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Torkil Mux vs Heightened Perception?

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It's the same effect as Torkil Mux vs Roark Garnet. Roark (and HP) don't change the ship's printed Init value, it changed at what Init they engage in. So Torkil Mux doesn't work against HP and Roark's boosted ship.

 

Torkil works against Swarm Tactics though, and that's based on player order, because Swarm Tactics actually changes the ship's Init for the round.

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15 minutes ago, MegaSilver said:

It's the same effect as Torkil Mux vs Roark Garnet. Roark (and HP) don't change the ship's printed Init value, it changed at what Init they engage in. So Torkil Mux doesn't work against HP and Roark's boosted ship.

 

Torkil works against Swarm Tactics though, and that's based on player order, because Swarm Tactics actually changes the ship's Init for the round.

Torkil doesn't change the init value either.

At the start of the Engagement Phase, you may choose 1 ship in your firing arc. If you do, that ship engages at initiative 0 instead of its normal initiative value this round.

Player order applies and Mux wants to be second player. From ability queue

"If both players have abilities that triggered from the same event, the abilities are added to the ability queue in player order."

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5 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

Torkil doesn't change the init value either.

At the start of the Engagement Phase, you may choose 1 ship in your firing arc. If you do, that ship engages at initiative 0 instead of its normal initiative value this round.

Player order applies and Mux wants to be second player. From ability queue

"If both players have abilities that triggered from the same event, the abilities are added to the ability queue in player order."

I'll do you one better.. or rather, add support to this..

Pg 12- Initiative

 

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If several abilities alter the initiative of a ship, only the most recent ability is applied.

So yes. Torkil wants to trigger his ability last, and it will override HP and Roark.

 

6 hours ago, MegaSilver said:

So Torkil Mux doesn't work against HP and Roark's boosted ship.

This makes no sense. Torkil and Roark are direct counters to each other. Of course their ability's can override each others. It just depends on who is the 2nd player.

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Torkil is actually worded slightly better than Roark. 

 

Torkil "that ship engages.." , "normal initiative" , "this round"

Roark "it engages" , "standard initiative" , "this phase"

 

Both say the same thing, but i think Torkil is more inline with proper mechanical phrasing for the game then Roark is. 

 

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6 hours ago, DarthDarxide said:

Another question regarding most of the HWK-290 pilots. When it says”in your firing arc”, is that 0-3 or 1-3? The question came up during a game.

That's R0-3, but that doesn't include itself (unlike a lot of things that work for R0) as no ship can be in its own arc.

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