Hoarder of Garlic Bread 2,556 Posted March 21, 2019 I am a petty person, and thus I am starting this petty thread. I could claim "I told you so" over Delta 7B costing in the ballpark of 16-8pt, but I am still wrong because I did not call the scaling cost. I will say this, to all the people who tried to make Han have all the upsides of his mods with none of the downsides. May I present to you, the official ruling posted 35 min ago: Q: How does Han Solo [Rebel, Modified YT-1300]'s ability interact with "Midnight" [TIE/fo Fighter]? A: "Midnight" prevents dice modification. Because Han Solo's ability is a dice modification effect, "Midnight" prevents it from being used. Check the ruling thread. 7 3 1 2 HammerGibbens, Burius1981, Jyico and 10 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tvboy 3,529 Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) FFG could literally change their mind about any of these at any time, just like they did with Roark and Han gunner. They're completely arbitrary and not based on the actual rules at all. But good job. Edited March 21, 2019 by Tvboy 6 2 Marinealver, eMeM, Sunitsa and 5 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hippie Moosen 745 Posted March 21, 2019 I was expecting this thread to be more petty than this. Feels more "lightly salted" to me 9 4 Kreen, Turcopolier, Pewpewpew BOOM and 10 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
millertime059 1,228 Posted March 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Hippie Moosen said: I was expecting this thread to be more petty than this. Feels more "lightly salted" to me True. Petty is people pitching a fit about Interceptors and Star Vipers being made hyperspace legal in those threads 😉 3 Hoarder of Garlic Bread, Pewpewpew BOOM and Hippie Moosen reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
knute 81 Posted March 21, 2019 I'm getting a little sick and tired of these large ship nerfs, particularly when they're not taking top spot or crowding out the rest of the field. It's almost like they only want a certain number of ships to be good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuz05 3,547 Posted March 21, 2019 Somewhere on these boards, a week or so ago, I estimated CLR+Supernatural Anakin to be 102pt. I'm sure of it. I told you so. Probably. Also, 1 month ago- 'this HS ship is not remotely competitive'. Someone placed well with it in a large HS trial recently. It's not the ship, it's you. Delta's will be semi decent and not massively overcosted, you mark my words! 1 Hoarder of Garlic Bread reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoarder of Garlic Bread 2,556 Posted March 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cuz05 said: Somewhere on these boards, a week or so ago, I estimated CLR+Supernatural Anakin to be 102pt. I'm sure of it. I told you so. Probably. Also, 1 month ago- 'this HS ship is not remotely competitive'. Someone placed well with it in a large HS trial recently. It's not the ship, it's you. Delta's will be semi decent and not massively overcosted, you mark my words! I like how you can fly a 123 pt Anakin effectively with the rest of points going to the Senate on Wolffe. Given the synergy between the super-powered knight and Wolffe, it should be named "Artorias and Sif". 3 Npmartian, cram and Cuz05 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rapture 499 Posted March 21, 2019 Do you also like to brag after you successfully predict the outcome of a coin flip? 3 apoapsis, GLEXOR and Marinealver reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hiemfire 7,292 Posted March 21, 2019 I was right about a certain omission indicating contradiction... Now to look into the feasibility of tracking down every copy of Paige Tico gunner and burning it... Most likely effectively impossible for me... ******* triple bomb drop... 2 nitrobenz and feltipern1 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hiemfire 7,292 Posted March 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rapture said: Do you also like to brag after you successfully predict the outcome of a coin flip? A bit of a difference. The ruling involving Midnight has more to do with reading comprehension capability then guessing a randomized result... 2 1 TheDoctor084, Hoarder of Garlic Bread and millertime059 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThinkingB 349 Posted March 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, player3010587 said: I like how you can fly a 123 pt Anakin effectively with the rest of points going to the Senate on Wolffe. Given the synergy between the super-powered knight and Wolffe, it should be named "Artorias and Sif". As an aside, does this have the potential to be a real list? Never take a hit with Ani and then just win on points because you'll still be 61.5% of a list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinealver 8,073 Posted March 21, 2019 The Rules thread are not an official ruling but it is a useful tool for TOs to set some sort of precedent and standards across all the tournaments. IMHO the best rules are written sort of like an analog program. You keep rewriting the rules until you no longer have contradictions or paradox. But the sad truth is the tournament environment of X-wing does not allow for enough time to write them ensuring there won't be any contradictions. However @Tvboy is right, at any time FFG can put out an FAQ/Errata that overturns any thing on the rules thread. I an way the rules are interpreted more like a way laws are interpreted by judges rule lawyers rejoice . Either way there is a hierarchy of the rules from highest to lowest FFG Official F.A.Q. and Errata FFG Moderated Ruling Thread Tournament Judge and Officials X-wing Rule books Now for most rules you can stay at the lowest the Rule Book and the lowest ironically is the most consistent, but as you go up higher and higher interpretation takes more prominent of a role. 1 nitrobenz reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ximatique 120 Posted March 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Marinealver said: The Rules thread are not an official ruling but it is a useful tool for TOs to set some sort of precedent and standards across all the tournaments. Pretty sure it has "official" in its title though. But maybe I'm wrong. 2 2 joeshmoe554, Hoarder of Garlic Bread, hargleblarg and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hiemfire 7,292 Posted March 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Ximatique said: Pretty sure it has "official" in its title though. But maybe I'm wrong. It does and it is only able to be updated by FFG... 2 Hoarder of Garlic Bread and hargleblarg reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinealver 8,073 Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ximatique said: Pretty sure it has "official" in its title though. But maybe I'm wrong. It is managed by an administrator but it isn't a published format. Much like wikipedia they can be changed in a day if the admin chooses to do so. When you have a F.A.Q./Errata that is a published format. It is through official channels of communication. Granted the Ruling thread is better than say a random email from the developers, but it terms of communications it is rather informal. Edited March 21, 2019 by Marinealver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PanchoX1 1,288 Posted March 21, 2019 "This thread is an official source for game rulings, in addition to all documents on our website. " From the first post in the X-Wing OFFICIAL Rulings thread. Posted by @OfficialRules. I dunno, maybe it's just me but it seems like it's probably pretty Official. 8 1 5 Herowannabe, joeshmoe554, hargleblarg and 11 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maui. 2,815 Posted March 21, 2019 So the thread just kind of declared itself official? Is... is that even legal? 2 8 nitrobenz, Npmartian, PaulRuddSays and 7 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hiemfire 7,292 Posted March 21, 2019 Just now, Maui. said: So the thread just kind of declared itself official? Is... is that even legal? Being as it was set up by FFG? How about you shoot them a question as to how official their Official Rulings thread is. I'm sure they could use a laugh... 1 PanchoX1 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maui. 2,815 Posted March 21, 2019 Just now, Hiemfire said: Being as it was set up by FFG? How about you shoot them a question as to how official their Official Rulings thread is. I'm sure they could use a laugh... (i was being facetious. of course it's official.) 2 PanchoX1 and hargleblarg reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hiemfire 7,292 Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Maui. said: (i was being facetious. of course it's official.) Internet + /sarc = easily lost in translation Too many are serious in their disregard for things that don't mesh with their personal definition of what is "official". Edited March 21, 2019 by Hiemfire 1 PanchoX1 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PanchoX1 1,288 Posted March 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Maui. said: of course it's official I TOLD YOU SO!! 1 2 Maui., Cuz05 and Rickwilljames reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PanchoX1 1,288 Posted March 21, 2019 ^meant to be funny. ya know, just in case..... 1 Hiemfire reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeEvans 150 Posted March 21, 2019 I said that Leevan and Kulbee's quickbuild costs were wrong. Got lectured about why they probably weren't. They corrected the prices recently. Told ya so. 2 Bucknife and Hoarder of Garlic Bread reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
knute 81 Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, ThinkingB said: As an aside, does this have the potential to be a real list? Never take a hit with Ani and then just win on points because you'll still be 61.5% of a list. Probably not. 13 wounds in a two ship list? Sounds like hot garbage. 1 gadwag reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bucknife 1,801 Posted March 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Hippie Moosen said: I was expecting this thread to be more petty than this. Feels more "lightly salted" to me ...awww......but I wanted extra salt on my beef! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
