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Def need to see these probes in action

The timing of their launch (end phase) and movement (system) is ideal, but do they create enough distance to allow for LRS type locks?

Idk never seen em used before.

Probe Droids?

(26) Techno Union Bomber [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
(5) DRK-1 Probe Droids
(1) Landing Struts
Points: 37

(30) DBS-404 [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
(1) Landing Struts
Points: 36

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
Points: 24

(42) Wat Tambor [Belbullab-22 Starfighter]
(5) TA-175
(6) Soulless One
(1) Crack Shot
Points: 54

Total points: 199

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Posted (edited)

IMO Hyenas need some synergy to be better than Vulture. You can't just throw ESC on Hyena. Different Hyenas need different upgrades.

For example:

 

Techno Union/Separatist Bomber: Ion Torpedoes + Discord Missiles + Landing Struts = 37/40 points

Buzz Droids can be really good with Ion mechanic.

 

Baktoids: Homing Missiles + Landing Struts = 34 points

Homing Missiles + Discord Missiles + Landing Struts = 38 points

Homing Missiles + Discord Missiles + FCS + Landing Struts = 40 points

ESC + FCS = 35points

You don't have to TL yourself enemy ship to fire Homings and you can reload them.

 

DBS 404: APT + Probe Droids = 41 points

As for now I think 404 is the best Hyena to carry Probe Droids, but need to test it.

 

Bombardment Drone: Seismics + Proximity Mines + Delayed Fuses = 42 points

You can delay Seismics to mess with opponent's tactic or Launch delayed Proximity Mines and fly through them.

Edited by Boreas Mun

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I really want to give a crack. 

 

It’s all MINE!!

(32) Bombardment Drone [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(6) Proximity Mines
(1) Landing Struts
Points: 39

(32) Bombardment Drone [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(6) Proximity Mines
(1) Landing Struts
Points: 39

(32) Bombardment Drone [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(6) Proximity Mines
(1) Landing Struts
Points: 39

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(4) Discord Missiles
(1) Grappling Struts
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(4) Discord Missiles
(1) Grappling Struts
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(4) Discord Missiles
(1) Grappling Struts
Points: 24

Total points: 189

Yes. I know, 11 points wasted. But it looks shenanigan inducing.  Charge in with the Hyenas and follow up with the Vultures. 

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41 minutes ago, Chudley said:

I really want to give a crack. 

 

It’s all MINE!!

(32) Bombardment Drone [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(6) Proximity Mines
(1) Landing Struts
Points: 39

(32) Bombardment Drone [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(6) Proximity Mines
(1) Landing Struts
Points: 39

(32) Bombardment Drone [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(6) Proximity Mines
(1) Landing Struts
Points: 39

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(4) Discord Missiles
(1) Grappling Struts
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(4) Discord Missiles
(1) Grappling Struts
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(4) Discord Missiles
(1) Grappling Struts
Points: 24

Total points: 189

Yes. I know, 11 points wasted. But it looks shenanigan inducing.  Charge in with the Hyenas and follow up with the Vultures. 

Give Delayed Fuses to those Hyenas

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Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, SpiderMana said:

 

3 Tubs with PlasTorps, Butter & 2 TFDs with ESCs, and 2 more TFDs with Discords? Maybe that one first, though then it’s tempting to play with Passive Sensors, and.... yeah idk.

I don’t think that fits, unfortunately. 2 TUBs does though with the rest, and enough for struts on all ships.

New Squadron

(26) Techno Union Bomber [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(9) Plasma Torpedoes
(1) Landing Struts
Points: 36

(26) Techno Union Bomber [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(9) Plasma Torpedoes
(1) Landing Struts
Points: 36

(23) DFS-311 [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
(1) Grappling Struts
Points: 29

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
(1) Grappling Struts
Points: 25

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
(1) Grappling Struts
Points: 25

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(4) Discord Missiles
(1) Grappling Struts
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(4) Discord Missiles
(1) Grappling Struts
Points: 24

Total points: 199

Edited by dsul413

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28 minutes ago, dsul413 said:

I don’t think that fits, unfortunately.

Woah, yeah that was off by quite a bit. Not sure what I was looking at.

I usually use the official app, but I pulled up YASB to mess around with these guys. Not loving browser-based list-building on mobile 😅

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Posted (edited)
I think this may be the first thing I try when the bombers drop.
 
HOLY ****!

Techno Union Bomber (26)    
    Ion Torpedoes (6)    
    Landing Struts (1)    
Ship total: 33  Half Points: 17  Threshold: 3    
    
DBS-404 (30)    
Ship total: 30  Half Points: 15  Threshold: 3    
    
Trade Federation Drone (19)    
    Energy-Shell Charges (5)    
    Grappling Struts (1)    

Ship total: 25  Half Points: 13  Threshold: 2    
    
Trade Federation Drone (19)    
    Energy-Shell Charges (5)    
    Grappling Struts (1)    

Ship total: 25  Half Points: 13  Threshold: 2    
    
Trade Federation Drone (19)    
    Discord Missiles (4)    
Ship total: 23  Half Points: 12  Threshold: 2    
    
Trade Federation Drone (19)    
    Discord Missiles (4)    
Ship total: 23  Half Points: 12  Threshold: 2    
    
Feethan Ottraw Autopilot (36)    
    TA-175 (5)    
 Ship total: 41  Half Points: 21  Threshold: 3    
 

Total: 200    

edit:

I have been running my Vultures with Shield Upgrades, just trying to spend points, while I wait for the Hyenas.  And I have to say, that one extra health has been pretty clutch.

Edited by Kleeg005

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Posted (edited)

Man, after the initial rush of buying into CiS I've re-realized just how bizarrely awesome the faction is

Understanding something like 32-c + kraken setting up Alpha strikes is easy...but considering alternatives in probe droids and buzz droids just boggles the mind

I'm actually kinda really glad they nerfed Sith like they did as it gives us cause to explore all the zany **** we have access to. 

TuB Probing with Dookcrew

(26) Techno Union Bomber [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(5) DRK-1 Probe Droids
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
Points: 36

(28) Baktoid Prototype [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(2) Fire-Control System
(6) Diamond-Boron Missiles
Points: 36

(30) DBS-404 [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
Points: 35

(67) Darth Maul [Sith Infiltrator]
(9) Hate
(10) Count Dooku
(3) General Grievous
(4) Scimitar
Points: 93

Total points: 200

Probes and Dookcrew and Title (oh my!) [Or just swap Dooku title for Palp if it's easier] 

I really have no idea how the interaction between the above three will play out on the table 

Edited by ficklegreendice

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So,  I gave the list I presented above, but reprinted for ease, and i have to say, HOLY MOLY!  It went really well  The Delayed fuses were a god send  I was able to discharge 4 out of the six mines to good effect. The discord Missiles did OK. Maybe ESC would be better. Perhaps another additional device could also work.

It’s all MINE!!

(32) Bombardment Drone [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(6) Proximity Mines
(1) Landing Struts
(1) Delayed Fuses
Points: 40

(32) Bombardment Drone [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(6) Proximity Mines
(1) Landing Struts
(1) Delayed Fuses
Points: 40

(32) Bombardment Drone [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(6) Proximity Mines
(1) Landing Struts
(1) Delayed Fuses
Points: 40

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(4) Discord Missiles
(1) Grappling Struts
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(4) Discord Missiles
(1) Grappling Struts
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(4) Discord Missiles
(1) Grappling Struts
Points: 24

Total points: 192

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Some interesting things that fit:

  • 5x Hyenas with Proton Torpedoes, one also with DRK-1 Probes (5x Torp alpha)
  • 3x Hyenas with Homing Missiles, one also with DRK-1, 4x Vultures with Homing Missiles (7x Homing alpha)
  • Dark Courier with DRK-1, 4x naked Feethan Autopilots (CIS beef?)
  • Sear with TA-175, Hyena with ESC and DRK-1, 5x Vultures with ESC (best use of TA-175?)
  • Wat with Kraken, 4x ESC Hyena, 1x Grappling/Discord (or ESC) Vulture
  • Wat with Kraken, Grievous with title, 3x ESC Hyenas, one also with DRK-1

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An interesting option that just opened up with t-175 is indeed Captain Sear and I'm vaguely interested in seeing what he can bring to the table. The two seem pretty synergistic, as there just aren't many ways to offload potentially redundant calculates  (well there's 081, but it remains hilariously expensive for a vulture)

Of course, an I 2 beeble is horrendously unexciting...but it's 39 points so can't really complain? 

Searing 32-c Alpha

(39) Captain Sear [Belbullab-22 Starfighter]
Points: 39

(42) DBS-32C [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(5) TA-175
(1) Landing Struts
Points: 48

(30) DBS-404 [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
Points: 35

(26) Techno Union Bomber [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(1) Landing Struts
(13) Proton Torpedoes
Points: 40

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
Points: 19

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
Points: 19

Total points: 200

Keeping 175 off of Sear so I can bring his primary to bear without worrying about losing anything more than 39 points. 

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On 6/30/2019 at 9:42 AM, svelok said:

Some interesting things that fit:

  • 5x Hyenas with Proton Torpedoes, one also with DRK-1 Probes (5x Torp alpha)
  • 3x Hyenas with Homing Missiles, one also with DRK-1, 4x Vultures with Homing Missiles (7x Homing alpha)
  • Dark Courier with DRK-1, 4x naked Feethan Autopilots (CIS beef?)
  • Sear with TA-175, Hyena with ESC and DRK-1, 5x Vultures with ESC (best use of TA-175?)
  • Wat with Kraken, 4x ESC Hyena, 1x Grappling/Discord (or ESC) Vulture
  • Wat with Kraken, Grievous with title, 3x ESC Hyenas, one also with DRK-1

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Something I want to try out is O-66 with TA-175 and 7x Vultures w/ struts. Need to get 1 more Vulture to run this list though. Is it worth it with all the new toys coming out?

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Most things don't tend to need more than 2 proton torps to either be killed or almost removed. Gonna be trying this out once I get 2 more bombers. Do you go for the bombers and let the swarm live, or pop the easy target but take some torps.

 

Techno Union Bomber (26)    
    Plasma Torpedoes (9)    
    DRK-1 Probe Droids (5)    
    
Ship total: 40  Half Points: 20  Threshold: 3    
    
Techno Union Bomber (26)    
    Proton Torpedoes (13)    
    Landing Struts (1)    
    
Ship total: 40  Half Points: 20  Threshold: 3    
    
Techno Union Bomber (26)    
    Proton Torpedoes (13)    
    Landing Struts (1)    
    
Ship total: 40  Half Points: 20  Threshold: 3    
    
Trade Federation Drone (19)    
    Grappling Struts (1)    
    
Ship total: 20  Half Points: 10  Threshold: 2    
    
Trade Federation Drone (19)    
    Grappling Struts (1)    
    
Ship total: 20  Half Points: 10  Threshold: 2    
    
Trade Federation Drone (19)    
    Grappling Struts (1)    
    
Ship total: 20  Half Points: 10  Threshold: 2    
    
Trade Federation Drone (19)    
    Grappling Struts (1)    
    
Ship total: 20  Half Points: 10  Threshold: 2    
    
    
Total: 200    
   

Plus points are super easy to do.

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1 hour ago, Hujoe Bigs said:

Most things don't tend to need more than 2 proton torps to either be killed or almost removed. Gonna be trying this out once I get 2 more bombers.

We were playing X-wing
Everybody had matching templates
Somebody went to take a lock
And there they saw a rock
It wasn't a rock
It was a rock BOMBER

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This could be interesting:

(44) General Grievous [Belbullab-22 Starfighter]
(6) Soulless One
(4) Impervium Plating
(6) Outmaneuver
Points: 60

(52) 0-66 [Sith Infiltrator]
(10) Count Dooku
Points: 62

(42) Wat Tambor [Belbullab-22 Starfighter]
(4) Impervium Plating
Points: 46

(30) DBS-404 [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
Points: 30

Total points: 198

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Posted (edited)

so, funny story, now that double Sith are maybe gone we can finally think about this guy

Swz30_upgrade-dooku.png

anyone else notice how he's NOT once per round?

Hate.png

you better believe it!

 

Only got a single game in with not the list I wanted (couldn't borrow a set of probes), but it's kinda silly and I love it. 

Really want that probe, though. See, you wanna walk in with a pre-set targetlock so you can focus for full mods and leave force open for Dookrew 

Edited by ficklegreendice

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I've been refining this. It seems pretty solid. 

(44) General Grievous [Belbullab-22 Starfighter]
(5) TA-175
(6) Soulless One
(4) Impervium Plating
(6) Outmaneuver
Points: 65

(28) Baktoid Prototype [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(5) DRK-1 Probe Droids
(5) Homing Missiles
(1) Landing Struts
Points: 39

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
Points: 24

Total points: 200

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Here’s what I don’t get: If 5x generic I2 X-Wings would be so broken, why aren’t 5x generic I2 Belbullabs? Sure there’s 1 hp less and the dial’s not QUITE as good, but in exchange you get both reposition options, both linking to focus, without reducing your primary value.

 And sure, it’s calculate instead of Focus on the generics, but when you consider that you can add Kraken and STILL have points to upgrade the 5th to predator Greivous...

Why isn’t this taking the meta by storm? It seems too good to be true. Is it just because no one owns 5 Bellbullabs? It is basically a $40 ship, and even maxing a Vulture Swarm only gets you 3-4.

Edited by ClassicalMoser

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1 hour ago, LordVogl said:

I've been refining this. It seems pretty solid. 

(44) General Grievous [Belbullab-22 Starfighter]
(5) TA-175
(6) Soulless One
(4) Impervium Plating
(6) Outmaneuver
Points: 65

(28) Baktoid Prototype [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(5) DRK-1 Probe Droids
(5) Homing Missiles
(1) Landing Struts
Points: 39

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
Points: 24

(19) Trade Federation Drone [Vulture-class Droid Fighter]
(5) Energy-Shell Charges
Points: 24

Total points: 200

Change all ESC to homing Missiles. Profit. 

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1 hour ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Here’s what I don’t get: If 5x generic I2 X-Wings would be so broken, why aren’t 5x generic I2 Belbullabs? Sure there’s 1 hp less and the dial’s not QUITE as good, but in exchange you get both reposition options, both linking to focus, without reducing your primary value.

 And sure, it’s calculate instead of Focus on the generics, but when you consider that you can add Kraken and STILL have points to upgrade the 5th to predator Greivous...

Why isn’t this taking the meta by storm? It seems too good to be true. Is it just because no one owns 5 Bellbullabs? It is basically a $40 ship, and even maxing a Vulture Swarm only gets you 3-4.

I don't like Kraken in Bullbulbul's list, because you need to fly close to each other. I would prefer Hyena + 4 Bullbulbuls o r 2 Hyenas + 3 Bullbulbuls with Probe Droids on Hyena.

You can fit:

1) DBS-404 with Probe + 4x Shakoan Aces for 199 points.

2) DBS-404 with Probe + 3x Shakoan Aces + Separatist Bomber with Proton Torpedoes for 200 points.

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2 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Why isn’t this taking the meta by storm? It seems too good to be true. Is it just because no one owns 5 Bellbullabs? It is basically a $40 ship, and even maxing a Vulture Swarm only gets you 3-4.

Pretty much that. Also, -1 Hull and a worse dial mean a LOT (heck, worsening the Jumpmaster dial killed the ship). The Tactical Relay slot is its greatest quality (if the DBS-32C ever gets cheaper, I don't think non-Grievous Belbullabs will ever see the table)

 

3 hours ago, LordVogl said:

(28) Baktoid Prototype [Hyena-class Droid Bomber]
(5) DRK-1 Probe Droids
(5) Homing Missiles
(1) Landing Struts
Points: 39

 

Baktoids don't have Device slots

 

56 minutes ago, Boreas Mun said:

I don't like Kraken in Bullbulbul's list, because you need to fly close to each other. I would prefer Hyena + 4 Bullbulbuls o r 2 Hyenas + 3 Bullbulbuls with Probe Droids on Hyena.

 

Kraken works 0-3...

Edited by Vector Strike

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6 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Here’s what I don’t get: If 5x generic I2 X-Wings would be so broken, 

I don't think it would be. It's maybe a bit too swiss army knife - a squad of all A-Wings does one thing and does it well, but a squad of all X-Wings does a little of everything pretty decently - which means it might bully certain matchups. You can only fit 5 TIE Strikers in a list, are they just gonna get bodied by the 5 chunkier X-Wings, with one straights and all?

6 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Sure there’s 1 hp less and the dial’s not QUITE as good

And sure, it’s calculate instead of Focus on the generics

Those parts don't help. 

It's probably Fine(tm), doesn't seem terrible nor amazing. 

You can also lose the 5th one and take 4 plus a Dark Courier, to maximize the beef factor. Leaves 5 points? Which could be DRK-1s to try and double mod offense, I guess. Sure, whatever, seems fine. I'm not buying 2-3 more B22s for "fine" but maybe on TTS/Vassal.

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1 hour ago, svelok said:

I don't think it would be. It's maybe a bit too swiss army knife - a squad of all A-Wings does one thing and does it well, but a squad of all X-Wings does a little of everything pretty decently - which means it might bully certain matchups. You can only fit 5 TIE Strikers in a list, are they just gonna get bodied by the 5 chunkier X-Wings, with one straights and all?

5 strikers has room for ALL 3 of the named pilots. 5x at I1 probably wouldn’t be dreadfully abusive (CAZ isn’t doing so hot rn anyway). 

In spite of the Bellyrub’s shortcomings, it does have some unique advantages over the T-65: 5-straight though no 1-straight, the coveted 1-turn, and a blue 3. 4 points of upgrades on EACH of them means you could take 4 aces and an autopilot and hardly notice the difference.

Plus getting those linked actions without reducing your primary is no small gain.

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