Padme's *what* initiative?!

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6 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

 I don't get the critique of Padme's IN since there's so many perspectives flying in from every angle

but the so called "hand-wave" argument is incredibly relevant. FFG explicitly stated that Initiative != pilot skill, SPECIFICALLY because silly arguments like this would occasionally break out. It's an ambiguous gameplay stat, why are we giving it such fluff importance? 

 

Now I'm definitely not singling out the OP here, because this was certainly tongue-in-cheek, but I've seen some ridiculous vitriol on facebook groups about Padme's initiative (and her being a pilot in the first place). It's kinda disturbing how invested people can be in a supposed "contradiction" to what they feel is canon, especially when it's something as vague and ambiguous as "initiative" 

Besides, regardless how one feels about the character and the movies, she was clearly shown to be a badass in episodes 1 & 2. So...who cares if she's I 4!?

Yeah, a lot of people are **icks, that's for sure.  Personally I don't care at all, but I do like discussing it

I don't really buy that whole "initiative isn't pilot skill" thing, I feel like that actually is an example of developer hand waving to conceal a case of gameplay legitimately trumping fluff, ie for balance they had to make some fluffily great pilots a lower initiative.  I think it's easier to justify in that direction - it's easy enough to say "this pilots's great but their style is they move first rather than reacting to their opponent's move" or some other exception to the general rule (and it *is* a general rule, just as with 1st edition PS high Initiative massively correlates with fluffily better pilot) but I think it's harder to justify the other way.

Having a high Initiative gives a pilot the ability to react to another pilots actions, which can be fluffily explained as either they predict the opponents actions, or their reactions are just incredibly quick, but how do you explain a non-magic non-expert pilot having either ability?  I don't see any canon evidence to support Padmé being magic or an expert pilot, indeed I see canon evidence that she was a fighter pilot noob, albeit a natural. 

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5 hours ago, Maui. said:

People think Padme shouldn't be an N-1 pilot...?

This is incredible news. It means there's actually a group of people out there who have successfully erased Episode II from their memory. HOW CAN I BECOME ONE OF YOU

I don't remember Padmé flying an N1 in Ep 2.  I thought the first time we saw that was in Forces of Destiny?

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1 minute ago, mazz0 said:

I don't remember Padmé flying an N1 in Ep 2.  I thought the first time we saw that was in Forces of Destiny?

Literally in the opening scene...

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41 minutes ago, DR4CO said:

You are entirely correct.

Luminara exists, people.

And juke!

Piss people off when they roll a focus on defense

 

[ficklegreendice 34,362]

42 minutes ago, DR4CO said:

 

Padme should've only allowed one post at a time...

 

 

Edited May 22, 2019 by ficklegreendice

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2 minutes ago, DR4CO said:

Literally in the opening scene...

Oooooooh - right! I never put that together before!  Doh!

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Just supposing she was a really good pilot - does that mean that after being elected she spent half her time training as a fighter pilot, or that only kick **** fighter pilots get elected?  Jeez, Naboo politics just gets sillier and sillier doesn't it?  No wonder they spawned the Emperor and Senator Binks.

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1 minute ago, mazz0 said:

Oooooooh - right! I never put that together before!  Doh!

The further assumption being that, generally speaking - a Royal Escort would be some of the best pilots you have.

So she was able to either fake it well enough to be convincingly one of the Best to any outside observer...  Or competently so.

We don't have the whole story of what got her to that point - just snippets here and there...  So I immediately dismiss any "conclusions" one way or the other as conjecture, given the evidence we have.

Its possible.

Either way.

Its possible.

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see, we're talking about a character from the prequels

I have no idea what kind of training you're expecting Padme to do to "justify" I 4

******* Anakin sat in a ship he didn't have the faintest idea of how to fly and he won the day

Similarly, a 16 year old girl led a firefight with a tiny pistol and bulldozed her way into the Viceroy's throne-room

 

it's just how these things work 

[KCDodger 11,041]

7 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

 I don't get the critique of Padme's IN since there's so many perspectives flying in from every angle

but the so called "hand-wave" argument is incredibly relevant. FFG explicitly stated that Initiative != pilot skill, SPECIFICALLY because silly arguments like this would occasionally break out. It's an ambiguous gameplay stat, why are we giving it such fluff importance? 

 

Now I'm definitely not singling out the OP here, because this was certainly tongue-in-cheek, but I've seen some ridiculous vitriol on facebook groups about Padme's initiative (and her being a pilot in the first place). It's kinda disturbing how invested people can be in a supposed "contradiction" to what they feel is canon, especially when it's something as vague and ambiguous as "initiative" 

Besides, regardless how one feels about the character and the movies, she was clearly shown to be a badass in episodes 1 & 2. So...who cares if she's I 4!?

People who don't like women doing anything, I'd wager.

Imagine if Ciena Ree got added and she was as good as Turr or even Soontir.

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29 minutes ago, mazz0 said:

I don't remember Padmé flying an N1 in Ep 2.  I thought the first time we saw that was in Forces of Destiny?

The one you see in FoD is her personal N1. 

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1 minute ago, MegaSilver said:

The one you see in FoD is her personal N1. 

Which WILL be getting a repaint from me..!

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1 minute ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Imagine if Ciena Ree got added and she was as good as Turr or even Soontir.

I'm actually kind of surprised she didn't get Turr's spot, as his ability would actually be a pretty good thematic match with her crew ability.

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6 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

see, we're talking about a character from the prequels

I have no idea what kind of training you're expecting Padme to do to "justify" I 4

******* Anakin sat in a ship he didn't have the faintest idea of how to fly and he won the day

Similarly, a 16 year old girl led a firefight with a tiny pistol and bulldozed her way into the Viceroy's throne-room

 

it's just how these things work 

Like I said, magic!

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1 minute ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Which WILL be getting a repaint from me..!

Same!

Theres also pics out there of a blue NX1 and black N1 used by the royal guards or some such, going to repaint one into one of those. 

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2 minutes ago, DR4CO said:

 

I'm actually kind of surprised she didn't get Turr's spot, as his ability would actually be a pretty good thematic match with her crew ability.

Perhaps in a rerelease..! She deserves to fly her Starfighter, dammit.

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1 minute ago, MegaSilver said:

Same!

Theres also pics out there of a blue NX1 and black N1 used by the royal guards or some such, going to repaint one into one of those. 

Oh man I remember the NX1. It was so bad. But it looked so cool! I miss Battle For Naboo. What a decent game.

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5 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

People who don't like women doing anything, I'd wager.

Woah, chillax dude!  It's a bit of a leap to go from me saying "how come this career politician is a better pilot than a Jedi" to calling me sexist!  Especially when the Jedi in question is a girl.

3 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Which WILL be getting a repaint from me..!

Aye, has to be done I reckon.  I still want to get them properly chromed.  You gonna chop off the astromech on Padmé's?  She doesn't have one in the ship in Forces of Destiny.  As far as I know she doesn't own one but she could easily take R2 with her.

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let's be real guys, Padme must be at least a little force sensitive (especially going by her ability)

proof:


 

completely untrained and unconditioned 16 year old upper-body strength? not buying it
 

standing smack dab in the front and middle of the formation, being the first ****** target beside the two jedi, and not giving a ****
 

and she can see the future

and Jedi mind trick

 

Edited May 22, 2019 by ficklegreendice

[mazz0 2,910]

Speaking of Padmé dangling from things - when she jumped off the pillar to kick the Nexu, IRL would that have dislocated her arms?

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23 hours ago, mazz0 said:

Ahskoka is the one who taught Padmé combat flying in the first place!

"Luke, we are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters." - Yoda

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3 hours ago, mazz0 said:

Woah, chillax dude!  It's a bit of a leap to go from me saying "how come this career politician is a better pilot than a Jedi" to calling me sexist!  Especially when the Jedi in question is a girl.

Aye, has to be done I reckon.  I still want to get them properly chromed.  You gonna chop off the astromech on Padmé's?  She doesn't have one in the ship in Forces of Destiny.  As far as I know she doesn't own one but she could easily take R2 with her.

Whoa, wasn't necessarily calling you such, but there are more extreme folks who I would- you're fine, sorry my dude!

Also hold on, she had R2, it was Ahsoka who didn't have one.

 

2 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

let's be real guys, Padme must be at least a little force sensitive (especially going by her ability)

proof:


 

completely untrained and unconditioned 16 year old upper-body strength? not buying it
 

standing smack dab in the front and middle of the formation, being the first ****** target beside the two jedi, and not giving a ****
 

and she can see the future

and Jedi mind trick

 

Some recent material has revealed Padme and the handmaidens were actually pretty well conditioned.

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1 minute ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Some recent material has revealed Padme and the handmaidens were actually pretty well conditioned.

Had to be since the smoke and mirror game they played to keep her alive required all parts of it to be capable in each of the roles.

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4 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Whoa, wasn't necessarily calling you such, but there are more extreme folks who I would- you're fine, sorry my dude!

Also hold on, she had R2, it was Ahsoka who didn't have one.

 

Some recent material has revealed Padme and the handmaidens were actually pretty well conditioned.

No worries

<rewatches> Oh yeah!  So, repaint one chrome and chop the astromech off another.  That's what I'll be doing I reckon.  Already relocated the astromech on a few Aethersprites to turn them into 7Bs.

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4 hours ago, Hiemfire said:

Had to be since the smoke and mirror game they played to keep her alive required all parts of it to be capable in each of the roles.

So basically, peace loving Naboo  with its democratically elected teenage queens, had a ruler training regime reminiscent of a militaristic Ancient Greek city state.  That place is messed up.