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5 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

just block han, and bring a lot of arcs, and/or split your arcs at all times to cover all the possible places he could go.

E.
Z.

 

Edit:

OH! or just always have seismic charges! We all know every list can bring those! Just do that.

E.

Z

So piss on a grease fire...

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Just now, GreenDragoon said:

I mean... it is the best way to deal with it? That's still horrible and won't work in any reliable way, but it's still the best of many bad ideas?

I mean, technically yes; but as you said, that's not a "real" solution, nor particularly descriptive.

None of us would tell someone to spam bring seismics and just hope it works out during swiss.

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188 Pts, how much is the ideal bid? 

Fenn Rau — Fang Fighter 68
Fearless 3
Ship Total: 71
Half Points: 36 Threshold: 2
   
Han Solo (Scum) — Customized YT-1300 Light Freighter 54
Trick Shot 2
Inertial Dampeners 1
Ship Total: 57
Half Points: 29 Threshold: 6
   
Palob Godalhi — HWK-290 Light Freighter 40
Trick Shot 2
Moldy Crow 18
Ship Total: 60
Half Points: 30 Threshold: 3

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Just now, Boom Owl said:

188 Pts, how much is the ideal bid? 

Fenn Rau — Fang Fighter 68
Fearless 3
Ship Total: 71
Half Points: 36 Threshold: 2
   
Han Solo (Scum) — Customized YT-1300 Light Freighter 54
Trick Shot 2
Inertial Dampeners 1
Ship Total: 57
Half Points: 29 Threshold: 6
   
Palob Godalhi — HWK-290 Light Freighter 40
Trick Shot 2
Moldy Crow 18
Ship Total: 60
Half Points: 30 Threshold: 3

Right now, I doubt people would try and cut the han list to deepen thebid, so probably good enough?

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3 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

188 Pts, how much is the ideal bid? 

IMO Han can go down to 138 (cut the title), and Jake can also drop some points.

Because a 20pt bid means your Han actually increased to 158, and nobody will ever move after you. So...

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5 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

188 Pts, how much is the ideal bid? 

Fenn Rau — Fang Fighter 68
Fearless 3
Ship Total: 71
Half Points: 36 Threshold: 2
   
Han Solo (Scum) — Customized YT-1300 Light Freighter 54
Trick Shot 2
Inertial Dampeners 1
Ship Total: 57
Half Points: 29 Threshold: 6
   
Palob Godalhi — HWK-290 Light Freighter 40
Trick Shot 2
Moldy Crow 18
Ship Total: 60
Half Points: 30 Threshold: 3

Toss Greedo on Han? He's I6 so Greedo's charge will most likely be spent before Han gets shot at.

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1 hour ago, gennataos said:

I found Triple Upsilon threads infinitely more useful when people talked less about "NERF!" and more about how to counter them.  A couple people have done that in this thread, for which I'm grateful.

And then they got nerfed (correctly) so what was ultimately more useful?

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1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:

IMO Han can go down to 138 (cut the title), and Jake can also drop some points.

Because a 20pt bid means your Han actually increased to 158, and nobody will ever move after you. So...

****... There goes adding Greedo to try and ensure crits when damage does get through.

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3 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

IMO Han can go down to 138 (cut the title), and Jake can also drop some points.

Because a 20pt bid means your Han actually increased to 158, and nobody will ever move after you. So...

Is luke gunner even necessary? 

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Just now, Boom Owl said:

Is luke gunner even necessary? 

No but the force is nice to have. Which together with the action is much better than the title, I'd say.

Who will underbid 20pts and can still compete with the rest?

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1 minute ago, Boom Owl said:

Is luke gunner even necessary? 

No, but it's better than not being there or being something else.  Han is a points fortress so the points are safe on him, and the ability to swizz your arc around fits nicely with the inertial dampeners as it helps you track your target even if you have to spontaneously change your expected position relative to the opponent.

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1 minute ago, gennataos said:

I don’t know if general community outcry has any influence on nerfs. 

 

Just now, TheCeilican said:

At this point I think it's clear it does.

I'm not sure it's the outcry-part. But highlighting problems, bringing them to FFGs attention and - calmly - explaining why it's a problem might (or should, one can dream...)

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Just now, GreenDragoon said:

 

I'm not sure it's the outcry-part. But highlighting problems, bringing them to FFGs attention and - calmly - explaining why it's a problem might (or should, one can dream...)

Maybe, but lying down on the floor and throwing a tantrum has a better proven record of success.

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4 hours ago, Gilarius said:

Vs 43 phantoms in the top cut (this time)? And that's after they were nerfed!

FAt Han might need looking at; Juke Phantoms definitely need looking at again! My personal fix for Juke drops it to 1pt but spends the evade to use it, but that would mean changing the words so it won't happen.

I'd also change the Kanan/ID interaction so the stress is applied after Kanan's window.

 

The problem is more the R2/ID interaction. ID doesn't have charges, likely because it's assumed your shields will act as the charges. When you get them back for free, ID becomes very problematic. Like, even if you"fix" the Kanan/ID interaction, he can still stop as much as he wants and gets passive actions from pilot ability, Luke and force. "Oh no, I'm triple stressed! All I can do is rotate my arc, reroll anything I don't like, modify focus results and regenerate shields! Debilitated I am!"

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