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So a buddy of mine and I just split our money and bought the core set. We just spend a couple hours tonight figuring out the game and I am already looking at expanding my team.

I have my eye on the fleet Troopers and Princess Leia  because I liked them ever since I first saw their last stand in A New Hope. but first I wanted to see what you folks think of them? What's the standard team points you build for?

Would 2 Fleet Troops Expansions and Leia be enough for a team when combined with the Core set guys? Are they good?

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1 hour ago, Kingsguard said:

So a buddy of mine and I just split our money and bought the core set. We just spend a couple hours tonight figuring out the game and I am already looking at expanding my team.

I have my eye on the fleet Troopers and Princess Leia  because I liked them ever since I first saw their last stand in A New Hope. but first I wanted to see what you folks think of them? What's the standard team points you build for?

Would 2 Fleet Troops Expansions and Leia be enough for a team when combined with the Core set guys? Are they good?

Hi.  The game is amazing imo, welcome to it.

 

I cant recommend this highly enough for you for playing with and planning army/lists./ You put in the details and make choices and it shows you the points total you have.  

 

Select SW Legion and go

https://tabletopadmiral.com/

 

Have fun.

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Yes, and yes.  Effectiveness will depend on your tactics. Maybe pick up a Rebel Commandos expansion so you can put a sniper team in with your troopers to add some long range firepower.

Luke + Leia + 2x Rebel Troopers + 2 x Fleet Troopers + AT-RT + Commando team is a nice combined arms team. Standard army builds are 800 points so that gives you room for some upgrades.

What's you buddy plan for his Imperials?

(Oh -- and Miniatures Market is having a massive sale on Legion stuff right now -- $9 Airspeeder expansion, $45 Core set, etc. It's a good time to reinforce your army!)

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3 hours ago, Kingsguard said:

So a buddy of mine and I just split our money and bought the core set. We just spend a couple hours tonight figuring out the game and I am already looking at expanding my team.

I have my eye on the fleet Troopers and Princess Leia  because I liked them ever since I first saw their last stand in A New Hope. but first I wanted to see what you folks think of them? What's the standard team points you build for?

Would 2 Fleet Troops Expansions and Leia be enough for a team when combined with the Core set guys? Are they good?

Big sale on Miniature Market right now. Should be able to bulk up both sides on the cheap!

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5 hours ago, Hawkstrike said:

Yes, and yes.  Effectiveness will depend on your tactics. Maybe pick up a Rebel Commandos expansion so you can put a sniper team in with your troopers to add some long range firepower.

Luke + Leia + 2x Rebel Troopers + 2 x Fleet Troopers + AT-RT + Commando team is a nice combined arms team. Standard army builds are 800 points so that gives you room for some upgrades.

What's you buddy plan for his Imperials?

(Oh -- and Miniatures Market is having a massive sale on Legion stuff right now -- $9 Airspeeder expansion, $45 Core set, etc. It's a good time to reinforce your army!)

Snowspeeder looks nice n cheap. Would it synergize well in place of commandos?

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1 hour ago, Kingsguard said:

Snowspeeder looks nice n cheap. Would it synergize well in place of commandos?

It's fun. The T-47 really haven't held their own at a competitive level (too many points), but I think if you're playing casually it's a good complement to the rest of your army.

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1 hour ago, Kingsguard said:

Snowspeeder looks nice n cheap. Would it synergize well in place of commandos?

If you know you'll be playing each other, and not each building both factions, splitting 2nd core set is a really, really good idea. If you are cash strapped, it is the only advisable course of action.

The snowspeeder is much maligned by minmaxers but it is a good chunk of your 800 of points for $30. So that is a plus when you are just starting out. And it may get more "competitive" as more releases come out.

Don't forget the rules require a 3rd squad of corps. A lot of the hot new squads of troops are NOT corps. Splitting another basic set is the most efficient way, in terms of money, to get your 3rd corps squad. If you both buy a new box of corps troops, that'll cost $60 between you: may as well chip in on a bigbox for $75 (bargain hunter's price) and you'd get your 3rd corps unit, a 4th corps unit, an extra vehicle, barricades, and each have your own complete set of dice/rulers/cards. Use the extra Luke & Darth to practice painting on, or eBay them to save a couple bucks. Even at full sticker price another boxed game is the best bang for corps troops bucks.

Two basic game sets plus Leia equals two, legal, 800 point armies. You'll be playing the"real" game immediately if you get a 2nd core rules box.

If you are not hard up for money, and eventually want to collect both factions, don't split an extra core set, buy your own :)

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42 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

If you know you'll be playing each other, and not each building both factions, splitting 2nd core set is a really, really good idea. If you are cash strapped, it is the only advisable course of action.

The snowspeeder is much maligned by minmaxers but it is a good chunk of your 800 of points for $30. So that is a plus when you are just starting out. And it may get more "competitive" as more releases come out.

Don't forget the rules require a 3rd squad of corps. A lot of the hot new squads of troops are NOT corps. Splitting another basic set is the most efficient way, in terms of money, to get your 3rd corps squad. If you both buy a new box of corps troops, that'll cost $60 between you: may as well chip in on a bigbox for $75 (bargain hunter's price) and you'd get your 3rd corps unit, a 4th corps unit, an extra vehicle, barricades, and each have your own complete set of dice/rulers/cards. Use the extra Luke & Darth to practice painting on, or eBay them to save a couple bucks. Even at full sticker price another boxed game is the best bang for corps troops bucks.

Two basic game sets plus Leia equals two, legal, 800 point armies. You'll be playing the"real" game immediately if you get a 2nd core rules box.

If you are not hard up for money, and eventually want to collect both factions, don't split an extra core set, buy your own :)

I'm all about the rebels. I could talk to my buddy and maybe get a second core set but we'd just probably give each other the faction we don't like. lol. Would be nice to have more dice and tokens also.

So game rules require you to have at least 3 corps in your squad? That's...interesting. I should at least be good there since I have the two Rebel units from the Core set and soon two Fleet trooper corps.

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47 minutes ago, SirCormac said:

It's cheap but...um, it's the worst unit in the game. Probably not worth 9 bucks sadly.

That's a shame. The same thing happened in StarWars Miniatures from Wizards of the Coast. Snowspeeders were just too expensive for a single vehicle.

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2 hours ago, Kingsguard said:

That's a shame. The same thing happened in StarWars Miniatures from Wizards of the Coast. Snowspeeders were just too expensive for a single vehicle.

There’s a chance it will come into its own eventually. The game has a lot of maturing to do. Right now, you can play “the best” team for your faction. Eventually that will get very muddied with new units and keywords. I’d bet on a fix for the heavy vehicles down the line. 

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A standard game and points used for competitive play are 800 points.

Fleet Troopers and Leia are among the best units in the game.

If you can afford more, it would be good to get at least one more AT-RT and/or a Cammando expansion.

With Leia, 2 Fleet Troopers, 1 AT-RT and the Core set you have, you can do a basic, but good army like below, but the only problem is it’s best to be frugal with your points and not overbloat your units with upgrades. It’s better to have more units than to have fewer units with lots of upgrades on them. As some mentioned, if you could get another Core set, you could then do more. I purchased three Core sets and haven’t regretted it. Still, if you can’t, you can’t. Then the only thing I would recommend is the two Fleets, Leia, an AT-RT and a Commando, then you can make a pretty effective army and you’ll have nothing but good stuff.

Whatever you decide, stay away from the T-47, unless you have the money to spare. That thing looks good on paper, but just doesn’t work. Hopefully they’ll change it in the future, but for now, it’s just a piece of junk and not the kind that’s got it where it counts because the previous owner has put a lot of special modifications in it. ☺️🤓🤪

Wonder Twins Basic (799/800)
Rebels

Luke Skywalker (160)
 - Force Reflexes (15)
 - Force Push (10)
= 185 total points

Leia Organa (90)
 - Commanding Presence (10)
= 100 total points

Fleet Troopers (44)
 - Targeting Scopes (6)
 - Concussion Grenades (5)
 - Scatter Gun Trooper (23)
 - Fleet Trooper (11)
= 89 total points

Fleet Troopers (44)
 - Targeting Scopes (6)
 - Scatter Gun Trooper (23)
 - Fleet Trooper (11)
= 84 total points

Rebel Troopers (40)
 - Targeting Scopes (6)
 - Impact Grenades (5)
 - Z-6 Trooper (22)
 - Rebel Trooper (10)
= 83 total points

Rebel Troopers (40)
 - Targeting Scopes (6)
 - Z-6 Trooper (22)
 - Rebel Trooper (10)
= 78 total points

AT-RT (55)
 - AT-RT Laser Cannon (35)
= 90 total points

AT-RT (55)
 - AT-RT Laser Cannon (35)
= 90 total points

Commands: Coordinated Bombardment, Son of Skywalker, My Ally is the Force, No Time for Sorrows, Return of the Jedi, Somebody Has to Save Our Skins, Standing Orders

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15 minutes ago, JediPartisan said:

A standard game and points used for competitive play are 800 points.

Fleet Troopers and Leia are among the best units in the game.

If you can afford more, it would be good to get at least one more AT-RT and/or a Cammando expansion.

With Leia, 2 Fleet Troopers, 1 AT-RT and the Core set you have, you can do a basic, but good army like below, but the only problem is it’s best to be frugal with your points and not overbloat your units with upgrades. It’s better to have more units than to have fewer units with lots of upgrades on them. As some mentioned, if you could get another Core set, you could then do more. I purchased three Core sets and haven’t regretted it. Still, if you can’t, you can’t. Then the only thing I would recommend is the two Fleets, Leia, an AT-RT and a Commando, then you can make a pretty effective army and you’ll have nothing but good stuff.

Whatever you decide, stay away from the T-47, unless you have the money to spare. That thing looks good on paper, but just doesn’t work. Hopefully they’ll change it in the future, but for now, it’s just a piece of junk and not the kind that’s got it where it counts because the previous owner has put a lot of special modifications in it. ☺️🤓🤪

Wonder Twins Basic (799/800)
Rebels

Luke Skywalker (160)
 - Force Reflexes (15)
 - Force Push (10)
= 185 total points

Leia Organa (90)
 - Commanding Presence (10)
= 100 total points

Fleet Troopers (44)
 - Targeting Scopes (6)
 - Concussion Grenades (5)
 - Scatter Gun Trooper (23)
 - Fleet Trooper (11)
= 89 total points

Fleet Troopers (44)
 - Targeting Scopes (6)
 - Scatter Gun Trooper (23)
 - Fleet Trooper (11)
= 84 total points

Rebel Troopers (40)
 - Targeting Scopes (6)
 - Impact Grenades (5)
 - Z-6 Trooper (22)
 - Rebel Trooper (10)
= 83 total points

Rebel Troopers (40)
 - Targeting Scopes (6)
 - Z-6 Trooper (22)
 - Rebel Trooper (10)
= 78 total points

AT-RT (55)
 - AT-RT Laser Cannon (35)
= 90 total points

AT-RT (55)
 - AT-RT Laser Cannon (35)
= 90 total points

Commands: Coordinated Bombardment, Son of Skywalker, My Ally is the Force, No Time for Sorrows, Return of the Jedi, Somebody Has to Save Our Skins, Standing Orders

Good info, thanks.

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3 hours ago, SirCormac said:

It's cheap but...um, it's the worst unit in the game. Probably not worth 9 bucks sadly.

It’s not a hammer, it’s a scalpel, but some look at things and only see hammers.

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9 minutes ago, Derrault said:

It’s not a hammer, it’s a scalpel, but some look at things and only see hammers.

Sadly, it is one of the most inefficient scalpels in the game. However you slice it, it sucks. If you want a good scalpel, take Luke or Boba. I wish the thing worked, but it is near the bottom of every efficiency list. Considering how critical activations are in this game, it just isn't worth it when you can take 2-3 other units that will easily out damage it AND give you more activations.

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1 hour ago, SirCormac said:

Sadly, it is one of the most inefficient scalpels in the game. However you slice it, it sucks. If you want a good scalpel, take Luke or Boba. I wish the thing worked, but it is near the bottom of every efficiency list. Considering how critical activations are in this game, it just isn't worth it when you can take 2-3 other units that will easily out damage it AND give you more activations.

You mean Rebel troopers that attrit if something sneezes at them? Even if you aren’t maxing out corps units already, trooper damage drops real fast when they get obliterated off the board. As a cost comparison, 2 units of commandos with a sniper are approximately comparable, with on par expected damage once they get into range, but they also see that damage drop off after just a few casualties. The T-47 simply doesn’t get damaged as fast (thanks to armor) and even when it does, no damage drop off.

Luke is fine as far as it goes, but he has less firepower, can’t be upgraded to do even more damage (+4 black dice for 20 points is the most efficient dice upgrade in the game), is pretty much useless until he hits melee Range, and is substantially slower.

There’s little point comparing a Rebel unit to an Imperial unit like Boba, as there’s zero opportunity cost.

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The snowspeeder model is good, though, so you might want to snag one at the discount if you are okay with getting it for the joy of painting and displaying it until its possible redemption in the meta at some unknown point in the future.

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4 hours ago, SirCormac said:

Sadly, it is one of the most inefficient scalpels in the game. However you slice it, it sucks. If you want a good scalpel, take Luke or Boba. I wish the thing worked, but it is near the bottom of every efficiency list. Considering how critical activations are in this game, it just isn't worth it when you can take 2-3 other units that will easily out damage it AND give you more activations.

Gotta be high on the 'sound effects while moving it' chart though?

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First off, I need to echo what has been said about splitting a second core set. Actually, just buying a second core set even if you never do anything with one half of the faction is still a good deal (You have 3 $25 units for each faction plus 3 $15 accessories), but if you can split the cost, so much the better.

As far as other rebel purchases go...

-Fleet Troopers pack a lot of punch with their close range guns. Just don't expect to use their standby effect unless you use Han's diversion to make shooting them impossible.

-Leia is great. Han also has some cool effects, but there is some concern the upcoming release of Jyn Erso will crowd him out. Personally, I think it depends on the type of terrain you play with. Han is fantastic if you get him dug into the thick of things in an environment with lots of light cover, but suffers in a long range shooting gallery filled with heavy cover.

-The T-47 Airspeeder... has the firepower of 1 unit of imperial speeder bikes, the durability of perhaps 1.5 units of imperial speeder bikes, and is really upgrade hungry. Unfortunately, it costs almost twice as much as a unit of speeder bikes. It can do work, but most people would rather spend points on a unit that does something unique or just really well, rather than an inefficient knockoff of another faction's unit. Unfortunately, they fair particularly poorly against many Imperial units until they've been battered down, so you need to keep it hidden away from the fight until the Imperial Forces have been worn down, so it's going to struggle against your buddy once he has a full army.

-Rebel Commandos can be a terrifying glass cannon (hits like a truck, but very fragile) and/or a small annoying filler unit. Sniper teams are everywhere at the moment, although I'd personally discourage their use in friendly games as I really don't enjoy the tedious sniper duels that their proliferation causes.

-The Radar Dish gun is a solid way to lay down heavy firepower at long range.

-Chewbacca looks interesting and has some (only partially revealed) synergy with the 3 existing Rebel Commanders (Han+Chewie in particular looks like a lot of fun). He and his Wookiee brethren won't be in stores until mid-late December, though.

-Wookiee Warriors are a beefy melee unit. Not mandatory, but definately worth considering if you like the idea of a whole unit of walking carpets tearing up the place.

-The upcoming Specialist expansion includes a generic commander if you want to create a story about your own Rebel Leader as well as a number of new personnel upgrades that can be used to expand what your corps units can do. Worth a look once you've got a decent number of models, but not a great value in terms of points/dollar.

-The newly revealed Jyn Erso and Rebel Pathfinder expansions aren't due out until February, but do offer some interesting options. Jyn Erso looks terrifying even with some of her stuff still unrevealed, and the Pathfinders have some very interesting mechanics.

So, in short, any Rebel expansion apart from the Airspeeder is decent, and even that can still work.

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14 hours ago, Kingsguard said:

Cool. I'll check it out.

Hope you got some goodies. Leia and Fleet are sold out. T47 and ATRT still in stock as of this post.

If you’re playing with your friend, the t47 is thematic and instantly recognizable as Star Wars. Yes, the number crunching makes it the “worst” unit in the game for its points, but at $9 I think it’s solidly cheap to add to the collection. The only reason I didn’t buy one is I am all-in imperial only. There’s a friend of mine who I’ve played, and we each bring our respective heavy (t47 and atst). The game has always been super close to the end. I wouldn’t bring a t47 to a tournament, but when you’re just starting out and you’re playing with friends does it really matter? Odds are they’re not exactly taking optimum efficiency squads either (fwiw I DO bring the ATST to my game store as well, and I’m solidly middle of the pack).

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13 hours ago, SirCormac said:

Sadly, it is one of the most inefficient scalpels in the game. However you slice it, it sucks.

I slice it as a unit highly reminiscent of the rebels in ESB, and it doesn't suck, it does the job perfectly. Especially considering how few of those I have to choose from in Legion.

Edit: Put my money where my mouth is and ordered (my second) T-47 and AT-ST from MM. For the price of a single T-47 after shipping! Huzzah!

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Considering how critical activations are in this game, it just isn't worth it when you can take 2-3 other units that will easily out damage it AND give you more activations.

I left that way of playing behind me circa 2002. The day I go back to thinking like that, I've already lost a much bigger game in real life. $9 is a steal for a toy this detailed.

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