Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, penpenpen said:

Actually, it sounds like the entire problem.

This is exactly the problem. Also might be them trying to squick out other players. Which is exceedingly annoying and anti social. rather than ban zeltron I would lay ground rules about what kind of behavior is unacceptable and eject them at the game for bad behavior.

Edited by Daeglan

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

This is exactly the problem. Also might be them trying to squick out other players. Which is exceedingly annoying and anti social. rather than ban zentron I would lay ground rules about what kind of behavior is unacceptable and eject them at the game for bad behavior.

I don't really like the idea of them though to be perfectly honest. I can't shake the feeling that someone was watching an episode of Star Trek and came up with these one-trick ponies. They smack of a seduction dance sequence aimed at Captain Kirk. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Archlyte said:

I don't really like the idea of them though to be perfectly honest. I can't shake the feeling that someone was watching an episode of Star Trek and came up with these one-trick ponies. They smack of a seduction dance sequence aimed at Captain Kirk. 

Oddly enough, Star Trek had the Deltans, an empathic species with pheromones and a whole culture of expression through sex, yet that species also routinely took on vows of celibacy when interacting with other species of the Federation in order to avoid the spank factor.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, Daeglan said:

Probably an excuse to have scantily clad girls in comics.

Actually, the main ones featured in the old Marvel Star Wars comics were scantily clad men. There's an argument to be made that all spandex-clad superheroes are eroticism of some sort (for men, for women, for men who like men, etc.), but to be up front with male beefcake in the early 80s was kind of unheard of at the time. Dark Horse were the ones who made most of them women in crop-tops and bikinis.

zeltron_bahb.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
40 minutes ago, SavageBob said:

 There's an argument to be made that all spandex-clad superheroes are eroticism of some sort (for men, for women, for men who like men, etc.), but to be up front with male beefcake in the early 80s was kind of unheard of at the time.

There's a vast difference in HOW male and female superheroes are generally depicted, though. Usually, men are shown as dominant and powerful; they're the ones in control of their sexiness. Women are shown in submissive or openly sexual poses directed at the reader (as opposed to being sexy for their own benefit, the way men are depicted). Just consider the way female supers tend to have both their posterior and face turned to the reader at the same time on covers.

Explained much better, and in more depth here by a director and comics writer who knows their stuff:

https://twitter.com/alexdecampi/status/1086108571669012480

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

There's a vast difference in HOW male and female superheroes are generally depicted, though. Usually, men are shown as dominant and powerful; they're the ones in control of their sexiness. Women are shown in submissive or openly sexual poses directed at the reader (as opposed to being sexy for their own benefit, the way men are depicted). Just consider the way female supers tend to have both their posterior and face turned to the reader at the same time on covers.

Explained much better, and in more depth here by a director and comics writer who knows their stuff:

https://twitter.com/alexdecampi/status/1086108571669012480

 

No argument here. My point was more that the male Zeltrons in Marvel Star Wars were unusual in that they were dressed in those sexualized outfits and put in those sexualized poses that were generally reserved for female characters. In other words, Marvel may have given us our first Star Wars characters designed to titillate women and gay male readers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)
8 hours ago, SavageBob said:

Actually, the main ones featured in the old Marvel Star Wars comics were scantily clad men. There's an argument to be made that all spandex-clad superheroes are eroticism of some sort (for men, for women, for men who like men, etc.), but to be up front with male beefcake in the early 80s was kind of unheard of at the time. Dark Horse were the ones who made most of them women in crop-tops and bikinis.

zeltron_bahb.jpg

That picture kind of says it all. Regardless of the gender, this kind of thing just doesn't feel like the setting to me. I get it, you gotta make comics so you can sell them, and coming up with stuff that aligns with the setting is really hard and requires caution, but this is really like path of least responsibility storytelling in the setting. There is a lot of bad Star Wars stuff out there from the days when oversight was low and a profit was assured to anyone who could get a chop from Lucas and put the logo on their product. 

Edited by Archlyte

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

What's the big difference between this and Leia in a metal bikini, though?

That one is aimed at the straight, male gaze, and the other is aimed at a different gaze. :)

To Archelyte's complaint, Stan makes a good point. Sexualized characters have been part of the franchise since at least ROTJ. Don't forget Oola was in that one, too. But, yeah — when a player creates a character to basically be a walking playmate, the GM is within their rights to say no thanks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, SavageBob said:

That one is aimed at the straight, male gaze, and the other is aimed at a different gaze. :)

To Archelyte's complaint, Stan makes a good point. Sexualized characters have been part of the franchise since at least ROTJ. Don't forget Oola was in that one, too. But, yeah — when a player creates a character to basically be a walking playmate, the GM is within their rights to say no thanks.

And Oola even had a "wardrobe malfunction" too.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
42 minutes ago, SavageBob said:
3 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

 

That one is aimed at the straight, male gaze, and the other is aimed at a different gaze. :)

To be fair,  by virtue of her circumstances and her personality, her outfit is clearly meant to be demeaning to her. The dudes in that comic image seem to be ready to party.

That the attractive young woman (who is one of only three or so female characters with speaking roles in the whole OT) is the only prominent character to be put on display for the audience like that is a whole other can of worms.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
56 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

To be fair,  by virtue of her circumstances and her personality, her outfit is clearly meant to be demeaning to her. The dudes in that comic image seem to be ready to party.

That the attractive young woman (who is one of only three or so female characters with speaking roles in the whole OT) is the only prominent character to be put on display for the audience like that is a whole other can of worms.

On the other hand she killed the person who did so. As Carey Fisher said

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 5/22/2019 at 9:24 PM, Daeglan said:

This is exactly the problem. Also might be them trying to squick out other players. Which is exceedingly annoying and anti social. rather than ban zeltron I would lay ground rules about what kind of behavior is unacceptable and eject them at the game for bad behavior.

Exactly.

Besides, while Zeltrons might be among the low-hanging fruit in terms of that sort of character, there's other species that very easily fall into a similar category, those being female Twi'leks (the first ones we see are scantily-clad dancers), female Togruta (the Rule 34 crowd has apparently had a field day with Ahsoka from what little I've seen), and Falleen (who emit what amounts to date-**** pheromones, which is pretty dark stuff for a space opera setting).

Heck, any species could be used for that sort of character type; a friend of mine has some tales that are equal parts cringe-worthy and darkly funny about a male Devaronian Scoundrel that was essentially the Star Wars version of Doctor Who's jack Harkness (sans the immortality) that would make Lando either blush, hang his head in shame, or both.  And another chap I knew through a few different RPG forums had a Wookiee gigolo as a PC who showed up in a few different systems (I don't think the character ever made it to the FFG system) and was apparently very successful at his chosen career path.

So it's less that Zeltrons are themselves a problem; I've seen a few Zeltron PCs in various games I've played in and run, and the only one of them that was essentially a scantily-clad libido on legs was due to the player wanting to be "edgy" and "shocking" in an effort to freak out the other players, and the GM very quickly told that player to either play a real character instead of a cheap caricature that nobody at the table wanted to deal with or he could find a different group to game with (he made a different character that while comic relief did so in a way that was actually entertaining and not the least bit creepy).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 hours ago, Black_Rabbit_Inle said:

I've always liked Selkath..  I can't really explain why.  Maybe I just feel bad about walking through that base and slaughtering them all.. (It was an accident, I swear.)

Same here... when I first saw a glimpse of a screenshot of an Abednedo, I was hoping they were actually Selkath, but after a double take noticed that they didn't quite resemble each other. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...