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X-wing ships and real life counterparts?

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Well... ywing remember me the tbm avenger. The xwing it's a good corsair. The a-wing perhaps a p51 mustang. Bwing it's quite a bristol medium bomber. The e-wing a good mosquito. The z-95 a good hellcat. And the arc170 a good b24 liberator. TIEs go down to german and japanese fighters and bomber. Tie ln starfighter it is surely a Zero fighter mitsubishi a5. Tie advanced and similar follow the secret weapons of luftwaffe. T70 it's a fine hurricane. A-wing markii it's a good spitfire.

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2 I would like to see emulated, including their weapon placement, are the J7W and P-38. The Porax-38 and Rogue have the basic look of the P-38 (obvious influence, its in the name of the base design...) but both have their guns 12m apart (in the wingtips). So instead of being able to engage and hit a target with multiple weapons in a long kill box they have a tiny area where their guns will all hit the target and a huge area where they might get a hit with one cannon... Though in similarity lines I guess the G1-M4-C Dunelizard (the small one of the two possible chassis) fits the J7W, just with its guns in the wingtips yet again...

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Most of them would come form WWII:

Rebellion

Y-wing: SBD Dauntless - Tough, dependable, arguably obsolete, but just so **** good at its job there's no real replacement. Although nominally a bomber it's agile enough it can hold its own in a dogfight.
X-wing: F6F Hellcat - Average speed and decently maneuverable, though not as agile as its primary opponent. It makes up for the latter with its durability and firepower.
A-wing: Spitfire - Very fast and highly-maneuverable, but lacking in endurance, firepower, and durability.
B-wing: B-25H Mitchell - Formidable gunship packing an enormous amount of firepower, but slow, ungainly, and outclassed against fighters.
E-wing: F4U-4 Corsair - Fast, maneuverable, tough, and well-armed. When you look at its raw performance it's arguably the best fighter in the stable, yet is often overshadowed by its more iconic counterpart.
U-wing: PBY Catalina - A highly versatile platform primarily designed for a utility role, but capable of fighting in a pinch (look up the Black Cat PBYs).

Empire

TIE/ln: A6M2 Zero - Exceptional maneuverability, but seriously lacking in durability and firepower. Can be lethal in the hands of an expert pilot, but poor survivability means pilots seldom last long enough to get that experience.
TIE Interceptor: A6M5 Zero - Improved firepower and armor, but still fragile.
TIE/x1: Ki-61 - Doesn't even seem like it was designed by the same nation. Loses a bit of maneuverability, but is tough and well-armed, with a number of advanced features.
TIE Avenger: Ki-84 - Fast, maneuverable, tough, and well armed, and arguably the best fighter produced by its nation, but present in far too few numbers to have a significant impact.
TIE bomber - D3A - A bomber fast and maneuverable enough to serve as a fighter, but with anemic firepower and poor armor.

Edited by Ambaryerno

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X-Wing: P-51 Mustang or a Corsair. Pretty good at most things, but the best at dogfighting. The ship that can fight, bomb, escort; anything that is needed. The precursor to "do everything" fighters like F-4s, F-15s, and now F-35s and the E-Wing in universe.

Y-Wing: Ilyishun-Il 2. Less nimble and older, but good at attacking ground targets and good at taking a beating. Susceptible to AA and Interceptors, but capable of defending itself with its turret. A well respected old workhorse.

Tie Defender: Me 328. The top of the line, extreme super fighter. Only the top pilots got to fly them and they were a force to be reckoned with. In a straight line, it could catch any other fighter, but it was expensive and difficult to mass produce.

Tie Fighter: A6M Zero. Nothing fancy, but a respectable fighter when flown in great numbers and due to the fierce aggression of its pilots. Easy to mass produce and swarm, but susceptible to heavy losses when facing superior dog fighters.

There's more, but these are the main ones that clearly stick out to me.

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2 hours ago, ThinkingB said:

Tie Defender: Me 328. The top of the line, extreme super fighter. Only the top pilots got to fly them and they were a force to be reckoned with. In a straight line, it could catch any other fighter, but it was expensive and difficult to mass produce.

If you're going to use German Iron, the Me-262 is probably a better analog. The Me-328 never flew in combat, only nine prototypes were built, and it never reached production. In fact there's no evidence that it ever flew more than a handful of glide tests and MAYBE one or two powered flights, but the test program was scrapped due to severe vibration caused by the pulse jets.

In fact there was nothing "extreme super" about the 328 at all. The pulse jets were wholly unsuitable for use in an aircraft, (which is what doomed the project from the start) and its top speed was estimated as "only" 500mph. The 262 was faster at 560mph, and the P-80 was even faster than THAT (600mph). It would have been shredded by the same tactics the Allies were already using to defeat the 262.

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1 hour ago, player3137305 said:

Just noting that everyone seems automatically to align the Rebellion with the Allies and the Empire with the Axis. I think the OP intention was to align a Star Wars ship to a real ship, not necessarily an entire faction of ships.

It helps that the design philosophy fits. IE like the Americans, the Rebellion's fighters tend to focus on hitting power, durability, and versatility (with the A-wing being the biggest outlier). Their ships may not be overwhelmingly superior in any one category, but are very much the sum of their parts.

The Empire's reliance on faster, more maneuverable, but significantly less durable ships very much reflects Imperial Japan. And like the Japanese, the Empire's ships that run against the grain (IE the TIE Advanced x1, Avenger, and Defender) were produced in far too small numbers to have a significant impact (much like the N1K2-J, Ki-61, and Ki-84).

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7 hours ago, ThinkingB said:

X-Wing: P-51 Mustang or a Corsair. Pretty good at most things, but the best at dogfighting. The ship that can fight, bomb, escort; anything that is needed. The precursor to "do everything" fighters like F-4s, F-15s, and now F-35s and the E-Wing in universe.

I'd put the X-wing as comparable to the P-47. A hard hitting, tanky aircraft that wasn't the most maneuverable. Excellent ground attack craft.

The P-51D and the Corsair both out performed their Axis counterparts, the ME-109, FW-190 and the A6M1 Zero respectively. I'd list the E-Wing as comparable to them. All three have good fire power,survivability and maneuverability.

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Since Star Wars fighters and dogfights are so heavily themed off WW2, I say keep to those counterparts...

And in such I would say the B-Wings WW2 counterpart would be the Il-2 Shturmovik. 

For those who don’t know, the Ilyushin Il-2 Shturomik was a ground-attack fighter from the (obvious) Soviet Union.  The plane was a beast, and loaded with cannons, rockets, and bombs.  While not especially fast, it had enough firepower to seriously damage even a heavily armored collumn, although the rockets were notably innacurate.  What’s more, was the plane’s almost legendary nickname, “The Flying Tank”.  The Il-2 was heavily armored, indeed almost excessively so.  The pilots generally viewed 20mm and 30mm AA guns as their primary threats, but 20mm guns weren’t usually very effective against them.  Indeed there are several stories from pilots of Il-2s being hit multiple times during a flight, and still managing to land despite perforated wings and in some cases worse.  Luftwaffe pilots even called it the Zementbomber, or Concrete Bomber. 

Another ship the Il-2 could represent, would be the Arc-170.  Indeed the cockpit and rear-gunner setup resembles the distinctive hunch of the aircraft.  

Edited by It’s One Of Ours

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the true difficulty in this is that we should compare armour grade, firepower, maneuverabilty, top speed, and some other factors. Now, in modern terms, 3rd to 5th generation modern fighters are not quite so easyly to be judged, for the most modern have seen few combat, and now weapons (missiles) if hit target destroyed them completely, and less and less they rely on gun firepower, such as Star Wars shows in starfighter combats. The only true parallelism could be done with WWI, WWII, and Korean War, with roles and some of informations we could historically get.

WWII is the period who inspired directly Lucas. The convention to name Red and Blue Squadron, for the Rebels, come directly from the Battle of England RAF squadrons. So I think too we should remain in the theme.

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45 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Other than a couple of plates set in front and behind the cockpit, no WW2 plane had armor...

Armor plating also existed for fuel tanks, engines, and other critical components. Zeros went up like Roman Candles because they lacked armor for the fuel tanks and self-sealing tanks.

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So, until now we could be tracing some parallels: Axis (not Italy, sorry, we were tragically not up the challenge during the war, except for a class or two of aircraft in specifical roles)  for the Empire, Soviets and France for Scum. USA and Great Britain for the Rebels.

TIE/Ln Starfighter: Mitsubishi A5M. Basic carrier fighter; Me.Bf109

TIE/In Interceptor: Mitsubishi A6M Zero. Evolved carrier fighter. Focke-Wulf Fw 190.

TIE/x1 Advanced: Nakajima J1N. An heavy fighter. Focke Wulf Ta 152/Me.262
TIE/ph Phantom: Kawasaki Ki-45. A quite good night fighter. Me.Bf110/Me.210/Me.410

TIE/sa Bomber: Mitsubishi Ki-51; A good light bomber - mention of honor for the Aichi embarked series (B7A, D1A, D3A). Here I have some pains: I would say the Dornier 217 ... but the T/B it's quite more similar to Focke-Wulf Fw189

TIE/Int Interdictor, aka Punisher: Mitsubishi G4M. A good medium bomber. Heinkel He 177 (the would-be german flying fortress...). The German equivalent is Junker JU 88.

Assault Gunboat: Yokosuka P1Y. A very good medium bomber.

 

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