Krennic and Deathtrooper article up

[HelHound 142]

Now I know where my tax return will be going, I need four squads of Death Troopers on the table. 

[WAC47 1,796]

Side note: looks like we have our first Rebels content! I’m guessing the unique Death trooper is DT-F16.

[LennoxPoodle 191]

1 hour ago, NeonWolf said:

Deathtroopers card text

Disciplined 1

Precise 2

Ready 1

E-1?0 Grenade Launcher Config: Range 1-2, 1x Red, Exhaust, Blast, Reconfigure

Looks like a unique, named Leader upgrade and a DLT-19 for the Heavy Weapon upgrade slot.

The heavy blaster rifle should be a DLT-19D and that grenade launcher an E-11D. At least that's how the weapons are called in the Lore so far.

[NeonWolf 942]

Just now, LennoxPoodle said:

The heavy blaster rifle should be a DLT-19D and that grenade launcher an E-11D. At least that's how the weapons are called in the Lore so far.

Could be, hard to make out the 2nd and 3rd characters on the image. I thought it was an E-110 but Could be an 11D.

[werdnaegni 1,563]

Tabletop Admiral updated

[KalEl814 1,510]

Man those DTs are gonna be difficult to perish. 

[Red Castle 3,875]

6 minutes ago, KalEl814 said:

Man those DTs are gonna be difficult to perish. 

not for snipers... they still have only 1 health each and armor is pointless against pierce.

[NeonWolf 942]

Deathtroopers = 76pts

Pathfinders = 68pts.

Confirmed by dev in Discord

[themightyhedgehog 290]

55 minutes ago, HelHound said:

Now I know where my tax return will be going, I need four squads of Death Troopers on the table. 

Isn’t the limit 3?

[Darth Lupine 1,556]

Just now, themightyhedgehog said:

Isn’t the limit 3?

Fielding Krennic gives you a free Death Trooper slot, basically, so if you have him, you can field four Death Trooper squads.

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

Stormtroopers you're SUPPOSED to paint black is an odd choice of a release slot at this early juncture. But so were the Scariff and Endor squads, considering the Rebel Trooper box. Economy of sculpting/collecting is not something FFG seems to think about.

They might be good for converting a squad of armored bounty hunters though. I could replace the heads with open face rebel helmets and alien heads.

Edit: seems to prove my theory (formed back in IA) that FFG only cares about hardshell humans. Better to tap video games or comics for [blank]troopers than give us unarmored imperials, apparently. To release these now makes it seem like we'll never see squads of Imperial army or navy personnel.

Krennic is a good addition though. Being an imperial in a uniform, who can be easily repainted as a homemade Moff or something. As opposed to a pricey, immersion-blowing dark jedi.

Edited December 3, 2018 by TauntaunScout

[Indy_com 1,144]

30 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Stormtroopers you're SUPPOSED to paint black is an odd choice of a release slot at this early juncture. But so were the Scariff and Endor squads, considering the Rebel Trooper box. Economy of sculpting/collecting is not something FFG seems to think about.

They might be good for converting a squad of armored bounty hunters though. I could replace the heads with open face rebel helmets and alien heads.

Edit: seems to prove my theory (formed back in IA) that FFG only cares about hardshell humans. Better to tap video games or comics for [blank]troopers than give us unarmored imperials, apparently. To release these now makes it seem like we'll never see squads of Imperial army or navy personnel.

Krennic is a good addition though. Being an imperial in a uniform, who can be easily repainted as a homemade Moff or something. As opposed to a pricey, immersion-blowing dark jedi.

Serious question:

Are you going to complain about everything released that isn't the original trilogy?

[Derrault 1,091]

30 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Stormtroopers you're SUPPOSED to paint black is an odd choice of a release slot at this early juncture. But so were the Scariff and Endor squads, considering the Rebel Trooper box. Economy of sculpting/collecting is not something FFG seems to think about.

They might be good for converting a squad of armored bounty hunters though. I could replace the heads with open face rebel helmets and alien heads.

Edit: seems to prove my theory (formed back in IA) that FFG only cares about hardshell humans. Better to tap video games or comics for [blank]troopers than give us unarmored imperials, apparently. To release these now makes it seem like we'll never see squads of Imperial army or navy personnel.

Krennic is a good addition though. Being an imperial in a uniform, who can be easily repainted as a homemade Moff or something. As opposed to a pricey, immersion-blowing dark jedi.

Generally the unarmored Imperials aren’t their ground forces.

They’re support personnel or Naval Officers. Who are quite unlikely to get into a non-ship combat scenario.

You’re right that Imperials going to be pretty much all heavily armored, just for the wrong reasons. 

[thepopemobile100 977]

I get the feeling that the death troopers themselves aren't going to stack very well against another special forces unit with the exception of pathfinders and maybe scout troopers, as well as most commanders

Commandos have the same range, but portable heavy cover, sharpshooter, pierce, and are cheaper.

Wookies have a ridiculous amount of health, pierce again, and can close into melee and still have the advantage.

Pathfinders aren't great defensively without suppression so I'd give it to death troopers.

IRG are melee units and good ones at that, with more health than death troopers and better attack.

Scouts will like win the close range battle, but only just and only with a full unit with a sniper.

Death Troopers seem to be geared towards anti core fighting where there isn't a lot of, if any, pierce. If the weapon on the other side of the flip card has impact, then they may have a good match up vs armor too

[ninclouse2000 1,051]

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

Stormtroopers you're SUPPOSED to paint black is an odd choice of a release slot at this early juncture. But so were the Scariff and Endor squads, considering the Rebel Trooper box. Economy of sculpting/collecting is not something FFG seems to think about.

They might be good for converting a squad of armored bounty hunters though. I could replace the heads with open face rebel helmets and alien heads.

Edit: seems to prove my theory (formed back in IA) that FFG only cares about hardshell humans. Better to tap video games or comics for [blank]troopers than give us unarmored imperials, apparently. To release these now makes it seem like we'll never see squads of Imperial army or navy personnel.

Krennic is a good addition though. Being an imperial in a uniform, who can be easily repainted as a homemade Moff or something. As opposed to a pricey, immersion-blowing dark jedi.

Huge shock here.  Never happy.

Edited December 3, 2018 by ninclouse2000

[Simonsays3 157]

16 minutes ago, thepopemobile100 said:

I get the feeling that the death troopers themselves aren't going to stack very well against another special forces unit with the exception of pathfinders and maybe scout troopers, as well as most commanders

Commandos have the same range, but portable heavy cover, sharpshooter, pierce, and are cheaper.

Wookies have a ridiculous amount of health, pierce again, and can close into melee and still have the advantage.

Pathfinders aren't great defensively without suppression so I'd give it to death troopers.

IRG are melee units and good ones at that, with more health than death troopers and better attack.

Scouts will like win the close range battle, but only just and only with a full unit with a sniper.

Death Troopers seem to be geared towards anti core fighting where there isn't a lot of, if any, pierce. If the weapon on the other side of the flip card has impact, then they may have a good match up vs armor too

Agreed on the last point for sure - they are the Tie Defender of Legion; the best standard trooper than money can buy.

Looking at how they compare in points and ability, I don't think they're going to be all that effective stacked against other SF units either - rather they're more like super stormtroopers, which can already be a pain to remove. Basically you put these guys out there to draw attention and tank hits while dishing it out (dual surges is still really good, surprised we're getting it on somewhat spammable unit).

That they can shoot at 1-3 (to maybe 4) with surge to hits on Black dice is big and solves the stormtrooper crappy white dice problem. Sure snipers and anything with pierce can make 'em hurt, but if you can see them, they can see you and if they're parked somewhere valuable, you'll have to waste those precious pierce attacks to get them out. It's hard not to see these guys as a force to be reckoned with on any location based objective.

Be curious if we get a flamer variant, as that was what we saw in film.

[azeronbloodmoone 189]

well, I'm not as hyped about this as some people the death troopers aren't elite, they have a few things that storm troopers don't have but other then that they are a more expensive stormtrooper i won't use, i will buy it for the upgrade cards. kinda wish they would of made death troopers 2 health and 3 moral as they are suppose to be elite. as far as krennic goes a free move for suppression might be good but i think veers is a better commander over him.

[SSB_Shadow 46]

I don't play Legion but sweet lord would I love to have those Death Trooper squad.

[arnoldrew 1,713]

4 hours ago, Xiervak said:

Who had money on Krennic?

We've known Krennic and Death Troopers were the next announcement since they were spoiled at the same time as Jyn and the Pathfinders.

[WAC47 1,796]

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

Stormtroopers you're SUPPOSED to paint black is an odd choice of a release slot at this early juncture. But so were the Scariff and Endor squads, considering the Rebel Trooper box. Economy of sculpting/collecting is not something FFG seems to think about.

They might be good for converting a squad of armored bounty hunters though. I could replace the heads with open face rebel helmets and alien heads.

Edit: seems to prove my theory (formed back in IA) that FFG only cares about hardshell humans. Better to tap video games or comics for [blank]troopers than give us unarmored imperials, apparently. To release these now makes it seem like we'll never see squads of Imperial army or navy personnel.

Krennic is a good addition though. Being an imperial in a uniform, who can be easily repainted as a homemade Moff or something. As opposed to a pricey, immersion-blowing dark jedi.

Dude. No one plays the same game you do... and your endless complaining is getting tiresome. I'd sure as heck be angry if all we got was stuff that fit in your ridiculously specific army criteria. What's FFG supposed to do... NOT produce iconic units from the movies? (we're still a far cry from "video games and comics," and even then there's nothing wrong with drawing from that material).

Just collect your Hoth stuff, shut up, and enjoy it.

[azeronbloodmoone 189]

also just notice that they didn't even paint the death troopers for us this time, every other announcement has shown painted minis wow, way to go FFG ( i know some people will take this as me being a jack ((( but at least i'm pointing out how something true).

 

[Xiervak 161]

7 minutes ago, azeronbloodmoone said:

also just notice that they didn't even paint the death troopers for us this time, every other announcement has shown painted minis wow, way to go FFG ( i know some people will take this as me being a jack ((( but at least i'm pointing out how something true).

 

I think its because they are supposed to be black, thus would not photograph well.

Edited December 3, 2018 by Xiervak

[azeronbloodmoone 189]

1 minute ago, Xiervak said:

I think its because they are supposed to be black, thus would not photograph well.

and the palpatine is black robes he came out good.

[Squark 2,555]

Doing some quick number crunching;

-Death Troopers have a solid number of effective wounds per point. Sans upgrades, only Naked Stormtroopers and Royal Guards have a better ratio of effective wounds to cost. However, their reliance on that "3+" save means that pierce is terrifying for them.

-Offensively, their average damage at range 3 is slightly less efficient than that of a naked stormtrooper unit, which is not great. At range 2 they have a bit more punch, but now you're competing with fleet troopers, who will blow you out of the water.

In short, Death Troopers are pretty durable, but aren't exceptional offensively. They're going to depend on their specialized rules and gear to function, by my reckoning.

4 minutes ago, azeronbloodmoone said:

also just notice that they didn't even paint the death troopers for us this time, every other announcement has shown painted minis wow, way to go FFG ( i know some people will take this as me being a jack ((( but at least i'm pointing out how something true).

 

This announcement is unusually close to the previous anouncement. The physical models may not have had time to be painted, at least to professional standards.

[TauntaunScout 4,276]

9 minutes ago, azeronbloodmoone said:

also just notice that they didn't even paint the death troopers for us this time, every other announcement has shown painted minis wow, way to go FFG ( i know some people will take this as me being a jack ((( but at least i'm pointing out how something true).

 

I think that's very true and interesting observation. I suspect one or two things: black won't photograph well, or, they were running behind schedule and the pro-painted ones weren't done when they needed to take the pics.

Edited December 3, 2018 by TauntaunScout