we need a procedure for what happens when a die does not land flat on the playing surface

[nikk whyte 3,869]

so many people do not know that the cocked die rule from 1st edition didn't make the transition to 2nd. they just reach down, and roll the die again. i'm extremely hesitant to grant a fresh roll to anything when the rules dont explicitly allow it. 

[DexterOnone 300]

You can eliminate the problem altogether by rolling in a dice tray or using a dice cup...

Edited February 26, 2019 by DexterOnone

[Innese 2,537]

1. Grasp dice between minimum of 2 fingers.
2. Elevate dice above play area
3. (Optional) Place dice in cupped hand & shake
4. Deposit dice onto play area from elevated position with slight flick of the wrist, avoiding contact with ships/obstacles/other dice as possible.
5. Record result or repeat if dice is still uneven.

Edited February 26, 2019 by Innese

[Frimmel 2,593]

27 minutes ago, DexterOnone said:

You can eliminate the problem altogether by rolling in a dice tray or using a dice cup...

You can still get cocked dice in a tower or tray. 

Cocked dice or dice on the floor or dice outside of the tray should be a re-roll of all dice. All dice not flat and within the confines of a rolling area should be considered an invalid roll. As players though we are often not mature enough for this course of action. 

[Sunitsa 1,565]

59 minutes ago, nikk whyte said:

so many people do not know that the cocked die rule from 1st edition didn't make the transition to 2nd.

Wait, what? 

Oh God... 

[Wiredin 3,459]

can't tell if trolling or just stupid. 

[underling 280]

My rule is if a die doesn't lie flat on a single surface it gets rerolled.

[shaunmerritt 204]

This must be one of those rules that FFG just labeled as "understood" and did not bother to put in the 2.0 rule book. Its a running joke in our store that we saw "cocked" out loud when a die doesn't lay flat. 

[thespaceinvader 17,568]

It was never in the core rules, it was always in the tourney regs, I'm disappointed but unsurprised that they took it out.

[InterceptorMad 2,007]

I've learned this from Critical Role:

You yell it as loudly and as much like a Bostonian as you can and then reroll it.

"CAAAAAAHCKED"

[nikk whyte 3,869]

not trolling, and not stupid. 

you have no written rules to make the assumption that a cocked die is invalid or able to be rerolled. 

it wasnt "understood" until we actually had the rule. No one was rerolling their cocked dice until ffg told us to do it this way. 

[Frimmel 2,593]

12 minutes ago, nikk whyte said:

not trolling, and not stupid. 

you have no written rules to make the assumption that a cocked die is invalid or able to be rerolled. 

it wasnt "understood" until we actually had the rule. No one was rerolling their cocked dice until ffg told us to do it this way. 

I've never played any game with dice where at minimum the cocked die wasn't re-rolled. I have always understood this as an unwritten but well understood and widely adopted custom of using dice. 

[Wiredin 3,459]

16 minutes ago, nikk whyte said:

not trolling, and not stupid. 

you have no written rules to make the assumption that a cocked die is invalid or able to be rerolled. 

it wasnt "understood" until we actually had the rule. No one was rerolling their cocked dice until ffg told us to do it this way. 

 

Just now, Frimmel said:

I've never played any game with dice where at minimum the cocked die wasn't re-rolled. I have always understood this as an unwritten but well understood and widely adopted custom of using dice. 

it's not a rule, it's standard gaming edict. if the result is not obvious and rolled in the play area you re reoll it. I've been doing that since I was playing Battletech when I was 11. And it wasn't in that rule manual either. 

[Hiemfire 7,292]

8 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

 

it's not a rule, it's standard gaming edict. if the result is not obvious and rolled in the play area you re reoll it. I've been doing that since I was playing Battletech when I was 11. And it wasn't in that rule manual either. 

BattleTech, 40k, BFG, Yahtzee, etc. If there is no clear face up side it gets re-rolled. If it lands off/outside the rolling area (table, game mat, dice box, etc.) it gets re-rolled. If someone happens to be having their dice do this allot they need to work on how they're rolling.

[Frimmel 2,593]

1 minute ago, Wiredin said:

it's not a rule, it's standard gaming edict. if the result is not obvious and rolled in the play area you re reoll it. I've been doing that since I was playing Battletech when I was 11. And it wasn't in that rule manual either. 

Even when playing with folks you've just met it is always over just re-rolling the cocked die or all the die. You'll get somebody who wants to keep a cocked die because it is good but usually you just have to give them a "Really?" look and they pick it up and throw it again but it is exceedingly rare that you come across someone who will argue re-rolling a cocked die shouldn't be a thing. 

You'll get guys who want to go back and forth during the game between one and all depending on circumstance but even then it just takes a we did such and such way earlier. Even with dudes having a very bad day with the dice and in need of any break they can get. 

[Wiredin 3,459]

just out of curiosity..... since breathing isn't in the game manual do you do it?

[Gilarius 1,906]

1 minute ago, Wiredin said:

just out of curiosity..... since breathing isn't in the game manual do you do it?

Certainly. Often with a cupped hand over my lower face so the wheezing noises are sufficiently authentic...

[Innese 2,537]

4 minutes ago, Gilarius said:

Certainly. Often with a cupped hand over my lower face so the wheezing noises are sufficiently authentic...

Ah, a fan of the Original Trilogy gambit I see. I prefer the Prequel trick my [Dramatic coughing] self

Edited February 26, 2019 by Innese

[nikk whyte 3,869]

15 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

just out of curiosity..... since breathing isn't in the game manual do you do it?

Guess when i roll 5 natties i get to shout yahtzee and give myself points, too. 

or if i roll double results for 3 straight turns i go directly to jail and do not pass go. lets just make up more stuff while we're here. 

 

i'll say again: rerolling a cocked die wasn't a thing in x-wing until we were told to do it. it is now no longer a thing. 

Edited February 26, 2019 by nikk whyte

[Wiredin 3,459]

rerolling a cocked die is always a thing.

 

thats like saying you can no longer follow religion because science. 

[nikk whyte 3,869]

13 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

rerolling a cocked die is always a thing.

 

thats like saying you can no longer follow religion because science. 

If you could please source that in any rules document that would be great. 

 

We didnt reroll dice before the rule. There’s nothing supporting it now. 

Edited February 26, 2019 by nikk whyte

[Wiredin 3,459]

it's standard board gaming edict. like it's implied in the game of life that you can move your car by pushing it along the path or picking it up and moving it to the designated space. there is no rule you have to do it a certain way.

 

or when the spinner in wheel of fortune lands perfectly between two prize zones. you re-spin. 

 

Edited February 26, 2019 by Wiredin

[meffo 1,401]

no matter what game you're playing, rerolling cocked dice is considered normal manners, or etiquette if you prefer.

if you don't want it to be done, just be clear about it prior to the game starting. i'm sure not everyone playing x-wing is used to playing board or miniature games.

as long as you and your opponent is on the same side and have a mutual understanding of how to treat dice, it's fine.

a vast majority of players will expect you to reroll your cocked dice - and also expect they should reroll their cocked dice.

i suppose it would be good if it was in the rules, so we don't have to deal with people claiming they shouldn't have to do it without telling us before the game starts. ever. i've never encountered it, but i suppose it could happen.

for me, it's not really a question. i would call a judge instantly and let the judge decide if it came up. i always expect my opponent to reroll cocked dice - and always want to reroll my cocked dice as well, no matter the result. i tend to roll carefully, though. with a cup. it's just decent manners taking care of the materials required for play. throwing you dice around risks knocking other components around, which is not something i want happening.

[nikk whyte 3,869]

You guys keep saying it’s standard when it 100% wasn’t for x-wing prior to the rule being included. 

[meffo 1,401]

1 minute ago, nikk whyte said:

You guys keep saying it’s standard when it 100% wasn’t for x-wing prior to the rule being included. 

it's been standard for all the games i've played. even in warhammer, where you can roll 30-40 dice per roll sometimes. not always for casual board games with friends and family, though.