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1 hour ago, Thalandar said:

I think ffg is trying to keep play balance on one hand, and staying true to the star wars universe on the other. Sure, there are no perfect mirror images. Notice how empire only have entourage? Fleet troopers and snowtroopers fill 2 different roles

I'd generally agree. I'm just puzzled as to why people feel totally-fer-shure they can somehow find a pattern in all of it and divine what's coming next. Like people are acting with firm positivity about what's coming next (and do with each wave) but very very few of these opinions end up being correct. No one saw the light artillery nor the landspeeder coming. Nor the crashed AT-ST. To name just a few.

The thread where Hoth Rebels were predicted before Clone Wars was correct but onscreen options are getting narrowed down (especially for rebels), and the timeline is tightening up. There were few enough plausible alternative theories. For a lot of the other stuff there's plenty of plausible options.

For example, it is halfways likely we'll get a wave of commanders or operatives soon or even right after an imperial corps/support. So who might the commanders be: WHO THE **** KNOWS? The list of plausible heroes and villains is very long indeed.

Whereas the list of plausible corps squads is not that long compared to the list of possible-but-unlikely-to-have-broad-sales-appeal. I think there's only really 3 imperial squads in the plausible list now. Navytroopers, mudtroopers, and sandtroopers in no particular order. But that's still only 1/3 odds, not including quirkier options. Which is important cause FFG often goes with stuff completely out of left field.

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37 minutes ago, Thalandar said:

 

They fit the analogy perfectly. People have been stating that naval troopers wouldn't compare to rebel veterans because they aren't veteran troops-however, death star troopers fit perfectly.  But, hey, what do I know? Everyone's guess is speculation.  I was offering my 2 cents into the mix, and throwing in that Death Star Troopers are an elite version of Navy troopers.  They fit the analogy perfectly.

Another point to add to this is that most peoples references to "Navy Trooper" talk about how we saw them fighting side by side with stormtroopers in RTJ, wearing black uniforms.  The black uniform was first worn by death star troopers, although other navy trooper adopted the black uniform later on (that is cannon, btw).

As this whole speculation is unofficial and every single person's opinion on this matter is speculation and unofficial, not sure what your statement about wookipedia is about. 

Sigh.   Naval troopers are NOT the same as death star troopers, while the latter certainly could fit the bill, the former does not.   Yes they (death star trooper)  are drawn from the navy troops to become elite, it doesnt equal the navy troops as automatically being considered elite.  One would likely recieve additional training, and as such could be classified as seperate.  

 There is also the bigger picture in that we don't see a full squad of them.   Yes, if is possible, the navy trooper or death star trooper will show, but just as equal they don't.   

There are so many troopers types that exist, there are a plethora of options.  As I have said, seemingly countless times, for the game, I see it more likely we will get an armoured trooper type, based on all factors, shoretroopers seem the most likely; better training, operate in squads, newly created in Disney time period, fit the visuals of armoured troop for the empire, which is seen in almost all situations where the empire combats rebels.  When we see the navy/death star troopers it usually inside a ship, or secret facility, not frontline.

The navy/death star trooper HAS a place in the game, I'm sure of it, but as a corps unit, I personally don't see it as a perfect fit.   They should be a more of a scalpel use, than the usual corps hammer.

24 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Yes. Four random Wookies drawn from the galaxy doesn't compare to the personal bodyguards of the head of state either. Not sure why people are so sure each release will be a guaranteed to be a a perfect statistical and thematic mirror image. Leia in Endor clothes was hardly a good pairing to ANH rebel squads. Etc. etc. etc.

No one is saying they (veteran imperial) release should be a true mirror, but every opposing team release HAS been very similar in terms of design.  

To use the wookies and royal guards, while they lore wise would operate in very different capacities, game wise they fill a very simlar function - a primarily melee based unit, with higher health and exact same upgrade slots.   Yes, there are slight differences, but they fit the same purpose.   We have seen this with the specialists, snipers, basic troops, etc. Enough that it is very likely to establish a pattern.  Support, heavy, commander, and operative have much more variance than corps, and special forces do.  

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14 minutes ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

To use the wookies and royal guards, while they lore wise would operate in very different capacities, game wise they fill a very simlar function - a primarily melee based unit, with higher health and exact same upgrade slots.   Yes, there are slight differences, but they fit the same purpose.   We have seen this with the specialists, snipers, basic troops, etc. Enough that it is very likely to establish a pattern.  Support, heavy, commander, and operative have much more variance than corps, and special forces do.  

Well, not always. Check the Fleet Troopers Vs the Snowtroopers. They are nothing alike. I will love navy troopers, shore troopers or even imperial troopers. Just avoid the sandtroopers please.

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23 hours ago, DewbackScout said:

I'd rather play with toy Dewbacks, but failing that I'll take toy Shoretroopers. Because they were in the movies and they look cool, and why not make them corps?

Well, well, well it seems we meet again. 😡 Darn you Dewback Scout. Darn you straight to Heck. Polluting these boards with your evil ways.

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25 minutes ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

 

 There is also the bigger picture in that we don't see a full squad of them.  

Well, they did "send 3 squads to help" iirc.

There's only a handful of plausible options for imperial corps at this point and naval troops are one of them. I wonder if we'll get 2 corps per side this year like the first year, or or if 1 corps per required 3 slots is where they'll end. If they mirror last year completely including the core set's units... we'll need 2 corps including this one plus 3 special forces. Most of the obvious remaining choices are plausible as special forces too. So it's a real shot in the dark to try and predict imperial units right now beyond dewbacks which seem very likely. "Now there's animals" will be just like "now there's droids" and "now there's artillery" etc.

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2 minutes ago, thepopemobile100 said:

@DewbackScout

I wonder who's alt account you are. Probably Tauntaun's talking to himself.

Could be! Has anyone ever seen us in the same room together?!

Actually I have kids, so I get enough of talking to myself.

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That Blasted Samoplange I m going to sigh right back at you and repeat: your guess is speculation, my guess is speculation. You are no more qualified to predict what the next unit is or weather navy troopers or death star trooper should be corps choices or not than anyone else on this board. I agree 100% TauntaunScout that the next Empire corps has only 3 contenders, navy troopers (or death star troopers, WHICH IS THE SAME THING IN GAME TERMS), mud troopers or shore troopers. I not going to argue about who's right and who's wrong, I will just wait til the empire corps choice comes out and see.

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41 minutes ago, Thalandar said:

That Blasted Samoplange I m going to sigh right back at you and repeat: your guess is speculation, my guess is speculation. You are no more qualified to predict what the next unit is or weather navy troopers or death star trooper should be corps choices or not than anyone else on this board. I agree 100% TauntaunScout that the next Empire corps has only 3 contenders, navy troopers (or death star troopers, WHICH IS THE SAME THING IN GAME TERMS), mud troopers or shore troopers. I not going to argue about who's right and who's wrong, I will just wait til the empire corps choice comes out and see.

I can think of others if I try. But those (sand, navy, mud) are my top 3 guesses. Since I strongly suspect we'll be seeing 1 or 2 corps but 3 special forces this year... I personally have to eliminate anything that would work as well or better as special forces. Which I think shoretroopers do, compared to sandtroopers. Though honestly they'll both work as specials. Heck navy troops could be special forces and come with a bunch of weird technical doo-dads. I'm unclear if mudtroopers are considered by the designers to fit into the Legion timeline or not, or what is up with them.


I'd love a squad of evil looking mercenaries culled from the cantina, Jabba's palace, etc. that the empire could "hire". That could fit corps or special too. I guess that's probably my personal wishlist for this wave? Dewbacks and a squad of corps bounty hunter types?

I guess if we got last year's releases again in terms of ranks and numbers I'd personally want, for the empire, Navy and Bounty Hunter corps, Dewback and something-or-other support, Sand, Shore and something-or-other special forces. Though to be fair I'm no longer clear on where one year's releases ended and the other's began.

A big problem for predictions is FFG is doing (very roughly) mirrored things, but the movies (which are still their best advertising!) do not have a mirrored selection of costumes and props. Ok so an Atgar Tower mirrors and E-web, but what's the imperial version of a Golan Arms battery? There wasn't one. People are really, really into spotting predictable patterns. So, it's human nature to try to rationalize a pattern of mirror-ness onto things in SW to fit our concept of what the releases did/will/won't look like.

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18 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

But ignoring the latest announcements and pining for the next hit of instant gratification is what the cool kids do!

 

I've never been a cool kid, I ve always sat at the nerd table..

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7 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

A big problem for predictions is FFG is doing (very roughly) mirrored things, but the movies (which are still their best advertising!) do not have a mirrored selection of costumes and props. Ok so an Atgar Tower mirrors and E-web, but what's the imperial version of a Golan Arms battery? There wasn't one. People are really, really into spotting predictable patterns. So, it's human nature to try to rationalize a pattern of mirror-ness onto things in SW to fit our concept of what the releases did/will/won't look like.

Very true, I think we will start to see the mirrored "trend" go away as time goes on. For balancing purposes this early on in the game's life- it's hard to release snipers, etc for one faction and not the other so mirroring is most likely necessary. And the fact that we only have two factions doesnt help the pattern rationalization either, once we have 4 factions I think it'll start to change and blossom out. That's why Im personally hoping the new Imp support to not be a Dewback (even tho I feel it will be) but rather something different like a probe droid that would be more asymmetrical. So Rebels would get creatures and Imps would get (combatant) droids. Then next time around the Rebs get some droid and Imps get a Dewback.

Who knows, but Im sure it'll be a Dewback and I'll definitely not complain about painting it when it comes out 😆

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Well, upgrades is another thing to track, these are almost always mirrored.

A droid probably should not come with Tenacity and Endurance. Tauntaun Riders do, and part of the legion scheme is you don't need to buy out of faction to maximize your upgrades, so that could be a big time delay if they didn't do a unit that would support that (like a guy on a giant lizard with a cattleprod) but given the Tauntaun is kind of like a weird rebel version of the Speeder Bike, the Dewback (or if they do do something different, Dewback is a solid bet because that's an OT creation) is not likely to be a 1:1 translation, I'm just thinking it'll have similar slots and be a Support which is a Creature trooper. This is why I'm also confident in not saying the imperial flipside is like Navy or Mud troopers, if those guys get a Training slot over like, vanilla stormtroopers that doesn't sound and feel very true to Star Wars. Like, think about it, Death Troopers and Pathfinders have dramatically different keywords, cost, tactical uses - but they have the exact same upgrade scheme. I don't know if we're quite at the time to buck that trend. 

 

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8 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Well, well, well it seems we meet again. 😡 Darn you Dewback Scout. Darn you straight to Heck. Polluting these boards with your evil ways.

Go back to the frozen Heck that is Hoth, TauntaunScout. You're drunk.

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36 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:

Well, upgrades is another thing to track...  Like, think about it, Death Troopers and Pathfinders have dramatically different keywords, cost, tactical uses - but they have the exact same upgrade scheme. I don't know if we're quite at the time to buck that trend. 

 

Ooh! When I think about a training slot, I gain a glimmer of hope that it’ll be hired guns!

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I believe it will be Dewback scouts (general consensus). I expect it to be a support unit of two models. Whatever the new Imperial core is, it will be in conjunction with the Dewbacks. Sandtroopers seem like an easy choice to go with the Dewbacks. However, given FFG's history, one never knows.

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All I ask from FFG is that the slots of expansions are similar across factions to make sure we can get those generic upgrades easily without buying cross faction.

That being said, I feel like Probe Droids are the most obvious support candidate. The Corps on the otherhand is a toss up between Shore/Mud/Sand troopers. I feel like Sand Troopers visually would look off compared to normal storm troopers. Both Sand and Shore troopers could have training slots, though I am unsure about mud troopers comparing them to Storm/Snow troopers which I think would be better trained. Duck and Cover would fit on Mud Troopers however.

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On 3/13/2019 at 12:46 AM, KommanderKeldoth said:

I would be down with sandtroopers. It would add variety to stormtrooper models at least, and they would be very iconic

Despite everyone's concern about the ease with which a repaint can simulate them, that didn't stop FFG from releasing Commandos, Pathfinders, or Deathtroopers, so it's entirely likely.

 

3 hours ago, TallGiraffe said:

All I ask from FFG is that the slots of expansions are similar across factions to make sure we can get those generic upgrades easily without buying cross faction.

That being said, I feel like Probe Droids are the most obvious support candidate. The Corps on the otherhand is a toss up between Shore/Mud/Sand troopers.

The single-faction consistency of upgrades, as someone else pointed out, would tend to preclude a droid unit.

The corps, as I see it, is a tossup between Shore, Mud, Navy, Sand, Hired Thugs (maybe with an ANH Garindian informant), and a dark horse candidate because that is how FFG rolls. A 6-way tossup is no sort of prediction at all :(

If it's dewbacks or probe droids and navy troops or hired thugs, my wallet is gonna cry so hard.

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My guess is Dewbacks, probably a single model  on an oval base, and Shoretroopers for corps (based on the fact that FFG is reaching for Rogue One content, and they're preparing a Scariff board for SW Celebration).

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