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Wild Clone War Ship Speculation!

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I know some are not interested in the Clone Wars, and others are only interested if they can use them with their current fleets but this is for those who are excited about Clone Wars era ships being given their due and what we can expect! I could ramble on defending Clone Wars era aesthetics of military (I can not defend those movies) or how having some more factions makes miniature games often stronger (but too many leads to issues) both financially for the company and growth in player base and ideas, but I want to instead just speculate on what we might/should see.

First some numbers, because I like numbers. Empire has 8 unique ships right now, rumored to have 10 by the end of the year. Rebels have 10 unique ships and will have 11 by the end of the year.

So what ships are in the Prequel movies (I may miss a couple, especially in the Republic Navy)?

Confederacy of Independent Systems Navy: Lucrehulk, Providence-class, Recuscent-class, Munificent-class, Diamond-class (background shots during Battle of Geonosis, also called Commerce Guild Starship), C-9979 Landing Craft and Hardcell-class Transport. Giving us 7 ships, with one of them being huge! That Lucrehulk has the diameter of the SSD FFG will be putting out... someday.

Republic Navy: Venator, Acclamator, ISD, Pelta and Consular-class. 5 ships.

Well there have been two cartoon shows set during this period, but we'll ignore Tartatovsky's since Disney seems to be doing that as well for the most part. This adds quite a lot but I think certain ones stand out more than others.

CIS: Class Type B (will need a better name), Subjugator-class (has problem of also being around the size of the SSD), Umbaran Support Ship (could also use a better name) and the Trident Class Assault Ship.

Republic Navy: Arquitens and Paladin-class are the real standouts from the cartoon show. Though CR-90 also makes an appearance.

From books and video games is where we get some more old classics added in with the possibility of Victory Star Destroyer for the Republic, and others that are mostly still in Legends, though that hasn't stopped FFG in the past.

Honorable mention of the Dreadnaught and Gozanti because it seems according to Wookieepedia that everyone used those, because why not. By everyone I mean CIS, Republic Navy, Empire and Rebels.

 

So looking over all this the ones I think are likely and/or ones I want to see are:

CIS: Providence-class, Recuscent-class, Munificent-class, Diamond-class, Umbaran Support Ship, Trident Class Assault Ship. I am torn between the C-9979 and the Class Type B as being the Gozanti/G-75 for the CIS.

Lucrehulk is just too big for the game, though the command/battle sphere alone is possible. Also Lucrehulk and/or the Subjugator rely heavily on the SSD selling very well and for Clone Wars era to sell very well. The problem is this list is only 7 ships (8 with just the Lucrehulk sphere). Two of them are flotillas, the Trident Class being an attack flotilla and then dealers choice on the C-9979 or Class Type B as the support flotilla.

Republic Navy: Venator, Acclamator, Arquitens, Pelta, Paladin-class, Consular-class...

After that I think a Victory or ISD might be likely. Perhaps the Gozanti or CR-90... You see the interesting problem here. The Republic Navy quickly becomes this faction with four or five fresh sculpts and the rest are just repaints with new upgrade cards for ships that the molds already exist. This is great for FFG because that is probably four or more molds they can reuse and not have to pay for new molds which is one of the most expensive parts of making plastic minis. I mean you could end up having this faction quickly become very much a hodge podge of ships from factions that exist plus the four or five new ones. What will be their support flotilla? The Consular-class is a possibility but there are combat versions of it, but it could be trusty G-75s or Gozanti.

Anyways, I've been thinking about this. I am sure many people who are much more knowledgeable about this either from a game perspective or their encyclopedic knowledge of the Prequels have thoughts about how and where this could go. How can we get these two navies to the same number of ships as the Empire will have by the end of this year, which hopefully is 10. We're aiming for 10. And the Subjugator and Lucrehulk can't really be counted unless they make theLucrehulk only the diameter of an ISD which is really shrinking that thing and/or the Subjugator a kilometer shorter than it is. Also can you imagine a Subjugator on the field? How many blue dice do those side arcs have? I mean the answer is “All, all of the blue dice”, but really how many is that? Also the side arc has range but its all ion. Its a Red die of range but with what are typically seen as blue dice effects.

The other question is, I think they will do a new starter box, probably like they are for Legion, so what should the forces in that box be? What would grab peoples attention right away? Same format as Imperial vs. Rebel of one medium vs. two smalls? Both of these factions iconic ships are medium or large I feel. Discuss.

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42 minutes ago, Grujav said:

How can we get these two navies to the same number of ships as the Empire will have by the end of this year, which hopefully is 10.

I was wondering the same thing so I made a post in the past listing all canon ships for both of those factions and the CIS really seems to struggle here.

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18 minutes ago, LordCola said:

I was wondering the same thing so I made a post in the past listing all canon ships for both of those factions and the CIS really seems to struggle here.

Ah! I missed that while I was scrolling around. Your post is much nicer laid out that my ramblings. 

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1 hour ago, Grujav said:

Class Type B

It’s an extended Neimoidian shuttle.  A squadron base would be reasonable.

It’s worth noting Separatist Gozantis were seen in TCW being escorted by Munificents.  Just if you’re wondering about where they were shown.  And don’t forget the stealth ship.  A unique ship card would seem appropriate. 🙂

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11 minutes ago, TheBigLev said:

You cannot have a fleshed out CIS fleet without the Lucrehulk. It is iconic and one of the first ships you see when watching Star Wars in sequential order. It will definitely be made.

Curious to see if they'll release one model with a card representing the "battleship" variant and a card representing the "droid control" variant, or if they will be two separate expasions. The differences between the two model wise are far more substantial in my personal opinion than the difference between an ISD-I and an ISD-II, warranting two separate packs. However, I can see why they'd opt against this. 

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13 minutes ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

Curious to see if they'll release one model with a card representing the "battleship" variant and a card representing the "droid control" variant, or if they will be two separate expasions. The differences between the two model wise are far more substantial in my personal opinion than the difference between an ISD-I and an ISD-II, warranting two separate packs. However, I can see why they'd opt against this. 

 

Yah while they do look quite different, I don't know that we would be so lucky as to get two models! Cross your fingers!

I really love the idea of customizing a CIS fleet to be a holdout remnant active during the GCW. 

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I personally would believe if we were only to get one model we would get the battleship variant for two reasons. Firstly, these were seen large-scale at the Battle of Coruscant whereas the control-ship has had much more “limited” appearances in CW lore. Secondly, it would require a less complex model to simply do the battleship variant. Thirdly, FFG tends to like to keep their models in the same general paint schemes, and as the Seps are blue, gray, and white, I doubt they would go with the more uniformly gray control-ship. 

 

Just my my two cents.

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What great news! I'm really stoked.

I'm guessing they will find a way for the Lucrehulk being something like the huge ship SSD style. 

My real hope and plea is FFG please give us Dreadnought Heavy Cruisers or at least the Imp Support ship.

In either era does anyone think we will get these?

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32 minutes ago, jbc98k said:

What great news! I'm really stoked.

I'm guessing they will find a way for the Lucrehulk being something like the huge ship SSD style. 

My real hope and plea is FFG please give us Dreadnought Heavy Cruisers or at least the Imp Support ship.

In either era does anyone think we will get these?

They announced two more ships before going clone wars, one per side. Dreadnought and Dornean Gunship seems a good guess as the Dreadnought (or Imperial Support Ship) was in Rebels and the Gunship was in Rogue One, so both are canon and kind of „Approved by Disney“.

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2 hours ago, TheBigLev said:
I really love the idea of customizing a CIS fleet to be a holdout remnant active during the GCW. 

There is precedent for this. Despite the Emperor telling Vader to deactivate all droids in ep3 there were clearly bands of droids still active, as seen in the Rebels cartoon. And that’s canon.

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