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What I want: Probe Droid for support, Mudtroopers/Imperial Army troopers as a cheap infantry option.  Slightly larger unit size, Imperial equivalent of the Z-6 for heavy weapons, with a keyword or two that work with playing defensive with them.  Imperial Navy troopers would be a great option as well, treating them as a specialist unit that has various options for personnel. 

What I expect:  Dewbacks for the support, and Shoretroopers.  

What I fear: Dewbacks and Sandtroopers (blah)

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8 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

]What I expect:  Dewbacks for the support, and Shoretroopers. 

I don't understand why everyone thinks "shore" troopers are an inevitable corps option. They seemed a LOT more like special forces to me. They were like biker scouts in ROTJ.

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Everyone keeps complaining about sandtroopers as if they were not members of the 501st legion under Vader's direct command.  As I said before we will probably get sandtroopers but like the Hoth troopers they will be labeled as a sort of veteran or elite corp unit.

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32 minutes ago, Alpha17 said:

What I want: Probe Droid for support, Mudtroopers/Imperial Army troopers as a cheap infantry option.  Slightly larger unit size, Imperial equivalent of the Z-6 for heavy weapons, with a keyword or two that work with playing defensive with them.  Imperial Navy troopers would be a great option as well, treating them as a specialist unit that has various options for personnel. 

What I expect:  Dewbacks for the support, and Shoretroopers.  

What I fear: Dewbacks and Sandtroopers (blah)

What if...

A probe droid was the “detachment” for an Imperial Veterans unit like the cannon is for the Rebels?  Besides Solo’s train heist scene, I really don’t see them as a multi-mini unit. This would be an interesting way to get them into the game as a semi-autonomous single mini unit. 

They could be paired with Navy Troopers or Shore troopers. My money is on Shoretroopers and then Dewbacks as the other unit. 

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32 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

I don't understand why everyone thinks "shore" troopers are an inevitable corps option. They seemed a LOT more like special forces to me. They were like biker scouts in ROTJ.

They came off as a light infantry squad to me, which I don't consider Special Forces at all.  I see the connection to the biker scouts' use in RotJ, which I'd still argue is less special forces, and more mounted patrolling.  The saboteurs and sniper aspect of the Scout Trooper expansion is what I say pushes them into being SF.

2 minutes ago, chr335 said:

Everyone keeps complaining about sandtroopers as if they were not members of the 501st legion under Vader's direct command.  As I said before we will probably get sandtroopers but like the Hoth troopers they will be labeled as a sort of veteran or elite corp unit.

Mostly because they'd be boring visually and would be taking a spot that could be better served by including different units.  I'd have no problem with sandtroopers or "Stormtrooper Veterans" included at some point, but I'd rather that be after Navy Troopers, Mudtroopers, and even Shoretroopers are released. 

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12 hours ago, srMontresor said:

Not all releases for Legion have been mirrored, for example, the fleet trooper/snowtrooper waves. Therefore, I wouldn't be hugely surprised if whatever is coming next for the imperials isn't an elite corps plus a mount.

Yes. This. Although that being said, about all I can do is say what I will and won't buy. And I really, really don't understand why shoretroopers are seen as corps not special forces.

For (unannounced, new) imperial models I'll buy:

  • Navy Troopers
  • Dewbacks
  • Probots
  • AT-PT
  • Pilots (unlikely to be sold)
  • Other assorted support crew like Death Star gunners (UTBS)
  • 1990's styled Imperial Army (UTBS)
  • Additional visually generic commanders of various sorts, like a Snowtrooper or Sandtrooper captain, or Tarkin
  • One wardroid such as IG-88 or 4-LOM
  • A squad of mercenaries/bounty hunters

What I won't buy for my imperials:

  • Anything else

Since this release wave is presumably already decided we'll just wait a month and see I guess.

Course I'll buy rancors and other creatures regardless of faction. My imperials kinda shaped up faster than my rebels because they had more Hoth stuff early. I have a ****ton of Hoth empire plus a small but legal handful of planet-agnostic imperial units. I mean Vader and 2 AT-ST's is 600+ points of empire that can bounce back and forth between Hoth and everywhere else. Thus for sheer imperial points-worth of models, I'm set. I'm much less mentally invested in them now.

When Hoth rebels hit store shelves and I've had time to paint a bunch of them, my interest in new rebel releases will wan too. I'll be able to focus on random weird side projects for Legion. Like, homemade mercenary regiments from repainted rebels, or writing my own rules, or painting alternate commander color schemes. I do want ewoks. But given FFG's overall approach to squads, I see them as more likely to appear as one operative and nothing else though :(

I'm really curious for what the next wave of commanders will be, than what the new imperial stuff is going to be. I forsee something along these lines. A new Imperial Corps and Support which, combined with the Hoth releases gives us a "new core sets" worth of GCW stuff if we get commanders. So that seems likely. But I think it's a mistake to assume visual congruity between any or all of this stuff. The core set dropped ESB Luke leading psuedo-ROTJ squads and a non-movie support unit. Versus Darth Vader, leading psuedo-ANH squads, and an ROTJ support unit.

I guessfor purely personal tastes I'd like to hope the next two waves will bring us:

  • Imperial Navy troops
  • Dewback riders
  • Hoth Rebel Commander: Reikan or someone like him, or a new version of an old unique
  • Captain Terro or Kayn Somos or someone like them

But what the heck I don't give a **** I've got too many tauntauns to paint this summer to care what the **** the rest of you people are doing.

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1 minute ago, Alpha17 said:

They came off as a light infantry squad to me, which I don't consider Special Forces at all.

Well when the "light infantry companies" were invented they were indeed what we'd call special forces. Along with the grenadier companies they got the dirtiest jobs that came down the road.

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8 minutes ago, chr335 said:

Everyone keeps complaining about sandtroopers as if they were not members of the 501st legion under Vader's direct command.  As I said before we will probably get sandtroopers but like the Hoth troopers they will be labeled as a sort of veteran or elite corp unit.

FFG kinda went out of their way to make Legion's generic stormtroopers look an awful lot like the ANH sandtroopers though. Not that their distinctly ROTJ/R1 "rebel troopers" stopped them from releasing commandos and pathfinders. But if Sandtroopers follow the trooper/commando/pathfinder road, then Sandtroopers won't be corps.

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29 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Well when the "light infantry companies" were invented they were indeed what we'd call special forces. Along with the grenadier companies they got the dirtiest jobs that came down the road.

Eh, depends on how they were used, and what they were equipped with.  A normal regiment of foot's light company wouldn't be SF, while Riflemen or Jaeger troops probably would be.  I wouldn't consider all skirmishers to be special forces just because they aren't standing in formation.  That's especially true in more modern tactics/formations.  

I also wouldn't normally consider grenadiers as SF, but Legion tends to think that heavy infantry qualify, so I guess that's where they would be pegged. 

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1 minute ago, Alpha17 said:

Eh, depends on how they were used, and what they were equipped with.  A normal regiment of foot's light company wouldn't be SF, while Riflemen or Jaeger troops probably would be.  I wouldn't consider all skirmishers to be special forces just because they aren't standing in formation.  That's especially true in more modern tactics/formations.  

I also wouldn't normally consider grenadiers as SF, but Legion tends to think that heavy infantry qualify, so I guess that's where they would be pegged. 

It depends.

In 18th century European warfare, the job of light infantry was done by the light cavalry regiments. Given the terrain of the Americas, especially in the 7YW period, they  created the idea of a light infantry company for each regiment during the war. Those companies were supposed to be picked from the best marksmen or those who were best at learning the drill, (like the grenadiers were picked from the biggest!). They were used for way more than skirmishing. Scary things like amphibious night assaults armed only with axes. Also, the lights were drilled in additional infantry tactics, they deployed a double line instead of a triple so that they could wheel faster, and stuff like that.

In that sense, light infantry companies would be special forces. People who are simply light infantry by category, like Canadien Milice or Indians, would not be considered special forces. Then you had whole regiments (60th Royal Americans, 42nd Highlanders) who by varying points in the war had all of their companies operating as de facto light infantry, and would fall somewhere in between "special forces" or "corps" (to put it back in SW: Legion terms).

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The problem with sandtroopers is they are nearly identical to the basic stormtrooper, and you can visually make your basic stormies sandtroopers by an application of paint.   Additionally, it would be easy to confuse an opponent due to theh similarity between sand and regualar stormtroopers.

There is also the fact of new units and their sculpts will entice sales. 

Now I'm not saying we shouldnt get sandtroopers, but I think it makes more sense to keep them as a rerelease of the basic stormtrooper as multi piece varied pose expansion.   Same stats, just different visually.   I've been suggesting a army builder pack (with much more than just these models) that  would include reissued sculpts as detailed above to be sold along the other version of stormtroopers.  To me that is the best way to get sandtroopers, and leaves the myriad of other imperial troop types tombe sculpted and debut as their own units.

Shore troopers make the most sense.  Again, we have an example of a highly trained canon character being  a shoretrooper. They are clearly more numerous than deathtroopers so don't really qualitlfiy in my eyes as special forces.   A new corps seems the best fit, as well as many people having an interest in getting them.

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Everything in the canon article for them is emphatically not-corps. They might do it but I'd find it unlikely for FFG to go so far afield of Disney's word on a subject. My emphasis added in bold below:

Coastal defender stormtroopers, more commonly known as shoretroopers,[2]were a specialized variant of the Galactic Empire's stormtroopers trained and equipped for combat in tropical environments.[6] Stationed at the top secret Imperial security complex on the tropical planet Scarif, shoretroopers patrolled the beaches and bunkers of the facility.[4]Shoretroopers operated effectively as sergeants which allowed them to command small squads of regular stormtroopers. One of the notable aspects of coastal defender stormtroopers was that the position they serve in was rotational (temporary); subject to rank (skills and qualification) and operational demands (open positions due to mobilization or transfers). On a galactic scale, shoretroopers as a whole were scarce, as the conditions for necessitating their employment were less frequent, as few stations or garrisons were located on coastal/tropical planets.[2]

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2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Everything in the canon article for them is emphatically not-corps. They might do it but I'd find it unlikely for FFG to go so far afield of Disney's word on a subject. My emphasis added in bold below:

Coastal defender stormtroopers, more commonly known as shoretroopers,[2]were a specialized variant of the Galactic Empire's stormtroopers trained and equipped for combat in tropical environments.[6] Stationed at the top secret Imperial security complex on the tropical planet Scarif, shoretroopers patrolled the beaches and bunkers of the facility.[4]Shoretroopers operated effectively as sergeants which allowed them to command small squads of regular stormtroopers. One of the notable aspects of coastal defender stormtroopers was that the position they serve in was rotational (temporary); subject to rank (skills and qualification) and operational demands (open positions due to mobilization or transfers). On a galactic scale, shoretroopers as a whole were scarce, as the conditions for necessitating their employment were less frequent, as few stations or garrisons were located on coastal/tropical planets.[2]

I'm new to Legion and this topic as a whole, but what you said got me thinking - would it be possible for FFG to add Shoretroopers but have them be variant Corp leaders? Could they be used as sergeants and replace the Stormtrooper leader for additional points and with an extra command ability? 

 

Like I said I'm new and just spitballing, but I'd dig that. Even though I love the Shoretroopers and would enjoy seeing whole units of them. 

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1 minute ago, CaptMook said:

I'm new to Legion and this topic as a whole, but what you said got me thinking - would it be possible for FFG to add Shoretroopers but have them be variant Corp leaders? Could they be used as sergeants and replace the Stormtrooper leader for additional points and with an extra command ability? 

 

Like I said I'm new and just spitballing, but I'd dig that. Even though I love the Shoretroopers and would enjoy seeing whole units of them. 

I've wondered about this also. A special forces squad that can donate a model to a corps unit of stormtroopers. It would take up the personnel slot.

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2 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

Everything in the canon article for them is emphatically not-corps. They might do it but I'd find it unlikely for FFG to go so far afield of Disney's word on a subject. My emphasis added in bold below:

Coastal defender stormtroopers, more commonly known as shoretroopers,[2]were a specialized variant of the Galactic Empire's stormtroopers trained and equipped for combat in tropical environments.[6] Stationed at the top secret Imperial security complex on the tropical planet Scarif, shoretroopers patrolled the beaches and bunkers of the facility.[4]Shoretroopers operated effectively as sergeants which allowed them to command small squads of regular stormtroopers. One of the notable aspects of coastal defender stormtroopers was that the position they serve in was rotational (temporary); subject to rank (skills and qualification) and operational demands (open positions due to mobilization or transfers). On a galactic scale, shoretroopers as a whole were scarce, as the conditions for necessitating their employment were less frequent, as few stations or garrisons were located on coastal/tropical planets.[2]

Based on that a shore trooper might be more likely as a replacement leader minature then it's own separate unit

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2 minutes ago, chr335 said:

Based on that a shore trooper might be more likely as a replacement leader minature then it's own separate unit

Well it would be like the imperial officer upgrade model. I suspect. He doesn't replace a squad commander but does add something extra, leadership-wise, to the unit.

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17 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Well it would be like the imperial officer upgrade model. I suspect. He doesn't replace a squad commander but does add something extra, leadership-wise, to the unit.

I believe the officer upgrades do become the squad leader, and i think shore troopers should do the same.  I would guess either increasing the courage value or adding inspire, or something similar.

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4 hours ago, FSD said:

What if...

A probe droid was the “detachment” for an Imperial Veterans unit like the cannon is for the Rebels?  Besides Solo’s train heist scene, I really don’t see them as a multi-mini unit. This would be an interesting way to get them into the game as a semi-autonomous single mini unit. 

They could be paired with Navy Troopers or Shore troopers. My money is on Shoretroopers and then Dewbacks as the other unit. 

Someday I could see a new imperial operatives box. This would include a shoretrooper who could lead stormtroopers, a probot, and a KX droid. And... some fourth model.

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all i want tis a dirt cheap unit to fill the obligatory corps choice. In most of my games i'm using 1-3 Stormtroopers by turn 2 or 3 because i can't roll a armor saves so i may as well by cheap guys to die and by better stuff in the other slots.

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1 minute ago, Darth evil said:

all i want tis a dirt cheap unit to fill the obligatory corps choice. In most of my games i'm using 1-3 Stormtroopers by turn 2 or 3 because i can't roll a armor saves so i may as well by cheap guys to die and by better stuff in the other slots.

Those would probably be imperial navy troopers

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It's likely that the next Imp unit has whatever this "Detachment" thing is.

The Imperial Naval Troopers act as both shipboard infantry and security forces.

It would make some sense for their detachment to be a Probe Droid, as intel is at least somewhat important for security purposes.

I do believe their new support will be a Dewback, although i will be somewhat disappointed of you can't give it a flamethrower.

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35 minutes ago, Darth 2Face said:

The other idea for a Corp unit would be Ranger Troopers from Solo. Probably less likely, but I love the look.

You mean the train guards?  Interesting they would give nice potential equipment

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17 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

As to the imperial fleet troopers.. well, if I was in charge, I would hold off for a bit - and here is why:  First, I think they don't have a role that can't be accomplished by another trooper.   They also don't show or have mentioned any particular degree of skill, and as such, no notable characters are are from their ranks in canon.   They are currently superfluous.   We do see the rebe fleet troops holding posistions against army troops.  

Now, as I said, they don't have a “thing” yet.  At most we have seen them guard a door on a bridge and stand at the semi-circle imperial computer console - and this is the important part to delay them..

You should see again return of the jedi. There they fight, alongside stromtroopers, against ewoks and rebels.

They are also in charge of the detention cell at least in the death star, so they are security troops, and it is known (star wars weg role playing game) that their main task is to be in charge of security in spaceships and imperial planetary facilities. That also include performing technical tasks, as other "real life" military regiments do.

In real regiments you can see soldiers performing a lot of diferent tasks in military facilities, but that doesn't mean they are not soldiers that can hold a weapon and fire.

So, the fact that you see them in the main bridge of star destroyers doesn't mean they can't be grounded in an imperial planetary facility (bunker in Endor) fighting against foes.

So in-game they could have some special rules relative to defending positions, and even setting defensive measures, such as the auto blasters you find in detention cell in a new hope or using fixed mounts liked it was in old weg battle miniatures game.

 

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