0.875 113 39.3 Rocket Gunner 2.625 1.625 0.625 120 45.71 Rocket Mk II 4.375 3.375 2.375 145 33.14 Rocket Ion 4 3 2 149 37.25 Gunner Mk II 3.25 2.25 1.25 118 36.3 Gunner Ion 2.875 1.875 0.875 122 42.43 Pilot/Gun/Rock 3.375 2.375 1.375 120 35.55 Pilot/Gun/MK 4 3 2 118 29.5 Pilot/Gun/Ion 4.375 3.375 2.375 122 27.88 Pilot/Rocket/MK 5.125 4.125 3.125 145 28.29 Pilot/Rocket/Ion 4.75 3.75 2.75 149 31.36 Gun Rocket MK 4 3 2 154 38.5 Gun Rocket Ion 4.375 3.375 2.375 158 36.11 41/94 43.61% 17/94 18% 3/94 3.19% Edited June 6, 2019 by Zrob314 2 smickletz and bllaw reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naitsirk 205 Posted June 3, 2019 Is vader expected damage 5.25 in melee? 4.5 seems more accurate to me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zrob314 833 Posted June 3, 2019 15 hours ago, naitsirk said: Is vader expected damage 5.25 in melee? 4.5 seems more accurate to me You're right, I calculated with surge numbers. Thanks for the correction. He was actually one of the later ones that I did, my head was a bit swimmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaevenKS 111 Posted June 4, 2019 Can you explain a bit what is the important value to remember? Like, DLT St are good as ****, or the most consistent, and that AT-RT flamer may be the best unit to damage/cost? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naitsirk 205 Posted June 4, 2019 16 hours ago, Zrob314 said: You're right, I calculated with surge numbers. Thanks for the correction. He was actually one of the later ones that I did, my head was a bit swimmy I hope soon the dark lord will have 5.25 expected damage! They was so shy when making his numbers: if you will pay 200 for a unit that only have impact in the later game (3 attacks at best) be sure this will be strong enough! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lologrelol 488 Posted June 8, 2019 You also forgot to take into account Bobba's arsenal 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zrob314 833 Posted June 9, 2019 19 hours ago, lologrelol said: You also forgot to take into account Boba's arsenal 2 It's additive. So you can take any two values and put them together. When we get new units and I update this I'll put the combinations on Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fithian_Rankin 13 Posted June 9, 2019 This is fantastic! What a great resource. Thanks for crunching these numbers. 1 Zrob314 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
