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Ok, I haven’t even finished painting my first 800pts but I have started buying pink foam and I am having too much fun carving hills!!! ??

I am trying to consider the movement and cover rules for Legion while I build stuff and I was just curious if other people were on the same page...

I am using 1”inch thick pink foam stacked to build my forest hills.

Trooper Minis:

A Trooper Mini standing next to a section of 1” pink foam looks about the same height as a barricade so I figure those rules apply:

One Layer of 1” Foam:

-Is Difficult Terrain to move up or down the 1” tall edge.

-Trooper Minis behind the hill get heavy cover and can shoot over it.

2” of pink foam seems to be slightly taller than the Trooper Minis. So you can’t shoot over it and moving up anything 2” thick up to 6” would be a regular Climb or Clamber.

AT-RT:

I’m a rebel player and a big fan of the AT-RT! My model is 3.5” tall and even though vehicles can’t normally move over terrain that is half it’s height or more the Climbing Vehicle rule says to treat it as a Trooper Mini for Vertical Movement. 

So a 2” stack of pink foam would provide heavy cover to an AT-RT but allow it to shoot over. And the AT-RT could walk up onto the stack as Difficult Terrain.

If I have a 3” stack of pink foam my AT-RT could peak over it to shoot and walk up onto it as Difficult Terrain as well?!

AT-ST:

I don’t own a model of the Imperial AT-ST but from what I’ve read they can be built about 9” tall up to 12” depending on the stance. So they could step up onto a 4” tall stack right? But they can’t step or climb onto anything 6” or taller.

 

Whoa, that got really long in a hurry! Whoops. 

Does that sound about right?

 

I’d love to build some stuff that’s up to Range Two (12”) tall. I need some sniper towers or something! Tall cliffs! I dunno. ?

I might post some pictures for fun/examples...

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6 minutes ago, BenBot said:

Ok, I haven’t even finished painting my first 800pts but I have started buying pink foam and I am having too much fun carving hills!!! ??

I am trying to consider the movement and cover rules for Legion while I build stuff and I was just curious if other people were on the same page...

I am using 1”inch thick pink foam stacked to build my forest hills.

Trooper Minis:

A Trooper Mini standing next to a section of 1” pink foam looks about the same height as a barricade so I figure those rules apply:

One Layer of 1” Foam:

-Is Difficult Terrain to move up or down the 1” tall edge.

-Trooper Minis behind the hill get heavy cover and can shoot over it.

2” of pink foam seems to be slightly taller than the Trooper Minis. So you can’t shoot over it and moving up anything 2” thick up to 6” would be a regular Climb or Clamber.

AT-RT:

I’m a rebel player and a big fan of the AT-RT! My model is 3.5” tall and even though vehicles can’t normally move over terrain that is half it’s height or more the Climbing Vehicle rule says to treat it as a Trooper Mini for Vertical Movement. 

So a 2” stack of pink foam would provide heavy cover to an AT-RT but allow it to shoot over. And the AT-RT could walk up onto the stack as Difficult Terrain.

If I have a 3” stack of pink foam my AT-RT could peak over it to shoot and walk up onto it as Difficult Terrain as well?!

AT-ST:

I don’t own a model of the Imperial AT-ST but from what I’ve read they can be built about 9” tall up to 12” depending on the stance. So they could step up onto a 4” tall stack right? But they can’t step or climb onto anything 6” or taller.

 

Whoa, that got really long in a hurry! Whoops. 

Does that sound about right?

 

I’d love to build some stuff that’s up to Range Two (12”) tall. I need some sniper towers or something! Tall cliffs! I dunno. ?

I might post some pictures for fun/examples...

 It is totally right. can’t wait for you to post some pictures.??

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6 hours ago, Brightguy said:

These seem pretty close to the standard rules with the exception of the elevation changes being difficult terrain, but there is always the option to declare terrain as difficult pre-battle.  

Good looking hills.

I am tying to confirm how the standard rules apply, not anything super custom or house ruled.

Maybe a single layer of 1” foam might be consider a “Hill”?

I’m having trouble cutting out an image from the rule book but it has a chart that labels:

“Hills and Dunes”

-Light Cover

-Open Movement for everyone

 

I haven’t tried sculpting slopes and ramps yet but I think if a 1” tall hill is sloped it would be Open Movement but if it’s an almost vertical 1” ledge it would be Difficult to move over the edge...

 

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The rules don't cover every sort of terrain.  They do say...  A unit can change elevation up to the height of it's leader without having to climb/clamber.  So that would be yes for 1", and no for 2".  Making it difficult seems fine to me.  All terrain is clarified / defined up front.  Sometimes woods are difficult, and sometimes they are not.  Even the same woods game to game depending on what players define.

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Base Size Measurements:

Small Base: 1-1/16” Dia.

Medium Base: 2” Dia.

Large Base: 2-3/4” Dia.

Huge Base: 4” Dia.

 

I picked up a 1.4 FD Laser Cannon the other day which is my first “Huge Size” base. So now I can measure all the different base sizes for reference when making terrain!

I am going to try to make gaps, bridges, and hill tops/building tops at least 4” wide from now on unless I want to make a sniper nest or something... ?

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On 11/11/2018 at 11:14 PM, BenBot said:

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Here was our table from the other night. Making progress! 

We ended up playing the 1” rises as open terrain and it felt about right.

Our deployment was The Long March so not having every ridge be Difficult Terrain was nice... ?

Where do you acquire this foam?

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2 hours ago, Pooleman said:

Where do you acquire this foam?

It's in the insulation section at your Home Depot/Lowes/Big Box Hardware store. It has the Pink Panther on it if you buy the pink one. Blue is out there too, but I think that's what they have in Europe.

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33 minutes ago, Force Majeure said:

It's in the insulation section at your Home Depot/Lowes/Big Box Hardware store. It has the Pink Panther on it if you buy the pink one. Blue is out there too, but I think that's what they have in Europe.

I got some green stuff and it doesn’t seem as workable as the pink stuff. 

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Is it the floral foam? That stuff is... Not ideal.

You can pick up a sheet of the pink foam for $5 and get quite a bit of terrain out of it. Another option is expanding foam that comes in can, also in the insulation section. That takes a little more finesse to get to do what you want but it's great stuff.

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On 1/21/2019 at 8:32 AM, Force Majeure said:

Any updated pics on your terrain?

My wife just gave birth to our second child in December so my terrain projects have been sidelined for a bit.

I was last working on a Yavin 4 Temple piece.

I just managed to get some Modge Podge on those large low hill prices today so hopefully they’ll be painted up soon-ish. 

On 1/21/2019 at 1:20 PM, Pooleman said:

Where do you acquire this foam?

Like Force Majeure said it’s the pink foam from hardware stores. It’s a rigid foam insulation and there are a few kinds but the pink foam is the one you want.

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Yes and.

You can always declare before a game that for this battlefield, 1 layer of foam, regardless of actual thickness, counts as more or less than that, as long as you keep them all the same the games should run smoothy.

You can think of a layer of foam as equaling outlines on a countour map. In those, you only and always get a new line every X feet of elevation change. So the outline of a piece of foam is like a line on the contour map.

Need a steeper or less steep battlefield? Change the scale of the contours on your "map". Suddenly a single layer of foam blocks LOS, or only provides light cover, according to the needs of the game you are trying to have.

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I made the assumption that the average mini would be about 6 ft. tall and doors 32- 36 inches wide.  However, I am using the 1:33.9 ratio everything in inches.  I do have to add 1/4" of height to my buildings and structures because of the mini's pedestal.  I think the Skywalker home I am building will look correct in scale.  The digital model from photographs looks as should, but it is my first attempt at scale model from scratch.  The dome is looking nice. 

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On 1/23/2019 at 12:28 AM, Force Majeure said:

@BenBot congratulations on the new baby! Once they get to around 4 months or so, you'll be able to leave the house to go game. At least that was the case for me. Sleep when you can!

I think I went to game night like, the first night my 2nd kid was home from the hospital. But then, I married a superheroine.

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