DemanKnght 20 Posted December 10, 2018 New Holocron updates are out. Snoke was dinged for a +1. Ciena's action is now a power action. Couple of other things as well. Long Con was gutted like a dead fish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunewalker 182 Posted December 10, 2018 Long con is so sad right now, I feel like something else could have been done with it rather than what is basically an outright ban of the card Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromper 44 Posted December 10, 2018 Award Ceremony was gutted, too. I still don't understand why Snoke's 2nd die is only 2 points more than playing him with 1 die. They should have upped him by +1/+2 if cost was what they were going for in changing him. But I would have preferred if they just changed his power action to only work on damage. This change will minorly weaken Snoke/Thrawn, but it'll still be half the decks in the top 8 at every Regional, instead of 7 out of 8, as it was in the Chicago Regional this past weekend. The only difference is that now, Thrawn will start with 2 less health due to Bitter Rivalry. I just don't think that'll slow down the deck's dominance that much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vlasopes 0 Posted December 11, 2018 There are couple of cards that should have been on the errata list but are not - Vader's Fist is among them. As for the Snoke's erratum, it deals collateral damage to several other popular decks. Always when errata deals with some problematic cards, it means the design (or playtesting to a certain degree) has failed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joelist 148 Posted December 11, 2018 I don't agree about Vader's Fist or that there is a play testing problem. Note all the problem decks are newer cards interfacing with old cards from the prior regime. Add up the total size of the card pool right now and it is 1160 cards. Trying to playlets out every permutation there is just unfeasible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vlasopes 0 Posted December 12, 2018 12 hours ago, Joelist said: I don't agree about Vader's Fist or that there is a play testing problem. Note all the problem decks are newer cards interfacing with old cards from the prior regime. Add up the total size of the card pool right now and it is 1160 cards. Trying to playlets out every permutation there is just unfeasible. Having been a playtester myself for couple of years, the interaction with other (older) cards is as important as testing the playability of the newest cards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joelist 148 Posted December 12, 2018 I also am a play tester. And the WORST time to playtest card games is when they are close to rotation because the card pool is typically huge, which makes trying to cover all permutations almost impossible when you have to release product in realistic timeframes. This is why I have always lobbied for more aggressive rotations. 1160 is WAY too big a card pool. Before WotC pulled the rug out from under Netrunner (right after Michael Boggs had successfully led a superb drive to fix and revive the meta) I also lobbied in that game (and playtested) for more aggressive rotation. I would have had rotation start with the release of the sixth set - at that time the first set rotates out. When set seven comes out then set two rotates out and so on. Thus the meta would always be the five newest sets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vineheart01 6,403 Posted December 19, 2018 Snoke's main power is his poweraction not his die. People pretty much only used his 2nd die because it happened to fit. I suspect people will just ditch his Elite status and keep using him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amanal 2,557 Posted December 20, 2018 Maybe, but his focus helps a lot too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HoodieDM 320 Posted January 2, 2019 Or use Bitter Rivals and just take the -2 hp/+1 opp draw. ~D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites