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1 hour ago, Forgottenlore said:

I wouldn’t even double the points. Huge ships were always hideously over costed, just keep them as is so the format is more about huge ships. There’s already a thread in the epic section talking about how that works fine. 

I read some of it, here’s my question...

Would you use the ordnance tubes mod in epic 1.5? Or would you limit them to just hardpoint upgrades? I’d be worried that something gross like harpoons could come back if I opened it up.

and upgrades like crew are huge ship only ones, correct? 

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3 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

wow you really are self absorbed huh?  

 

3 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:

I’d rather play long, well, epic games as well. I’m just not so self absorbed that I think FFG should ignore the 99% of the fan base who want the core game updated and concentrate on fulfilling my needs right out of the gate. 

Yo, man, take pot shots at the right guy.  I only said we've waited a bloody long time already.

I also suspect that there are more than 1% that play Epic, at least sometimes.

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2 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

just take your epic-only stuff, double the point cost; play 2nd-edition epic

Yeah, that's great except for the lack of ANY NEW CONTENT for years.

I got into this game about Wave 3; the GR-75 and Corvette were not available yet, but had been announced.

I got bored of 100/6 pretty fast.  If I had known that Epic was going to be a joke in terms of support, it likely would have changed my level of commitment to the game.

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49 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

 

Yo, man, take pot shots at the right guy.  I only said we've waited a bloody long time already.

I also suspect that there are more than 1% that play Epic, at least sometimes.

Yeah, that wasn’t really directed at you, more the OP and V. You’ve actually been mostly pretty good about expressing you’re (shall we say, fervent) desire for epic’s reboot without coming across as entitled or overly impatient (note, I said overly). ?

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59 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

I read some of it, here’s my question...

Would you use the ordnance tubes mod in epic 1.5? Or would you limit them to just hardpoint upgrades? I’d be worried that something gross like harpoons could come back if I opened it up.

and upgrades like crew are huge ship only ones, correct? 

Honestly, I couldn’t say. While I would really LIKE to play more epic, I have no one to play with. If an opponent did materialize, I would want to do a quick run through of all the epic cards to try and spot any obvious breakages. 

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17 hours ago, Forgottenlore said:

J35u5 you people are impatient. The new editions only been out for a few months, wave 2 hasn’t even hit shelves yet, and they also have 2 whole new (and much more popular) factions they need to release and bring up to speed. If it’s not announced by waves 5 or 6 then maybe start complaining. 

Not really - people spent a lot of money on Epic toys, it’s legitimate that they want to be able to use them in 2.0 ASAP.

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I hope you guys are wrong about wave 4/5!  Given the investment in Epic ships (which some people bought primarily to acquire fixes for 1.0 small ships, so I think FFG kindaowe them some consideration there) I’d hope to see conversion kits for them in the first half of 2019 at the latest.

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9 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

Honestly, I couldn’t say. While I would really LIKE to play more epic, I have no one to play with. If an opponent did materialize, I would want to do a quick run through of all the epic cards to try and spot any obvious breakages. 

I’m somewhat in a similar boat. We had a summer epic league that was one game a month, but I’d like to get more in. At the same time, I don’t really want to go back to 1.0. I would be ok playing 1.5 but really want epic 2.0 (within reason, I’m willing to wait if next to the conversion boxes they drop prequel era epic ships). 

I would consider trying to organize a 1.5 format in my area if I have a good idea of what won’t be broken either in the favor of epic ships or the 2.0 content.

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2 minutes ago, mazz0 said:

Not really - people spent a lot of money on Epic toys, it’s legitimate that they want to be able to use them in 2.0 ASAP.

Want to, sure. But not to the point of being blind to the realities of manufacturing and insisting that a company redo 6 years of game development in 3 months. 

 

They have said they are going to redo epic. They have said they are updating stuff as fast as they can. Complaining before they have even had a chance to demonstrate whether that is true or not is just entitled whining. 

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13 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

Yeah, that wasn’t really directed at you, more the OP and V. You’ve actually been mostly pretty good about expressing you’re (shall we say, fervent) desire for epic’s reboot without coming across as entitled or overly impatient (note, I said overly). ?

Well, I only play Epic.  If Epic is dead, so is the game for me.  So my interest in Epic is VERY vested.

The promise that Epic is coming is getting to be a thin hope.  And, as I said, 2-3 years without new content is kinda BS.

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1 minute ago, Forgottenlore said:

Want to, sure. But not to the point of being blind to the realities of manufacturing and insisting that a company redo 6 years of game development in 3 months. 

 

They have said they are going to redo epic. They have said they are updating stuff as fast as they can. Complaining before they have even had a chance to demonstrate whether that is true or not is just entitled whining. 

The OP wasn’t doing any of that, they were just asking.

Now personally I’m more interested in the Republic than converting my Epic ships, but FFG could have prioritised getting Epic converted over selling new stuff, but they didn’t.  I think this is a commercial decision to delay Epic to prioritise other things rather than them doing it as fast as they can.

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7 minutes ago, Forgottenlore said:

Complaining before they have even had a chance to demonstrate whether that is true or not is just entitled whining. 

What they have demonstrated is that they are going to get another 2 brand new factions off the ground for Standard before they worry about Epic.

So while the Standard players get a ****-ton new options (to add to the 5 options they already have], Epic players are getting nothing but silence.

It's a little disingenuous for the Haves to tell the Have-Nots they are being babies.

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Makes me think of epic in warhammer 40k. We had to wait like 20 years or so and then we found it was not all it was hyped to be only playing a game or two per year after release. Was never really worth paying the cost of the titans and usually ended up just being really huge games with the smaller models.

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So what epic ships could we expect for Separatists and Republic? that would seem to be the most likely source for a new 2.0 epic. Couple new ships, and a conversion kit to tide us over till re-releases.

personally I could see the Consular class for the Republic, not sure what the Separatists had in that size.

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24 minutes ago, mithril2098 said:

So what epic ships could we expect for Separatists and Republic? that would seem to be the most likely source for a new 2.0 epic. Couple new ships, and a conversion kit to tide us over till re-releases.

personally I could see the Consular class for the Republic, not sure what the Separatists had in that size.

Hard Cells and possibly the Lucrehulk command sections (they were able to undock and move independently, though I'm not sure they were hyperspace capable)? Um.. Gozantis (they apparently had access to them..) Really drawing a blank. Not sure the landing ships would work, though I could see them as escort mission objectives...

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the landing ships unfortunately are freaking huge, 210 meters, though that may be wingspan rather than length.

and the Lucrehulk coreships are 696 meters in diameter, making them way way to big for X-wing.

Hardcell's are bigger than the landingships (220 meters).. and they are supposed to be very limited (just a couple nose guns, no shields.. not even repulsors.)

a Gozanti might work, and could probably be adpted from the C-roc model, but that just seems a bit cheap to me.

maybe the Aurore class Freighter, using a truescale version like the Gozanti and C-roc? at 52 meters is is borderline Epic scale..

same for the Trident Class Assault Ship.. which frankly looks so bizarre that i'm not sure it would sell well.

 

honestly, the small Separatist stuff is so obscure i'm not sure they'd sell all that well.

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1 minute ago, mithril2098 said:

the landing ships unfortunately are freaking huge, 210 meters, though that may be wingspan rather than length.

and the Lucrehulk coreships are 696 meters in diameter, making them way way to big for X-wing.

Hardcell's are bigger than the landingships (220 meters).. and they are supposed to be very limited (just a couple nose guns, no shields.. not even repulsors.)

a Gozanti might work, and could probably be adpted from the C-roc model, but that just seems a bit cheap to me.

maybe the Aurore class Freighter, using a truescale version like the Gozanti and C-roc? at 52 meters is is borderline Epic scale..

same for the Trident Class Assault Ship.. which frankly looks so bizarre that i'm not sure it would sell well.

 

honestly, the small Separatist stuff is so obscure i'm not sure they'd sell all that well.

Yah I spaced the dimensions on the Hardcell and kind of figured the coreship would be too big. As I said, I was more or less drawing a blank. The Gozanti if introduced (for it's third freaking faction...) would likely be closer to the Imperial version than the C-ROC. I can see the Aurore though I was thinking they may avoid it due to the slaver association (I completely spaced the Generic YV-666 pilot... oops) so didn't bring that one up. The Trident would make the Cthulu crowd happy for certain... :)

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6 hours ago, FlyingAnchors said:

You don’t use your X-wing models as stand ins for armada fighters? Amateur. ?

That would make my proposal for a Scaled Down Star Destroyer in Epic seem rather normal

;)

Maybe that is what is taking so long, they are making a Star Destroyer model for Epic 2.0:P

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3 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:

Well, I only play Epic.  If Epic is dead, so is the game for me.  So my interest in Epic is VERY vested.

The promise that Epic is coming is getting to be a thin hope.  And, as I said, 2-3 years without new content is kinda BS.

I doubt we will hear anything until at least Gencon 2019, it would make sense to do it as some sort of big announcement.

3 hours ago, mazz0 said:

Bale Organa’s proto-CR-90?

Oh, and I think some of the gorgeous chrome Naboo shuttle/yachts/barges are too big for standard - I’d pay any amount of money for them (provided they got the chrome finish right).

That is the CR-70, I suspect we'd get the weaponized Consular-Class Cruisers as seen in Clone Wars. 

5 minutes ago, skotothalamos said:

on announcement day (May 1st) they said it was in the works for the future and probably about a year out from initial release (so, Septemberish of 2019)

Makes sense, Gencon would likely be the place to announce something like Epic's conversion to the main game. 

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8 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

wow you really are self absorbed huh?   just because you dont care doesnt mesn no one does. many people only or mostly played epic in 1.0, and its fair to wonder how many years FFG is going to ignore us. plus for those of us waiting to convert the epic kit is part of conversion cost, so knowing how that works is important.

Bullseye. Thats it exactly Vontoothskie. Why reinvest more hard earned $ into 2.0 when epic is still in limbo. Im not an epic player but i own 3 epic ships. like many here I got roped into buying in to get those rare upgrade cards that were only released in epic namely vader ship with fixes and C3-PO when that was the only way to get him.

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On 11/11/2018 at 7:16 AM, Da_Brown_Bomber said:

What happened to epic format? is it dead? dormant? poised for a revamp?

I’m sure they will release an upgrade pack, although I’m not sure if they will lump some or all ships together.  It might make sense for them to finish balancing/introducing all the small ships befor they bring in the big boys.

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