Next Imperial Corps and Support Speculation

[KommanderKeldoth 3,141]

6 hours ago, Indy_com said:

I think what Taiowaa means is that, bar the AT-RT, all vehicles the Rebels have are Repulsors and, bar the Speeder Bike, all Imperial vehicles are Ground units.

I personally think that the Tauntaun is more like the Emplacements, due to it technically being a trooper, so the Imperials should get their own animal support trooper.

I do think however that the next Vehicle for each faction will be a ground unit for the Rebels and a Repulsor for the Imperials.

Probe doids!?

[chr335 658]

8 hours ago, Indy_com said:

I do think however that the next Vehicle for each faction will be a ground unit for the Rebels and a Repulsor for the Imperials.

Imperial saber tanks

[FSD 865]

1 hour ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

Probe doids!?

I’m still of the mind that a probe droid would be a perfect “detachment” for an Imperial Veterans unit. 

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

15 minutes ago, FSD said:

I’m still of the mind that a probe droid would be a perfect “detachment” for an Imperial Veterans unit. 

Yup. Or put them in the next specialists pack.

[srMontresor 165]

17 minutes ago, FSD said:

I’m still of the mind that a probe droid would be a perfect “detachment” for an Imperial Veterans unit. 

I think they'd make a perfect operative choice.

[KommanderKeldoth 3,141]

I think they're a good support option

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

10 hours ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

I think they're a good support option

Probots have so many plausibilities. Support, Special Forces, Operative, personnel, and detachment all make sense to me.

Ooh! Ooh! Maybe it's Christmas For Me and we'll get dewback support and Merc corps with a probot detachment that is somehow legally copy/pasted into my Hoth empire list.

 

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

Personally, I doubt Probe droids will be a detachment, they make more sense as either just a Command card effect, or as their own separate Support unit. The Rebel detachment is a weapon being manned by the same infantry as are in a unit, the Probe droids are not strongly tied to any specific ground infantry unit. 

[KommanderKeldoth 3,141]

1 minute ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Personally, I doubt Probe droids will be a detachment, they make more sense as either just a Command card effect, or as their own separate Support unit. The Rebel detachment is a weapon being manned by the same infantry as are in a unit, the Probe droids are not strongly tied to any specific ground infantry unit. 

I think they could go with navy troopers, since probe droids are launched from star destroyers

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

1 minute ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Personally, I doubt Probe droids will be a detachment, they make more sense as either just a Command card effect, or as their own separate Support unit. The Rebel detachment is a weapon being manned by the same infantry as are in a unit, the Probe droids are not strongly tied to any specific ground infantry unit. 

I don't think they've ever made any sense whatsoever! But I've always liked owning/using models of them in my games! Somewhere between probots and Palpatine I draw the line on what makes sense.

I guess the way they were used kinda made sense in To Hunt The Hutt.

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

2 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

I think they could go with navy troopers, since probe droids are launched from star destroyers

Maybe? The Probe droids are designed in universe to operate independently, reporting back to the owner and self destructing to avoid capture, whereas I think of a "detachment" as "normally part of the larger group but broken off for specific reason." Were it not already it's own special unit, I would have expected the Imperial equivalent to be the E-Web honestly. A mortar would also be possible, albeit unlikely. 

 

3 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

I don't think they've ever made any sense whatsoever! But I've always liked owning/using models of them in my games! Somewhere between probots and Palpatine I draw the line on what makes sense.

I guess the way they were used kinda made sense in To Hunt The Hutt.

Using them as "guards" or scouts is the only thing that makes sense to me from a wargaming perspective really, but that works better for RPGs/scenario games. I too like the models, and am in the process of converting a second set of IA Probe Droids into destroyed objectives. 

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

25 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Using them as "guards" or scouts is the only thing that makes sense to me from a wargaming perspective really, but that works better for RPGs/scenario games. I too like the models, and am in the process of converting a second set of IA Probe Droids into destroyed objectives. 

To Hunt the Hutt used a pair of them as assassins. The empire sicced a couple probots on a crime boss, figuring if it worked it was cheaper than paying the reward out for her. Thus you had a 3 player game with no rebels! The Hutt player, the bounty hunter player, and the imperial player.

Unfortunately, as was the way of gaming back in those days, the probot's stats were unclear. You could use the baseline stats from the book but those included no weaponry, nor common-sense upgrades such as repulsors. So you just sort of ASSUMED it got repulsors, a self destruct system, a blaster (but what kind?) and that said blaster was turret mounted... all of which cost extra. Never actually said despite detailing out the Hutt's and Bounty Hunters equipment quite thoroughly.

Edited March 20, 2019 by TauntaunScout

[chr335 658]

2 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Using them as "guards" or scouts is the only thing that makes sense to me from a wargaming perspective really, but that works better for RPGs/scenario games. I too like the models, and am in the process of converting a second set of IA Probe Droids into destroyed objectives. 

But we did see them being used as guards in the Solo movie

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

3 minutes ago, chr335 said:

But we did see them being used as guards in the Solo movie

That is a VERY different variant from what I imagine most people here mean by "probe droid." I mean the "original" Viper probe droid seen in Empire Strikes Back, not the 11-3K variant created and only seen in Solo, which is much more heavily armed. 

Still, the main point of using droids as guards is so they don't need to be heavily monitored as they are semi-autonomous, and not escorted by a squad.

[KommanderKeldoth 3,141]

There's a long history of probe droids appearing in star wars media and games alongside ground troops so I don't think it's far fetched at all to see them take on a role in Legion

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

3 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

There's a long history of probe droids appearing in star wars media and games alongside ground troops so I don't think it's far fetched at all to see them take on a role in Legion

Yes, but they are designed to operate independently for any ground troops. I wouldn't expect to see them included as the "detachment" for the third Empire Corps unit, but rather as their own, completely seperate box.  

[chr335 658]

Personally I am still hoping for the next imperial corp unit to be called Imperial legionaries just because it sounds cool.  The problem is I can't think of a detachable medium weapon like the rebels have.

[FSD 865]

14 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Yes, but they are designed to operate independently for any ground troops. I wouldn't expect to see them included as the "detachment" for the third Empire Corps unit, but rather as their own, completely seperate box.  

Yes, they are.  But we really do not know much about detachments other than you have to take the base unit in order to use the detachment.

We can see that there are 2 order tokens in the Rebel Veterans product glam.  This leads me to think that while you have to take the base unit in order to include the detachment in your army, they are operating independently from the base unit and get their own separate activation.  To me, that fits the bill for a Viper probe droid.

I could see the 11-3K variant as a separate, multi-mini unit.  I have a hard time seeing the ESB Viper probe droid as a multi-mini unit for the exact same reason you seem to think it should not be a detachment - each droid works more as a SINGLE individual unit, not a unit of figures that have to worry about cohesion.  That kind of leaves us with Detachment or Operative. 

I'd much rather FFG concentrate on filling out the rest of the ESB bounty hunters than releasing a Probe Droid as an Operative (but who knows, they could release it and an R2/3PO Operative pack as a wave...)

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

3 minutes ago, FSD said:

Yes, they are.  But we really do not know much about detachments other than you have to take the base unit in order to use the detachment.

We can see that there are 2 order tokens in the Rebel Veterans product glam.  This leads me to think that while you have to take the base unit in order to include the detachment in your army, they are operating independently from the base unit and get their own separate activation.  To me, that fits the bill for a Viper probe droid.

I could see the 11-3K variant as a separate, multi-mini unit.  I have a hard time seeing the ESB Viper probe droid as a multi-mini unit for the exact same reason you seem to think it should not be a detachment - each droid works more as a SINGLE individual unit, not a unit of figures that have to worry about cohesion.  That kind of leaves us with Detachment or Operative. 

I'd much rather FFG concentrate on filling out the rest of the ESB bounty hunters than releasing a Probe Droid as an Operative (but who knows, they could release it and an R2/3PO Operative pack as a wave...)

Multi-mini or not, I don't see it being included in the same box, requiring you to purchase more of the corps unit to get more probe droid miniatures. As you say, we don't know a lot about Detachment, besides that it seems to have it's own activation token, and is included in the box of another unit. The ESB Viper, if it would be released as a Detachment, would probably not be tied to a specific unit, likely meaning their own box. This still would likely preclude them from being in the next Empire releases, since FFG is most likely to release a Creature Trooper Support and Corps unit with Detachment.

[FSD 865]

14 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Multi-mini or not, I don't see it being included in the same box, requiring you to purchase more of the corps unit to get more probe droid miniatures. As you say, we don't know a lot about Detachment, besides that it seems to have it's own activation token, and is included in the box of another unit. The ESB Viper, if it would be released as a Detachment, would probably not be tied to a specific unit, likely meaning their own box. This still would likely preclude them from being in the next Empire releases, since FFG is most likely to release a Creature Trooper Support and Corps unit with Detachment.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

After all, two weeks ago, we could have said: "I don't see the Mark II Medium Blaster being in the same box as another unit, requiring you purchase more of the corps unit to get more Mark II Medium Blaster units because it makes more sense for them to be in their own box" but here we are!

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

4 minutes ago, FSD said:

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

After all, two weeks ago, we could have said: "I don't see the Mark II Medium Blaster being in the same box as another unit, requiring you purchase more of the corps unit to get more Mark II Medium Blaster units because it makes more sense for them to be in their own box" but here we are!

Very true, especially given the release of the (in my opinion) fairly similar E-11 as an independent unit. 

I would be surprised though if it is just a single wound "unit" with no extra protection for being a detachment. Even a two wound unit is just a fantastic target for Leia/snipers to remove in the first turn of the game. I could see part of "detachment" is that the parent unit to the Mark II Medium Blaster has some variant of "Guardian" so long as it is a certain radius. If that is the case, then I doubt the Probe Droid would be a Detachment. I suppose we are likely to find out what the Empire release is prior to finding out more about Detachment though. 

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

7 minutes ago, FSD said:

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

After all, two weeks ago, we could have said: "I don't see the Mark II Medium Blaster being in the same box as another unit, requiring you purchase more of the corps unit to get more Mark II Medium Blaster units because it makes more sense for them to be in their own box" but here we are!

Yeah beyond the dewbacks which seem real likely, I think the imperial corps/detatchment is a shot in the dark.

Imperial Navy, Sandtroopers, mercs, Othertroopers, any or all of which aren't exactly precluded from bringing some crazy tripod blaster, probot, corellian hound handler, etc. as a detachment. Patience! Patience!

[Caimheul1313 2,990]

3 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Yeah beyond the dewbacks which seem real likely, I think the imperial corps/detatchment is a shot in the dark.

Imperial Navy, Sandtroopers, mercs, Othertroopers, any or all of which aren't exactly precluded from bringing some crazy tripod blaster, probot, corellian hound handler, etc. as a detachment. Patience! Patience!

Oooo I didn't even think of a hound handler. That could be interesting, and I could see them having a larger Infiltrate denial radius. Time will tell, but in the meantime we might as well amuse ourselves with speculation and theorizing, so long as we do so in a civil manner. 😛 

[That Blasted Samophlange 6,923]

On 3/20/2019 at 1:51 PM, TauntaunScout said:

Yeah beyond the dewbacks which seem real likely, I think the imperial corps/detatchment is a shot in the dark.

Imperial Navy, Sandtroopers, mercs, Othertroopers, any or all of which aren't exactly precluded from bringing some crazy tripod blaster, probot, corellian hound handler, etc. as a detachment. Patience! Patience!

While I maintain that naval troops have never shown any altitude to merit the training slot, I will concede that it might be interesting to have them if they came with an interrogator droid as seen on the deathstar.   

While a detachment option is, I’m sure incoming, there is no reason it has to be cannon or blaster.   Though, with the IT-0, we could get some ISB agents, dressed as Kallus was, instead of navy troops.   

 

[Dosiere 478]

I’d love to see imperial soldiers like the kind shown in Solo, rather than yet another stormtrooper variant.