Krennic and Deathtrooper article up

[azeronbloodmoone 189]

3 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

I think that's very true and interesting observation. I suspect one or two things: black won't photograph well, or, they were running behind schedule and the pro-painted ones weren't done when they needed to take the pics.

more then likely the pro painted ones weren't done palpatine was black robes so it wasn't a black paint issue. in my opinion.

 

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

22 minutes ago, WAC47 said:

Dude. No one plays the same game you do... and your endless complaining is getting tiresome. I'd sure as heck be angry if all we got was stuff that fit in your ridiculously specific army criteria. What's FFG supposed to do... NOT produce iconic units from the movies? (we're still a far cry from "video games and comics," and even then there's nothing wrong with drawing from that material).

Just collect your Hoth stuff, shut up, and enjoy it.

Heaven forbid any of us be something other than sycophants. And I said I liked the Krennic figure and will probably get it.

The non-movie trooper stuff is from the IA history of FFG, where we got riot and jetpack troopers. I assume they came from EU sources though I suppose FFG might have designed them.

Being as that army and navy troops got some screen time in one of the two ground battles of the OT, it's not that crazy to want them in an infantry game. To many people, the guys in shiny black helmets and jumpsuits ARE iconic from the movies. Heck they made it into Kenner's original 12 action figures.

[Derrault 1,091]

5 minutes ago, azeronbloodmoone said:

more then likely the pro painted ones weren't done palpatine was black robes so it wasn't a black paint issue. in my opinion.

 

Agreed, that’s the most plausible reason.

[ZebioLizard2 12]

17 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

 

Being as that army and navy troops got some screen time in one of the two ground battles of the OT, it's not that crazy to want them in an infantry game. To many people, the guys in shiny black helmets and jumpsuits ARE iconic from the movies. Heck they made it into Kenner's original 12 action figures.

Which troops are you even talking about? How about an image?

Edited December 3, 2018 by ZebioLizard2

[Fistofriles 126]

4 hours ago, Bdolfos said:

Death Troopers seem pretty good, but Krennic is a little bit underwhelming in my opinion.

I think his abilities might be too situational (although his 1-pip aka "0.5"-pip card is very cool).

entourage alone is worth taking him with his low point cost i wish rebels had entourage you can put 5 special forces on table with him and palp one royal guard death trooper and three sniper 2 man groups or micx full scout unit and then add snow trooper unit to storm trooper there ten activation.  

[Fistofriles 126]

4 hours ago, Simonsays3 said:

Anyone else psyched about offensive/defensive surges on the deathtroopers? Those things will be hard-hitting tanks. Those 3 SFs slots have a lot of competition these days. 

Looks like we've got a DLT trooper in there as well, so we're looking at another close to 100 point SF unit. Pricey but dang that value....

entourage think about it

[Indy_com 1,144]

1 minute ago, ZebioLizard2 said:

Which troops are you even talking about? How about an image?

Tauntaun Scout is referring to the Legends Imperial Army Trooper, whose uniform is basically the AT-ST pilots one.

Imperial Army Trooper:

AT-ST Driver:

In canon, the Imperial Army Trooper has become the Swamp/Mud Trooper:

The black helmet and jumpsuit combo also works for Imperial Naval Troopers, but Tauntaun has previously said he dosen't agree they should be in the game.

Imperial Navy Troopers:

[azeronbloodmoone 189]

4 minutes ago, Fistofriles said:

entourage alone is worth taking him with his low point cost i wish rebels had entourage you can put 5 special forces on table with him and palp one royal guard death trooper and three sniper 2 man groups or micx full scout unit and then add snow trooper unit to storm trooper there ten activation.  

remember you still have to have points for them and also 3 corps units at least. all those units would push you to 715 all naked troops and leaders. not really worth it.

[Fistofriles 126]

2 hours ago, themightyhedgehog said:

Isn’t the limit 3?

entourage allows take one more and with palp you could take a royal guard as well

[Fistofriles 126]

Just now, azeronbloodmoone said:

remember you still have to have points for them and also 3 corps units at least. all those units would push you to 715 all naked troops and leaders. not really worth it.

as i said have not done math but i could that also why i said the 2 man sniper units to save points

 

 

[azeronbloodmoone 189]

so to add more to this after a review with some others special force units out there, death troopers are a S.F. unit at 76 points base with 4 minis 1 health each (4 health total) with a range 1-3, 1 black dice (4 black dice) and melee 1 red dice (4 red dice) and they get precise 2 (4 reroll of dice with aim) on standby get a aim, when they are issued a order they remove suppression (which is very nice) also they surge to hits (not crits) and defense. which is nice but who thinks the point value when compare to other S.F. units is worth it? scouts yes have weaker armor but unlimited range sharpshooter and pierce 1 and 2 black dice for a cheaper cost, R.G. are a point cheaper for 3 minis do have 2 heath each ( 6 health) and range 1-2, 2 black dice (6 black dice), melee 1 red and 1 black (6 total) also remove 2 suppression instead of the 1 of D.T. and have charge and guardian 2 (which they then surge with yes it has to target other minis). also before anyone really hates on me yes i'm buying 1 of them and 1 krennic to have as options but not excited about it due to the point cost for it.

also when looking at krennick he seems okay cheap but more expensive then veers and veers gives more overal benefits, krennik 1 pip is he gets to set aside 3 random units and call upon them anytime you would go to the bag, it doesn't state you get to draw from the pool and then decide but before you draw from the pool. compare to veers 1 pip which gives a free attack of 4 red dice after his 2 actions. krennick abilities are okay (if you tie command cards its good but only if you tie) but the free move for suppression might not be worth it unless your issueing and staying near death troopers or royal guards. but you then have to put your leader closer to being targeted down then say veers who can stay behind a at-st for heavy cover.

[Fistofriles 126]

5 minutes ago, Indy_com said:

Tauntaun Scout is referring to the Legends Imperial Army Trooper, whose uniform is basically the AT-ST pilots one.

Imperial Army Trooper:

AT-ST Driver:

In canon, the Imperial Army Trooper has become the Swamp/Mud Trooper:

The black helmet and jumpsuit combo also works for Imperial Naval Troopers, but Tauntaun has previously said he dosen't agree they should be in the game.

Imperial Navy Troopers:

and in books like thrawn they are seen doing mission on ground then supporter by storm troopers

 

[ZebioLizard2 12]

6 minutes ago, Indy_com said:

12 minutes ago, ZebioLizard2 said:

 

Tauntaun Scout is referring to the Legends Imperial Army Trooper, whose uniform is basically the AT-ST pilots one.

So.. We've got Vehicle driver (something that wouldn't be on foot) Imperial Army (which never showed up in the OT movies), and Mud troops (which seems to be from new movies he doesn't like given he called DT from the comics)

[WAC47 1,796]

48 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Heaven forbid any of us be something other than sycophants. And I said I liked the Krennic figure and will probably get it.

The non-movie trooper stuff is from the IA history of FFG, where we got riot and jetpack troopers. I assume they came from EU sources though I suppose FFG might have designed them.

Being as that army and navy troops got some screen time in one of the two ground battles of the OT, it's not that crazy to want them in an infantry game. To many people, the guys in shiny black helmets and jumpsuits ARE iconic from the movies. Heck they made it into Kenner's original 12 action figures.

I don't mind you wanting those troops. By all means, if FFG decided to include those models that would be great, the more the merrier.

It's the constant complaining about an entirely reasonable approach to releasing miniatures for the game (i.e., main characters/highly recognizable troops from the movies) that gets on my nerves. You don't have to announce every release with "because this doesn't fit my narrow view of what should be included in this game I won't be buying it." Again, by all means don't buy those expansions and play the game you want to play. But don't expect FFG to cater to you.

[RaevenKS 111]

Did someone notice that the E-10D GL is a 0 point upgrade cards ?

Did someone say that scout would be better in close range than deathtrooper ?

Can we talk a second about rerolling 4 dices, ignoring cover and having a red dice in the pool ?

Thanks.

[thepopemobile100 977]

2 minutes ago, RaevenKS said:

Did someone notice that the E-10D GL is a 0 point upgrade cards ?

Did someone say that scout would be better in close range than deathtrooper ?

Can we talk a second about rerolling 4 dices, ignoring cover and having a red dice in the pool ?

Thanks.

I missed the blast part of that card, however they're still putting out less average damage than scouts and that weapon has to be reloaded after every use. 

[azeronbloodmoone 189]

4 minutes ago, RaevenKS said:

Did someone notice that the E-10D GL is a 0 point upgrade cards ?

Did someone say that scout would be better in close range than deathtrooper ?

Can we talk a second about rerolling 4 dices, ignoring cover and having a red dice in the pool ?

Thanks.

looking at the pic, it could be 0 or 8, if its 0 what is the point if no other unit can use it and there no other pistol upgrade avaliable that can be shared to either side (rebels are unit specific also) if it is free then whats the point of the seconary weapon on the mini people will just use that over the two white dice.  it could be correct but something tells me it will be like the pathfinders which cost points to add it on.

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

33 minutes ago, WAC47 said:

 

It's the constant complaining about an entirely reasonable approach to releasing miniatures for the game (i.e., main characters/highly recognizable troops from the movies) that gets on my nerves. You don't have to announce every release with "because this doesn't fit my narrow view of what should be included in this game I won't be buying it." Again, by all means don't buy those expansions and play the game you want to play. But don't expect FFG to cater to you.

It's not that I don't want stuff to get made, it's all getting made eventually. I don't like the release "overlap" with the very few things we've got to pick from. They give us models (stats is a separate thing) that we had close substitutes for before, while other broadly useful things are left undone. That's not a reasonable approach. Much of what can be artistically and thematically accomplished with rebel troopers is xeroxed with commandos and pathfinders, for example.

People could and did paint glossy black stormtroopers to use as passable approximations of deathtroopers. But to make your own approximation of a naval crew squad or something would be nearly impossible for the average hobbyist. Hence I see them as a relatively repetitive sculpt. I recognize the differences but they are relatively slight.

1 hour ago, Indy_com said:

The black helmet and jumpsuit combo also works for Imperial Naval Troopers, but Tauntaun has previously said he dosen't agree they should be in the game.

You might be confusing me with someone else. I painted a bunch of navy troops for D6, collected a few even though they were hideous in D20, wanted them in IA, and want them for Legion.

56 minutes ago, ZebioLizard2 said:

So.. We've got Vehicle driver (something that wouldn't be on foot) Imperial Army (which never showed up in the OT movies), and Mud troops (which seems to be from new movies he doesn't like given he called DT from the comics)

The vehicles are being driven by army troopers. Call it "legends" or something else. All I know is, we had blister packs of lead ones back in the day and they were lots of fun to paint and use in games. Highly versatile, they could be imperial troops or be repainted as planetary militia, mercenary regiments, etc. As far as calling deathtroopers from comics, maybe I wasn't clear: I was referring to my guess that IA's jet troopers and riot troopers to be from comics or video games (or made in-house) and FFG put them out before a lot of highly recognizable stuff, indicating a strong preference on their part for anything in a carapace. I know Deathtroopers are from R1.

 

 

Edited December 3, 2018 by TauntaunScout

[thepopemobile100 977]

36 minutes ago, WAC47 said:

I don't mind you wanting those troops. By all means, if FFG decided to include those models that would be great, the more the merrier.

It's the constant complaining about an entirely reasonable approach to releasing miniatures for the game (i.e., main characters/highly recognizable troops from the movies) that gets on my nerves. You don't have to announce every release with "because this doesn't fit my narrow view of what should be included in this game I won't be buying it." Again, by all means don't buy those expansions and play the game you want to play. But don't expect FFG to cater to you.

In his defense I've said the same thing with regards to the rogue one stuff being released as I disliked the movie. If you don't like that he's vocal with his disdain then ignore it, it isn't hard.

7 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

It's not that I don't want stuff to get made, it's all getting made eventually. I don't like the release "overlap" with the very few things we've got to pick from. They give us models (stats is a separate thing) that we had close substitutes for before, while other broadly useful things are left undone. That's not a reasonable approach. Much of what can be artistically and thematically accomplished with rebel troopers is xeroxed with commandos and pathfinders, for example.

I don't see the problem with the "overlap" that you mention. The only big troops (infantry wise, vehicles are a whole other story) left that can't effectively be painted/customized are ewoks, imperial army troops, and imperial navy/death star troops. For a game being less than a year old that's not bad. If this "overlap" was a bothersome to others as it was to you, then WOTC and the D20 system would still be popular today

[VadersToothbrush 20]

14 minutes ago, thepopemobile100 said:

If this "overlap" was a bothersome to others as it was to you, then WOTC and the D20 system would still be popular today

Haha wow thats the biggest F*@# you and your tastes I've seen on this board.

[buckero0 1,956]

They look awesome, the Death troopers have so much utility (2 different ranged weapons base)

I just wonder if the price of them is worth their 1 wound.

[thepopemobile100 977]

1 minute ago, buckero0 said:

They look awesome, the Death troopers have so much utility (2 different ranged weapons base)

I just wonder if the price of them is worth their 1 wound.

Early opinion is yes, but keep them away from most other spec ops, snipers and commanders that can actually fight

[TallGiraffe 3,447]

Honestly it just sounds like @TauntaunScout is more interested in more diverse models to paint.

[thepopemobile100 977]

Just now, TallGiraffe said:

Honestly it just sounds like @TauntaunScout is more interested in more diverse models to paint.

And there isn't a single thing wrong with that if that's what he enjoys

[TallGiraffe 3,447]

Just now, thepopemobile100 said:

And there isn't a single thing wrong with that if that's what he enjoys

I never said I had a problem. Just pointing it out there.