Avengers 4 Endgame

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

7 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

 

The problem is Steve staying in the past CAN'T be compatible or a stable time loop. The scene with him and Peggy dancing appears to be set in the 1940s/early 1950s based on the cars. However there's plenty of other material this would directly contradict. For one, Peggy had an entirely different family between the first Captain America and when Steve woke up in the present day. That couldn't have happened had she been with Steve all that time (I mean I'd screw over causality for Hayley Atwell, too, but that's neither here nor there).

As far as I know, we don’t know anything about Peggy’s husband before. I imagine she and Steve would have needed to invent a cover identity for him and he would have needed to lay low and not draw attention to himself, so the guy she was talking about in the interview could have been him all along, and the dementia covers the modern day discrepancies. 

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

The unfortunate thing I can’t get out of my head is all the people who were dusted while on airplanes, or traveling at high speed, or whatever. Yes, everyone gets brought back, but you get brought back at 30,000 feet where an airplane was 5 years ago. Have a nice trip.

[TopHatGorilla 1,057]

3 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:

The unfortunate thing I can’t get out of my head is all the people who were dusted while on airplanes, or traveling at high speed, or whatever. Yes, everyone gets brought back, but you get brought back at 30,000 feet where an airplane was 5 years ago. Have a nice trip.

There was an alien invasion going on at the time. How many airlines do you think would still be flying?

[LTuser 339]

The alien invasion didn't last that long, PLUS it was down in africa.  So would every other country even have grounded their planes?? 

[Magnus Grendel 11,679]

On 4/29/2019 at 11:55 AM, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

1.  If younger Nebula came back using her last Pym Particle, how did she bring Thanos Flagship to present day?

If they only had enough pym particles for one round trip plus two one test runs, you could just as easily ask how they shrank the Milani down.

Maybe Hank Pym wasn't as smart as he thinks he is, and 'out there' something akin to the Ant-Man Technology is something Thanos can go find. Heck, maybe he went to Earth in that version of the timeline, dropped through the roof of hank's house and stole the Ant-Man tech; we don't know how long passed for him between sending Nebula off to jump back and him following. 

....And just saw the answer

12 hours ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

It was Ebony Maw and possibly Thanos who reversed engineered Nebula’s last Pym Particle.

So, yeah. Smart, but not world-endingly incomprehensible compared to existing galactic tech.

 

10 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:

The unfortunate thing I can’t get out of my head is all the people who were dusted while on airplanes, or traveling at high speed, or whatever. Yes, everyone gets brought back, but you get brought back at 30,000 feet where an airplane was 5 years ago. Have a nice trip.

For that matter, how much infrastructure like, say, farmland, has gone fallow in the last 5 years. If the world's population spontaneously doubled we'd not be in the best of situations. 

Wakandan tech will help, but only so much. 

On 4/29/2019 at 4:04 PM, CaptainJaguarShark said:

Maybe they'll use this time-travel splitting nonsense to prop up "what-if" scenarios. For instance, we know a Loki tv series is coming to Dinsey+. What if it's about this version of Loki with the Tesseract.

I assume so. We don't know where he ends up, but it has to be in (a) his version of reality and (b) in 2012. Given a version of the space stone, everything else is optional.

 

 

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[Forgottenlore 9,838]

7 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

For that matter, how much infrastructure like, say, farmland, has gone fallow in the last 5 years. If the world's population spontaneously doubled we'd not be in the best of situations. 

Oh, definitely. Undoing the snap wil cause waaaay more devastation than it did originally. Farmland no longer being cultivated, living spaces no longer maintained, factories no longer producing as much. Probably a baby boom right after the snap, so population ends up being much worse than before.

and that’s just from sapient life. If we take them at their word that it was ALL life, that might mitigate the food shortages a tab, but most of nature would have already reestablished equilibrium again. Imagine the rat population in New York City suddenly doubling. Strains on ecosystems resulting lots of animals starving. Decaying bodies leading to disease hazards.

There’s a lot to gloss over.

[LTuser 339]

7 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

For that matter, how much infrastructure like, say, farmland, has gone fall

Then add in the loss of all that knowledge / skillled workers, the mass depressions, devaluations of economies..

[Sithborg 11,644]

To quote geniuses. 

"Just repeat to yourself it is just a show, I should really just relax"

[TopHatGorilla 1,057]

On 4/30/2019 at 11:49 PM, LTuser said:

The alien invasion didn't last that long, PLUS it was down in africa.  So would every other country even have grounded their planes?? 

Africa, New York, and the UK, with at least a day from start to finish, so probably yes.

Edited May 2, 2019 by TopHatGorilla

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[LTuser 339]

So i've been hearing some chatter on other sites, about the Oscars REALLY needs to give this film some major lovin, MORE so than just the 'a-typical spec effects/soundtrack/costume, crap they mostly give to fantasy/action/sci-fi films.. And start putting them up for best director, best actor/actress, best supporting actor/actress and even best film..

BUT that leads to a question or three.
LETS SAY they do nod it for best actor, who would get the nod, between RDJ, Evans, Hemsworth, and the rest?
What of best actress?

Who would count as lead, and who comes under 'supporting??

[Ambaryerno 399]

Sorry, but while End Game was a good movie, much like Black Panther it is NOT Oscar-caliber outside the technical awards.

[CaptainJaguarShark 2,050]

13 hours ago, LTuser said:

So i've been hearing some chatter on other sites, about the Oscars REALLY needs to give this film some major lovin, MORE so than just the 'a-typical spec effects/soundtrack/costume, crap they mostly give to fantasy/action/sci-fi films.. And start putting them up for best director, best actor/actress, best supporting actor/actress and even best film..

BUT that leads to a question or three.
LETS SAY they do nod it for best actor, who would get the nod, between RDJ, Evans, Hemsworth, and the rest?
What of best actress?

Who would count as lead, and who comes under 'supporting??

Robert Downey Jr would make the most sense, I think. If Oscars had an ensemble award, I'd say it would be a good fit for the film.

5 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

Sorry, but while End Game was a good movie, much like Black Panther it is NOT Oscar-caliber outside the technical awards.

Really I have to agree. I personally think Feige could maybe get some kind of award for being here through all these films but I'm not sure if that's an Oscars thing.

[kris40k 4,541]

On 4/29/2019 at 3:55 AM, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

1.  If younger Nebula came back using her last Pym Particle, how did she bring Thanos Flagship to present day?

I didn't think it was an issue because Cap had taken a fistfull of Pym particle containers from 70's Dr. Pym when him and Tony jumped back. He had plenty. I figured after everyone got back, he left them around the machine while everyone was focused on the stones/ "Nat's dead" and she used those.

But, I guess Black Maw / Thanos reverse engineering could work, too. 

Edited May 9, 2019 by kris40k

[LTuser 339]

7 hours ago, Ambaryerno said:

Sorry, but while End Game was a good movie, much like Black Panther it is NOT Oscar-caliber outside the technical awards.

What makes such drivel as HAS won best picture, 'oscar worthy' while films like end game are considered not??

[FTS Gecko 24,135]

So, is RDJ as rich as Tony Stark yet?

Close?

[Forgottenlore 9,838]

As far as the oscars, I think what is really deserved is some sort of special achievement award. Yeah, the movie Endgame on it’s own isn’t really an Oscar flick, but it’s the culmination of 22 (solid) films that all connected. Endgame doesn’t deserve an Oscar, but the MCU does.

[LTuser 339]

3 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:

As far as the oscars, I think what is really deserved is some sort of special achievement award. Yeah, the movie Endgame on it’s own isn’t really an Oscar flick, but it’s the culmination of 22 (solid) films that all connected. Endgame doesn’t deserve an Oscar, but the MCU does.

To me, Marvel certainly Does deserve something like a lifetime achievement award..  NO ONE ELSE has had 22 films ALL LINKED like this before..  And i don't think anyone will ever come close to matching it.

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[ArcHammer 95]

So is there a cheat sheet for new people? I kind of want to see Endgame because I don't want to be the only one that hasn't (same reasoning behind seeing TFA) but I'm hesitant to because I've never really read comics (and when I did, The Avengers were dedcribed to me as "kind of a joke") and have only seen the first few movies.

The MCU seems really intimidating to me, but I'd like it not to be.

Edited May 13, 2019 by ArcHammer

[kris40k 4,541]

6 hours ago, ArcHammer said:

So is there a cheat sheet for new people?

*This does not actually exist, yet

Ok, but seriously...

The MCU certainly draws from the comics strongly for its characters, but differs enough that you don't really need to follow the comics closely to "get it". I'm not aware of anyone that has done a written summation of the MCU events leading up to the beginning of Infinity War, there may be on online, somewhere. 

Wong gives the backstory of what the stones are in the beginning of Infinity War, and Gamora gives Thanos's motivation for the conflict as well. Now, this leaves out a lot of background information that pops up throughout the movies. They really do use details from all the films leading up to this one, like why Ironman is so twitchy about Thanos, why Thor is having a really bad day, why did Captain America says a particular important line in Endgame, etc. 

If you want to catch up, you could probably get by with watching the Avengers movies (1-3), Antman & Wasp, Black Panther, Thor 2-3 and Guardians of the Galaxy 1, Spider-Man 1, Dr. Strange 1 like bare minimum.

You'll be missing out on a lot of Captain America, Ironman, Thor, and Hulk backstory and motivations. Captain Marvel's appearance may look even more deus ex machina if you haven't seen her movie to explain who she is and why she can do what she does, but there isn't a lot of required info in it. You may want to add GotG 2 to explain why Nebula is there as a frenemy, but honestly, I could find small reasons to say, "add this movie to explain this..." for all the movies if I keep going. You could probably leave off Spider-Man 1, as its not important to the story of the Infinity Stones, but I think the relationship between Ironman and Spider-Man take up so much screentime, and is important to certain events that I think its important to set that up. 

Edited May 13, 2019 by kris40k

[ArcHammer 95]

45 minutes ago, kris40k said:

*This does not actually exist, yet

Ok, but seriously...

The MCU certainly draws from the comics strongly for its characters, but differs enough that you don't really need to follow the comics closely to "get it". I'm not aware of anyone that has done a written summation of the MCU events leading up to the beginning of Infinity War, there may be on online, somewhere. 

Wong gives the backstory of what the stones are in the beginning of Infinity War, and Gamora gives Thanos's motivation for the conflict as well. Now, this leaves out a lot of background information that pops up throughout the movies. They really do use details from all the films leading up to this one, like why Ironman is so twitchy about Thanos, why Thor is having a really bad day, why did Captain America says a particular important line in Endgame, etc. 

If you want to catch up, you could probably get by with watching the Avengers movies (1-3), Antman & Wasp, Black Panther, Thor 2-3 and Guardians of the Galaxy 1, Spider-Man 1, Dr. Strange 1 like bare minimum.

You'll be missing out on a lot of Captain America, Ironman, Thor, and Hulk backstory and motivations. Captain Marvel's appearance may look even more deus ex machina if you haven't seen her movie to explain who she is and why she can do what she does, but there isn't a lot of required info in it. You may want to add GotG 2 to explain why Nebula is there as a frenemy, but honestly, I could find small reasons to say, "add this movie to explain this..." for all the movies if I keep going. You could probably leave off Spider-Man 1, as its not important to the story of the Infinity Stones, but I think the relationship between Ironman and Spider-Man take up so much screentime, and is important to certain events that I think its important to set that up. 

So 14+ hours of movies to enjoy the newest one. Endgame is gonna be out of theaters by the time I can watch all that. Doesn't seem worth the effort I guess. Too late to get into it now, I guess.

Also I legitimately had no idea Guardians of the Galaxy was tied into any of this. I've seen those but had no clue they were part of the MCU.

I've seen Iron Man 1-3, Captain America, at least two of the Thor movies, and the first Avengers movie (pretty much quit watching at that point because it was getting too hard to follow).

Edited May 13, 2019 by ArcHammer