Hoarder of Garlic Bread 2,556 Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Yeah, there's the whining of "it costs a force" but it's a direct defensive upgrade to a force for defense. If you're running, it will pump up the defense. It opens the option to joust a non-arc-Dodger. Heck, if any of the OT and later Skywalkers had it, I'd be stoked. Luke's fear of blanks is annihilated. Vader's loss of SNR is laughably dismissed for 1e token stacking. Neither of them are too concerned with force reserves with Luke's ability and hate respectively. Kylo's expensive ride froths at the mouth at a purple evade, especially since he doesn't have to SNR as much with fewer bombs and torps. "But the Jedi order can't take Hate, Luke's ability, or double repo off 2 stress before a dial," the non-believers may cry. Granted, but they also have 3 pilots with 3 force, one of them recharging his force with red maneuvers for that sweet aggressive play on Delta 7B and some faction-typical Clone/Jedi synergy. You may indeed find other actions better, as well as better for force conservation for a continuous engagement, but the situational tool cannot he denied. FOR THE COST OF THE FORCE SPENT FOR THE EVADE IS SAVED WHEN YOU EITHER DONT TAKE DAMAGE OR DONT SPEND THAT FORCE YOU WOULD OTHERWISE USE FOR THE CALCULATE EFFECT. Evade+full force capacity even on the 2 green of Delta 7b would be too dumb. It would be better at Luking than Luke is. Edited February 1, 2019 by player3010587 3 3 Sir Orrin, ClassicalMoser, Hippie Moosen and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpiderMana 2,606 Posted February 1, 2019 It will still very rarely get used, since it takes up your action for the turn. Sure it’s decent in certain situations, but not as good as a focus 95% of the time. 6 Wes Janson, AngryAlbatross, imprezagoatee and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tvboy 3,529 Posted February 1, 2019 Just accept that it sucks but it's better than not having the action available at all and move on with life. 18 3 SpiderMana, fearpils, nitrobenz and 18 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FriendofYoda 377 Posted February 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Tvboy said: Just accept that it sucks but it's better than not having the action available at all and move on with life. Exactly this, let's just hope Anakin has a baller ability Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpiderMana 2,606 Posted February 1, 2019 36 minutes ago, FriendofYoda said: Exactly this, let's just hope Anakin has a baller ability Agreed as well and actually **** I just remembered. Its blurry as heck but I think Anakin’s ability might be to gain an evade if there’s an enemy in his range 1 bullseye after he moves (maybe repositions not sure). Like, I could be wrong, but that was my legit best interpretation when I first saw the Clone Wars article. 1 FriendofYoda reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hippie Moosen 745 Posted February 1, 2019 I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who likes purple evades costing a force for balance reasons. Last I heard though this was all theoretical. Did they confirm this somewhere and I just missed it? 2 JJ48 and GuacCousteau reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingAnchors 4,600 Posted February 1, 2019 52 minutes ago, FriendofYoda said: Exactly this, let's just hope Anakin has a baller ability After performing a barrel roll action, you perform another barrel roll action, even if you are stressed. “I’ll try spinning, that’s a good trick!” 5 1 6 HanScottFirst, SuperWookie, Archangelspiv and 9 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhantomFO 9,101 Posted February 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Hippie Moosen said: I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who likes purple evades costing a force for balance reasons. Last I heard though this was all theoretical. Did they confirm this somewhere and I just missed it? It was in the Polish article translation. 2 ScummyRebel and Punning Pundit reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imprezagoatee 436 Posted February 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Hippie Moosen said: I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who likes purple evades costing a force for balance reasons. Last I heard though this was all theoretical. Did they confirm this somewhere and I just missed it? Yeah, in the polish spoiler article. Purple evade is really bad on a 3 agility ship, but I can see it being used once every 4th game or so. 1 ScummyRebel reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prauxim 818 Posted February 1, 2019 46 minutes ago, SpiderMana said: Agreed as well and actually **** I just remembered. Its blurry as heck but I think Anakin’s ability might be to gain an evade if there’s an enemy in his range 1 bullseye after he moves (maybe repositions not sure). Like, I could be wrong, but that was my legit best interpretation when I first saw the Clone Wars article. I though it was fully spoiled somewhere and says something like "enemy gains stress if in your bullseye". Did I imagine that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hippie Moosen 745 Posted February 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, PhantomFO said: It was in the Polish article translation. 14 minutes ago, imprezagoatee said: Yeah, in the polish spoiler article Thanks for that guys, totally missed the translation of that. 15 minutes ago, imprezagoatee said: Purple evade is really bad on a 3 agility ship, but I can see it being used once every 4th game or so. I totally agree that purple evade is pretty bad on a Delta 7. Delta 7B might like it a bit better, but honestly the evade isn't the purple action that got me thinking that it should cost a force. Purple coordinate should cost a force. If purple actions functioned in some other way there would be too much potential for coordinate shenanigans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoarder of Garlic Bread 2,556 Posted February 1, 2019 Delta 7 generic would hate purple evade. But Mace Windu might not mind it, with 3 force, but also not the arc dodging of Obi or Anakin. http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/multi/?d=IyAAAAAAAAAG&a1=MwgAAAAAAAAA 1 JJH_BATMAN reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeneralVryth 255 Posted February 1, 2019 The polish just confirmed the action costs a force token, not the effects. We don't know if there are extra effects. But yes if it is just an evade that costs a Force, it sucks. It's better than nothing technically, but its use will be very rare. 1 fearpils reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jehan Menasis 1,562 Posted February 1, 2019 I couldn't have thought of a better way of dis-encourage juking deltas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frimmel 2,593 Posted February 1, 2019 55 minutes ago, GeneralVryth said: The polish just confirmed the action costs a force token, Using a purple evade action costs both a force token and is the pilot's action for the turn? 1 1 1 Rangor, Scum4Life and mazz0 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJ48 7,102 Posted February 1, 2019 I think some of it depends on if and how pilots may be able to regenerate Force. If a pilot has a way to get that Force token back before combat, it's not so bad spending it on an action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Punning Pundit 4,746 Posted February 1, 2019 Can you perform purple actions if you're stressed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJ48 7,102 Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Punning Pundit said: Can you perform purple actions if you're stressed? I don't think we know yet. Literally all we have to go on is a single line from the Polish article that translates to something like, "He can spend a Force to do a purple action." 1 2 Hiemfire, Punning Pundit and Hippie Moosen reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thespaceinvader 17,566 Posted February 1, 2019 22 minutes ago, Jehan Menasis said: I couldn't have thought of a better way of dis-encourage juking deltas. Not giving them the talent slot does that. They're basically guaranteed to have Force. 3 Jarval, Knave Squawk and imprezagoatee reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpiderMana 2,606 Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Jehan Menasis said: I couldn't have thought of a better way of dis-encourage juking deltas. Like, say, none of them having a Talent slot because they're Jedi? 😜 Edited February 1, 2019 by SpiderMana Ninjas! 7 theBitterFig, Jarval, GLEXOR and 4 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imprezagoatee 436 Posted February 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, JJ48 said: I don't think we know yet. Literally all we have to go on is a single line from the Polish article that translates to something like, "He can spend a Force to do a purple action." We have one source that swears you cant, they're probably right. Really the purple action is only bad on the 3 agility athersprite. I was forgeting about the emp- er, I mean the chancellor's coordinate action, which is probably good as purple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jehan Menasis 1,562 Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Like, say, none of them having a Talent slot because they're Jedi? 😜 So true. The purple icing on the cake. Edited February 1, 2019 by Jehan Menasis 1 Knave Squawk reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhantomFO 9,101 Posted February 1, 2019 The people who see no value in spending a Force point to get an Evade token on a 3-agility ship are insane. For any Delta-7 pilot with two or more Force points and the Brilliant Evasion power, you're going to be nearly impossible to hit. If you are not in the bullseye arc, you'll be able to change two eyeballs and a blank into evades. That is as close as you get to 1.0-level token stacking, and the only limiting factor is going to be your force point regen. 1 Jedu reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thespaceinvader 17,566 Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, PhantomFO said: The people who see no value in spending a Force point to get an Evade token on a 3-agility ship are insane. For any Delta-7 pilot with two or more Force points and the Brilliant Evasion power, you're going to be nearly impossible to hit. If you are not in the bullseye arc, you'll be able to change two eyeballs and a blank into evades. That is as close as you get to 1.0-level token stacking, and the only limiting factor is going to be your force point regen. The problem is the lack of offensive focus and rerolls, and the generics only having one force so choosing evade over everything else. 1 fearpils reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jedu 133 Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, PhantomFO said: The people who see no value in spending a Force point to get an Evade token on a 3-agility ship are insane. For any Delta-7 pilot with two or more Force points and the Brilliant Evasion power, you're going to be nearly impossible to hit. If you are not in the bullseye arc, you'll be able to change two eyeballs and a blank into evades. That is as close as you get to 1.0-level token stacking, and the only limiting factor is going to be your force point regen. I completly agree with that. If Anakin has 3force tokens, if he knows that he's in bad spot and has brilliant evasion- he has one guaranteed evade and can turn 2 eyeballs into evades. Is it really weak? I don't think so. 1 4fox100 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites