gaming 'online'??

[LTuser 201]

At Gencon earlier this year, one of the guys i watched playing X-wing told me of a computer app/site, where one could 'play against a computer AI" via a program called "table top simulator".

Has anyone seen it?  Used it?

[thespaceinvader 17,438]

There used to be the squad benchmark tool which had some VERY rudimentary AI, but I don't think it's been updated for 2e.

TTS and Vassal both allow online play versus real people though, which is better.  AI is not good at X Wing.

[Hiemfire 5,807]

It has a pretty good community working on it.

Edited December 28, 2018 by Hiemfire

[Marinealver 8,038]

the best AI we got is for HotAC but that is a campaign and the AI is more for scenario and grunt NPC AI.

[LTuser 201]

That's what i was looking at.  Rather than going through the 'break the mat out, assemble the terrain, the enemy ships, etc, if there was possibly a way i could say, test out a mission using a program.

However, from what i heard about TTS, was it was available only on Steam, and i've had REAL bad juju with Steam in the past, so avoid them like the plague these days.

[Mu0n729 3,084]

You also have the Vassal module as an option - the autoupdater feature doesn't make you wait long before content is added in. Check out xwvassal.info for the hub website that leads you to install/play guides as well as the over 350 people X-Wing vassal league (currently in a break between season 6 and 7)

[LTuser 201]

Thanks for the heads up, but vassal seems more like a player vs player way..

[thespaceinvader 17,438]

2 minutes ago, LTuser said:

Thanks for the heads up, but vassal seems more like a player vs player way..

It only does PvP.

PvP is the best way by far to play, even the best AIs are not goign to be as good at X Wing as even a mediocre player.

[GeneralVryth 237]

8 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

It only does PvP.

PvP is the best way by far to play, even the best AIs are not goign to be as good at X Wing as even a mediocre player.

I don't agree with this in either sense. Playing against a computer is perfect for goofing around or trying something out. And sure while there may not be an AI yet that can beat a human (without advantages), no one has really tried to build one either. An AI in a computer platform is going to be able to perfectly guess whether or not its ship will fit in a maneuver, whether it will be in range etc... it will have a huge mechanical advantage over a player. It's just a matter of building up the tactical and strategic chops. If people actually try and build one, I could completely see it smoking an average player.

Edited December 29, 2018 by GeneralVryth

[LTuser 201]

9 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

It only does PvP.

PvP is the best way by far to play, even the best AIs are not goign to be as good at X Wing as even a mediocre player.

However, since i play only HOTAC< we use AI for the imperials.. 

[EVIL INC 198]

I tried the online versions mentioned here, couldnt get any of it to work.

[Velvetelvis 3,730]

8 hours ago, EVIL INC said:

I tried the online versions mentioned here, couldnt get any of it to work.

Have you tried turning it off and back on again?

[FTS Gecko 22,675]

On 12/28/2018 at 10:01 PM, Hiemfire said:

It has a pretty good community working on it.

This is the droid you are looking for.

Carry on.

[OoALEJOoO 89]

May I suggest the Tactical Droid A.I. system. It can provide quite the challenge, follows all standard rules (no A.I. cheating), supports any pilot/upgrade and it has quick build pilot and squadron cards.

It is a significant improvement over the HoTAC A.I. It currently fully supports 1ed but you can make it work for 2ed with minor tweaks. You can find it here:

https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/161995/tactical-droid-i-x-wing

[Cuz05 2,038]

If you want to test 200 v 200 things out against a robot, then Fly Casual is by the best and simplest way to do so. The AI is the Hotac you're used to. I use it a lot when honing upgrade choices in a list.

But if you're looking for custom scenarios, you're stuck on the table top, for now. 

[Suriel 619]

20 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

This is the droid you are looking for.

Carry on.

This. Sandrem did outstandig job. FlyCasual is perfect app whenever you feel like spending 20-30min on X-wing.

[FTS Gecko 22,675]

1 hour ago, Suriel said:

This. Sandrem did outstandig job. FlyCasual is perfect app whenever you feel like spending 20-30min on X-wing.

Plus, it's an app that the OP can use without needing to set up a table, squads and manually move around and roll dice for.

You know, like they asked for in the opening post!  😆

[LTuser 201]

7 hours ago, Cuz05 said:

If you want to test 200 v 200 things out against a robot, then Fly Casual is by the best and simplest way to do so. The AI is the Hotac you're used to. I use it a lot when honing upgrade choices in a list.

But if you're looking for custom scenarios, you're stuck on the table top, for now. 

Dratski...

[Hoarder of Garlic Bread 1,759]

Try it. You'll also get that only <=2 results out of 4 double modded red dice waaaaaaayyyyyyyy lese often.