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It had to happen to someone I guess... our SW GM has lost all hope and now absolutely HATES SW - this is NOT a comedy/parody post if those that know my usual replies or PMs think, this is SERIOUS.

After ep8 & SOLO our GM gradually got annoyed at what Disleen have done to canon. He's selling (probably sold by the time I post this) all his FFG SW rpg stuff, just keeping the d6 core rules, he gave all his SW comics to a charity shop - people were queuing the next morning after word got around. He gave me the SW Monopoly Collector's Edition, which will be much played and looked after, me and my wife will be dragging that out over Chrimbo :D

He's keeping the board games but really seems depressed about it all... I've just accepted current trends and now realise that I am no longer the target audience, I still enjoy the original trilogy, prequels and R1. The FFG stuff is OCD'ed on my shelf in alphabetical order, Core - Adventures - setting splat - career splat.

Oh well.... maybe he'll come back around one day and regret getting rid of all his stuff... dunno ?

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I've been there too, about a year ago. I find much of the Disney stuff to be utter crap. I abruptly dropped a game I was running and gave away all of my SW comics and novels. I kept the RPG books on my shelves (and have even bought the last three to come out despite still having a bad taste in my mouth for SW because I want the complete line). Funny enough, Solo was what actually entertained me enough to bother posting here again. Maybe I'll give a SW RPG another try in another six months or so...

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I guess I can see the point of being so upset or distraught that one would decided to sell up and/or give up on the franchise.  To me, though, the great thing about role playing games is you can ignore anything that you don't like and play in the Star Wars world how you see it in your mind.  But that's me.  And I can certainly see the aggravation - they've done some things I'm not overly pleased with, too.  I try not to let it run my love for SW.

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I'm not sure what you might be able to do or say to change his mind, but I find it sad that he could become so soured on Star Wars because of the current films.

I grew up on Ep 4-6, and was extremely disappointed with Ep 1-3 when they came out. Yet my disappointment with them never diminished my love of Ep 4-6.

Maybe (very gently) point out that he can just ignore the new stuff and focus on the old.

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I don't get how a distaste of the current direction of Star Wars can sour your experience with an RPG in which you can just about make any story you want.

Although I am confused why he would keep his D6 books and not his others. It sounds like he just didn't like FFG's game. Which is reasonable.

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I mean, I can understand waning enthusiasm based on response to new material. Because Star Trek has Star Trek V, Voyager (lost me after four seasons), Enterprise (lost me after two seasons), and now Discovery (lost me after 40 minutes). But the original series, Next Generation,  Deep Space Nine, and the other movies still exist and are still just as enjoyable as they were before. So, yeah...I’ve been approaching new Trek material with increasing trepidation, but it hasn’t killed my appreciation of what’s come before that I did enjoy.

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I can see why he’s angry- Nucanon is bad in a lot of ways.

That being said, there’s no reason why you can’t play FFG’s system in Legends. You can do New Jedi Order (Yuuzhan Vong) or Jedi Civil War (Revan) or Republic Dark Age (Brotherhood of Darkness) or Pius Dea Era or Second Galactic Civil War (Caedus) or whatever you want. You’ll have to homebrew some things, but that will happen in any game.

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2 hours ago, ExpandingUniverse said:

I still enjoy the

 

prequels

Consider a different perspective, and that franchises can have seasons that are worth waiting for.

Star Wars defined my childhood. I saw two of the movies in the theater, watched all three endlessly on VHS, had a few but beloved Kenner toys, played X-Wing and TIE Fighter for hundreds of hours, and enjoyed the Lucasfilm fandom revival with high school friends in the mid- and late-90s.

Then I saw The Phantom Menace. Knew something was wrong. Watched it again, then one last time in 2000 and walked halfway out because it bored me. Didn't bother to see Episode II or III. Those movies pulled in crowds and made money, but outside of fandom there was no cultural impact. In the mid-2000s, I cut out a panel cartoon from the Wall Street Journal that had a kid asking his father, "Tell me again about when people cared about Star Wars." Books and comics drifted. Jedi this, Yuuzhan Vong what? I can't find who said this, but the quote is "Star Wars was pretty cool, once," and that's where I was 6 or so years ago.

My expectations of Disney movies were met: they're 7.5/10 crowd-pleasers for the most part. Chiefly attentive to visual style, formulaic but not amateurish or abstruse, pleasing rather than passionate, held back by the absence of editing and scoring that made Star Wars unique.

But the passage from Lucas to Disney is important for two reasons. First, because Star Wars is modern mythology — if you don't believe me, watch 1977 cast interviews in which jaded LA/NYC hosts are giddy as kids — it's important that the story can be told by anyone, and isn't perceived as George Lucas invoking some vision of an actual place far, far away. With enough care and skill and knowledge of the original inspirations, Disney or I or you or your GM can do it for the audience we have, for no other reason than because Star Wars (ANH) came from an environment in which George Lucas was only one of many creative pioneers.

Second, as I said initially, there are seasons. I don't like the Prequels, but I don't mind their influence on SWRPG, especially when FFG's commitment is to what made Star Wars so special in the first place. Disney doesn't have it completely right, but frankly, post-'83 Lucas didn't, either. What they've produced may have loose ends but it's all part of the tapestry and in time can be pulled into perspective.

I've never sold any Star Wars stuff, and don't intend to. Tell your GM to chill out and enjoy the ride.

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I loved Star Wars back when it was 4-6. I think I was on pre-deployment workup when The Movie That Isn't came out. I kept waiting for it to get better. It's Star Wars, it has to get better. Right? RIGHT??

 

It didn't.

 

The Movie That Isn't was such an abysmal piece of drek that I didn't even bother seeing 2 or 3 until a couple years ago. After watching the first two seasons of Rebels, which I loved, I decided to give The Clone Wars (animated series) a chance and I'm glad I did. Then I watched 2 and 3. Eh. I could edit them, heavily, and make one good film with about a 70 minute run time. 

 

Between what I've heard from people whose opinions have some weight with me, and what I've seen from various YouTube videos talking about the films, I'm glad I didn't bother to see 7 or 8. And I won't bother with 9, either.

 

On the other hand, I loved Rogue One, and if the irritating Droid hadn't been in Solo it would have been a lot more enjoyable. As it is I'm glad I saw it, and glad that I didn't pay movie theater price to do so. I can now name three movies that Woody Harrelson has been in where he didn't play Woody Harrelson.

 

I never got too deep into the books and comics that came out from the mid 80s until Disney took over, so maybe that's why I'm not as disgusted at Star Wars as your GM. To me, most of the EU/Legends stuff concentrated *FAR* too much on Luke, Leia, and Han. And some of the things I've read about that era are eyeroll inducing. Palpatine clones? Really? And then there's the Yozang Vong or whatever. Yeah, no. Not interested.

 

I have been buying quite a few of the trade paperbacks. Mostly Darth Vader, the Empire collection, and Doctor Aphra, but I also got the Thrawn one and two of the Clone Wars 'epic collection', and intend to get any others in that line. Also bought a few novels. The new one that's got two novels, one about Tarkin and one about Kanan and Hera, I enjoyed that. It's loaned out to a friend so I can't check the title right now.

 

Disney has done a better job than I had feared they'd do. Now if only they could figure out that there's a big difference between a PDF and a video game, and allow FFG to make PDFs of the books they produce. I'd still buy the hardcopy versions, but the electronic versions would see FAR more use.

 

Anyway, everyone has to do what they think is right for them. If your GM thinks this is what he needs to do for whatever reason, then that's just the way it is. Unfortunate, but oh well. As others have pointed out, maybe you could remind him that in the RPG's he's free to throw ALL of the Disneyplot in the bin if he wishes. At his table, Canon is whatever he as GM *says* it is. 

 

Also, condolences bud. If you end up not being able to play because of his disgust with Disneyplot, that really bites.

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While I get becoming disenfranchised with a universe, the magic of table top and RP is you can take it the direction you feel captures the heart of your beloved fandom. You don't like the modern movies, set the RP in timeline of the franchise you do prefer.  You wish they would have taken a different direction or just want to see what you could do with a campaign set in an alternate version of your favorite "galaxy, far, far away" do it! 

The freedom that comes with table top and RP is that you get to  craft your own personal version of Star Wars or what have you with your players and everyone's shared imaginations. 

To the OP, I am sorry your GM is moving on, but it might be time to recruit a new GM either from among the players, or from the outside. 

On the topic of the movies, Disney has been hit or miss with me, but I will say I do like the four movies they have produced so far better than any of the prequels, and for my money, Rogue One and Last Jedi are the best Star Wars movies that have been made since the original trilogy.  

Though I don't know that they will ever be able to capture the heart and soul that made the OT films timeless. 

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2 hours ago, 2P51 said:

The new movies have left me uninterested in GMing in the universe.

Funny realisation... To me it was the exact opposite. I will run my own bleeping "The Force Awakens" and "The Last jedi". And it will be highly likely the players will love it more than they do the original movies. because they are the new protagonists. And they will start with, well, starting characters who know just about Jack and Scheibe about their (future) abilities. They will make a true Hero's Journey, with hardships overcome, setbacks, and in the end, victory earned, rather than given.

RaaaaH!

Who's with me?

?

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1 hour ago, the mercenary said:

Disney has done a better job than I had feared they'd do. Now if only they could figure out that there's a big difference between a PDF and a video game, and allow FFG to make PDFs of the books they produce. I'd still buy the hardcopy versions, but the electronic versions would see FAR more use.

I don’t think it’s a matter of any party involved not knowing the difference, but rather convincing all parties involved that it’s worth the time and expense to renegotiate the terms of the various licenses, with at least one party doing it off cycle.

A different company being unable to release PDFs of their content doesn’t give EA any incentive at all to renegotiate the terms of their contract. While FFG gaining the right to print PDFs won’t impact EA in the least, one change opens the door to LFL saying, “As long as we’re changing things...” and make changes that do impact EA’s deal negatively (from their Certain Point of View [TM], at least).

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Not that I don't see many of the flaws people point to in the Disney movies (except Rogue One, which I thought was nearly flawless).  But seriously, anyone who would rather spend a couple hours with Hayden Christiansen or Jake Lloyd than with Daisy Ridley, John Boyega or Adam Driver has very different taste in movies from me.

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Sound like your GM needs a brake. He needs to go home and rethink his life :) or maybe you should sit in the GM chair a bit. Let him chill out as a player and run the SW universe how ever you see fit. Ignore the new movies if thats what you like its your story. Hope he comes back around.  

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31 minutes ago, DaverWattra said:

But seriously, anyone who would rather spend a couple hours with Hayden Christiansen or Jake Lloyd than with Daisy Ridley, John Boyega or Adam Driver has very different taste in movies from me.

For me, the actors don't matter nearly so much as the story. I can actually get into the world-building story of the Prequels-especially TPM--more than I can with the Sequels.

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13 minutes ago, Archellus said:

Let him chill out as a player and run the SW universe how ever you see fit.

If a lifeguard doesn't want to monitor a pool because the waters are full of piss, why would he/she want to jump in for a swim? This is why I told my last group, "Sorry, so not into SW right now. Run it if you like, but I don't want to be a player because I'll just bring others down. Have fun. Keep in touch."

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6 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

If a lifeguard doesn't want to monitor a pool because the waters are full of piss, why would he/she want to jump in for a swim? This is why I told my last group, "Sorry, so not into SW right now. Run it if you like, but I don't want to be a player because I'll just bring others down. Have fun. Keep in touch."

i dident mean force the guy :) if your burnt out your burnt out 

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12 hours ago, ExpandingUniverse said:

It had to happen to someone I guess... our SW GM has lost all hope and now absolutely HATES SW - this is NOT a comedy/parody post if those that know my usual replies or PMs think, this is SERIOUS.

After ep8 & SOLO our GM gradually got annoyed at what Disleen have done to canon. He's selling (probably sold by the time I post this) all his FFG SW rpg stuff, just keeping the d6 core rules, he gave all his SW comics to a charity shop - people were queuing the next morning after word got around. He gave me the SW Monopoly Collector's Edition, which will be much played and looked after, me and my wife will be dragging that out over Chrimbo :D

He's keeping the board games but really seems depressed about it all... I've just accepted current trends and now realise that I am no longer the target audience, I still enjoy the original trilogy, prequels and R1. The FFG stuff is OCD'ed on my shelf in alphabetical order, Core - Adventures - setting splat - career splat.

Oh well.... maybe he'll come back around one day and regret getting rid of all his stuff... dunno ?

Didn't read all the previous answers but to me

SW 4-5-6-1-2-3-Rogue One = Awesome (minus Jar Jar Binks, and the two star destroyers colliding like paper mache in Rogue One and the fact that they forgot to make a real Force field appear while that Japanese guy made his walk...)

But with all those previous success, they also mess it up with those Ewoke movies that nobody can remember

SW 7 was pure garbage but It gave peoples hope for a new start of the franchise...although I've profoundly hated it.  After SW 8 review, I've decided to never watch that movie ever....and I don't expect to watch Solo either.... and hey my friend who was all hopes up after SW7, well now he longer has... Disney had profoundly no idea what Star Wars was and what it needed to be to remain successful....even though Rogue One was awesome, it also felt that they didn't wrote the script at all...

So, yeah, why would I gave up all my fun memories and interests in the OLD star wars because Disney has chosen to **** on the franchise...

I'll just ignore completely what they do and disregard any of their work (except Rogue One).... this includes canon and everything...

The only way their going to get my interest back in what they do...  is by removing (acknowledging that these were garbage failed attempt by mediocre writers) all 3 garbage's movies from the story of star wars... (this includes I believe what people call canon ...etc) and start over with movies as good as Rogue One...

Edited by Mefyrx

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2 hours ago, DaverWattra said:

But seriously, anyone who would rather spend a couple hours with Hayden Christiansen or Jake Lloyd than with Daisy Ridley, John Boyega or Adam Driver has very different taste in movies from me.

Of course, you skip over Keira Knightly, Gin Clarke, Mary Oyaya and Nalini Krishan on screen there with Jake and Hayden. And if the extra's aren't what you are looking for, Natalie Portman, Ian McDiarmid, Ewan McGregor and Christopher Lee in more prominent roles should do as well.

We could compare lists of actors and actresses you like, but what's the point? I have seen good actors in bad movies and bad actors in good movies. To me, the prequels aren't the best of movies, but they line up as a single, coherent trilogy. In my opinion, the new 'trilogy' comes off as loose sand. One part is written, then the next is written by a different director who chooses to ignore plot hooks such as the Knights of Ren, kills off (power-) villains like Snoke, has Leia perform Force feats to which no one had hinted (just one line by Carrie, mentioning she had trained with Luke would have been sufficient to make her outer space scene even slightly more believable...). No appearent planning from 7 through 9. I have seen 7 and 8, liked them somewhat despite the plotholes, inconsistencies and a blattant rehash of the OT, but not as parts of a 9-movie coherent saga.

Back to the topic at hand. If somebody has been a fan of a franchise, and the franchise is changed (beyond recognition perhaps), such a fan might react. Again in my opinion, selling and giving away your stuff related to that franchise seems overreacting to me. But then again, that is just an opinion. I wouldn't do so. But you were right, no accounting for taste.

And the GM from the OP at least has the D6 stuff left (all manner of pre-Disney stuff, perhaps? Though the comics might be pre-Disney as well...). Not all hope is lost. Roleplay might still be had.

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34 minutes ago, Xcapobl said:

In my opinion, the new 'trilogy' comes off as loose sand. One part is written, then the next is written by a different director who chooses to ignore plot hook  . . . No appearent planning from 7 through 9. I have seen 7 and 8, liked them somewhat despite the plotholes, inconsistencies and a blattant rehash of the OT, but not as parts of a 9-movie coherent saga.

Back in college (the first time, early 90s), I played in some club-run RPGs that had revolving GMs. They had this exact problem too. I despised them.

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