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[EbonHawk 1,243]

@Matt3412 I ask you to think about what I said. 

According to your way of thinking the 3 scum got to pick their own individual roles (which could be anything they want) and as the only people picking they could have 3 OP roles and get them, I think the reason I got asked to send a scum role to him so he actually had a choice

1 minute ago, BiggsIRL said:

You make a very good point.  Pod asking someone to give a scum role seems odd, unless they were already scum.

##vote @EbonHawk

Hammer at -3.

surprised you can't see the logic, if I'm the only one who thinks scum getting the choice to pick their own roles while town get only a 50/50 chance of getting theirs is unfair hang me but as it is you two seem odd

##unvote

matt I get, biggs surprised you dont see it

[BiggsIRL 6,717]

Can anyone else confirm that they were asked to give a scum role for their second role?  (and not told their role before giving their second role?)

[EbonHawk 1,243]

if you do hang me, good luck against scum and I hope they got the fruit vendor I choose for them, and I hope the other two town gave equally horrible roles! because understanding in anygame or setup that allowing a scum team to have full control over their own roles would be a game I wouldn't play in to begin with. It would be stupidly unfair and should be Mafia 101 to understand

[Matt3412 486]

Just now, EbonHawk said:

@Matt3412 I ask you to think about what I said. 

According to your way of thinking the 3 scum got to pick their own individual roles (which could be anything they want) and as the only people picking they could have 3 OP roles and get them, I think the reason I got asked to send a scum role to him so he actually had a choice

surprised you can't see the logic, if I'm the only one who thinks scum getting the choice to pick their own roles while town get only a 50/50 chance of getting theirs is unfair hang me but as it is you two seem odd

##unvote

matt I get, biggs surprised you dont see it

no the roles just go into the pool of RNG hence why you said you yourself you dint get one your roles i dint get either of mine either.

and sure i believe if there was not enough options for scum to be truly random then pod could have asked for more rules to make the scum sample size bigger. it still dose not excuse the second pick as a scum role.

since hypothetically you would have then chosen a third role at pods request? is that correct? 

[EbonHawk 1,243]

So without the role I submitted, scum could've choosen

a deathproof godfather

a day/night roleblocker

a mafia doctor/cop

and get all 3, sound fair to you

[Matt3412 486]

1 minute ago, EbonHawk said:

if you do hang me, good luck against scum and I hope they got the fruit vendor I choose for them, and I hope the other two town gave equally horrible roles! because understanding in anygame or setup that allowing a scum team to have full control over their own roles would be a game I wouldn't play in to begin with. It would be stupidly unfair and should be Mafia 101 to understand

ebon no one is claiming this i agree wholeheartedly with you on this 

[EbonHawk 1,243]

Just now, Matt3412 said:

no the roles just go into the pool of RNG hence why you said you yourself you dint get one your roles i dint get either of mine either.

and sure i believe if there was not enough options for scum to be truly random then pod could have asked for more rules to make the scum sample size bigger. it still dose not excuse the second pick as a scum role.

since hypothetically you would have then chosen a third role at pods request? is that correct? 

Hypocrite. 

You said you got your town PM before your role which means town adn scum roles are RNG separately  

[EbonHawk 1,243]

1 minute ago, Matt3412 said:

since hypothetically you would have then chosen a third role at pods request? is that correct? 

nope, i was asked by pod IRL sat opposite me to give him a scum role in exchange for my 2nd role to help him make the setup roles equal as scum roles had 1 less for RNG than needed 

[EbonHawk 1,243]

but if he had asked i would've given him a 3rd or 4th role to help the game if needed

[Matt3412 486]

correct ebon

slow down man i think we are talking past each other 

 

there were 20 roles submitted 

they feel into 2 pools or i guess mabye 3 

clearly due to a small sample size maybee there needed to be more varity in the scum roles i can belive that.

but yes just like me knowing town i picked a town role second. mafia would have done the same

[EbonHawk 1,243]

1 minute ago, Matt3412 said:

there were 20 roles submitted 

they feel into 2 pools or i guess mabye 3 

clearly due to a small sample size maybee there needed to be more varity in the scum roles i can belive that.

but yes just like me knowing town i picked a town role second. mafia would have done the same

2/3 i'd agree with, I'd say 2 a town pool and a scum pool, with 3rd parties if any would go into their respective pool based on alignment aka a 3p survivor could be town

on the last point, all you have is my word that I found out alignment after submitting my second role, ask yourself, as scum why would i tell you that knowing it would look odd?

[EbonHawk 1,243]

@PodRacer while we're talking about scum, do they have daychat like last game?

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

4 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

@PodRacer while we're talking about scum, do they have daychat like last game?

Do they?

Gotta say, I've been trying to absorb all of the above, and this is the thing that stuck out.

(Also Biggs jumping on pretty quick there)

[EbonHawk 1,243]

1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Do they?

Gotta say, I've been trying to absorb all of the above, and this is the thing that stuck out.

(Also Biggs jumping on pretty quick there)

Yep, came to mind and seemed like something we should know, if they do I have to change some of my thinking so far and yeah noticed that

[BiggsIRL 6,717]

9 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Do they?

Gotta say, I've been trying to absorb all of the above, and this is the thing that stuck out.

 (Also Biggs jumping on pretty quick there)

Did it jump out because you know the answer.  Because you're Ebon's scum buddy?

[CaribbeanNinja 6,207]

2 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:

Did it jump out because you know the answer.  Because you're Ebon's scum buddy?

Really seemed like a deflection.

[EbonHawk 1,243]

4 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:

Did it jump out because you know the answer.  Because you're Ebon's scum buddy?

okay

[Matt3412 486]

i would like to say that I sensed genuine Panic in Ebon's reactions.

for what its worth he is usually a pillar of stoic overconfidence when pointed at. this did feel different

 

even tho he did come around to a reasonable rebuttal i'm staying for the time being

 

 

[EbonHawk 1,243]

Just now, Matt3412 said:

i would like to say that I sensed genuine Panic in Ebon's reactions.

for what its worth he is usually a pillar of stoic overconfidence when pointed at. this did feel different

 

even tho he did come around to a reasonable rebuttal i'm staying for the time being

 

 

care to quote anything or even offer any evidence other than just your word?

what felt different? have a re-read I stand by myself from the start, don't falter, just lay out my reasons for you to make judgement? this is D1 remember

[clontroper5 4,232]

Hmm, idk but in my experience Ebon is always aggressive like this, Especially when he is town, and this setup is so wierd anything could have happened haha. Hmm it's a rough first day lol

[clontroper5 4,232]

22 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Do they?

Gotta say, I've been trying to absorb all of the above, and this is the thing that stuck out.

(Also Biggs jumping on pretty quick there)

So I haven't played with Biggs before, perhaps he likes to early vote? Or do you think it's obviously abnormal?

[Matt3412 486]

9 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

what felt different? have a re-read I stand by myself from the start, don't falter, just lay out my reasons for you to make judgement? this is D1 remember

fair enough upon a re read some things do appear in a new light, the only evidence i have which could be nothing is your sheer ability to hammer out that many posts so quickly.

That in live action definitely gave me the impression of panic. its hard to pin to anything i agree. it was the moment per say 

[ovinomanc3r 4,436]

12 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

care to quote anything or even offer any evidence other than just your word?

what felt different? have a re-read I stand by myself from the start, don't falter, just lay out my reasons for you to make judgement? this is D1 remember

Did you ask for an proof of a feeling?

[EbonHawk 1,243]

2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Did you ask for an proof of a feeling?

yes, obviously to have a feeling, certain posts would have to ping out

[Matt3412 486]

5 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

yes, obviously to have a feeling, certain posts would have to ping out

actions do produce feelings. they can even contradict calm words 

just saying hahaha