[MAFIA] And then there were. . .? - Ended

[PodRacer 1,077]

L-2?

 

Surely thats gotta be a talking point.

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

54 minutes ago, LTD said:

It's important we vote someone if only to get results of the voting, and the estimated 30% success rate of getting a scoundrel.

I'm trying to understand this. If we kill a town (70% chance, with how little information we have), wouldn't we be killing ourselves faster? If we kill clon and find out he's innocent, what information would that give us? 

Now that there's a train on clon I'm not sure if I want to vote to lynch him, although I think he's my number 1 suspicion right now. 

Could it possibly be better to wait for the first Mafia kill, then decide on a lynch after that?

This is my first time playing semi-open setup, so if you have a good reason for lynching on D1 I want to listen. But after voting to lynch three innocent towns in the last game I played, I want to be cautious. 

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

##unvote temporarily. 

I may vote again before countdown is up if people can convince me its a good idea. 

[Caldias 2,209]

10 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

I'm trying to understand this. If we kill a town (70% chance, with how little information we have), wouldn't we be killing ourselves faster? If we kill clon and find out he's innocent, what information would that give us? 

Now that there's a train on clon I'm not sure if I want to vote to lynch him, although I think he's my number 1 suspicion right now. 

Could it possibly be better to wait for the first Mafia kill, then decide on a lynch after that?

This is my first time playing semi-open setup, so if you have a good reason for lynching on D1 I want to listen. But after voting to lynch three innocent towns in the last game I played, I want to be cautious. 

Emphasis is mine. A no-vote is always a bad idea for town because even if the first lynch flips town, we have information to go off of, such as who voted for that townie to die, which helps us find the scum players.   Voting for no one just allows the scum free reign to sow fear, uncertainty, and doubt.  If we no-vote Clon will probably be looked at just as hard on day two, only this time it will be with one less (or possibly more) players.

[PodRacer 1,077]

Yeah, there was this guy @TheToad who suggested a no lynch once. 

It didn't work out well for him.

In a recent game as a jester I suggested a D1 no lynch in an attempt to be the D1 lynch.

The two go hand in hand.

I'd get that vote back up before anyone noticed it slipped, but that's just me ?

[Matt3412 486]

well i don't believe i will be back by end of day so good luck everyone.

[clontroper5 4,232]

*Sigh* fine I will return to a thoughtless stupper...

 

[PodRacer 1,077]

:^\

[Madaghmire 7,274]

6 minutes ago, Bertie Wooster said:

I'm trying to understand this. If we kill a town (70% chance, with how little information we have), wouldn't we be killing ourselves faster? If we kill clon and find out he's innocent, what information would that give us? 

Now that there's a train on clon I'm not sure if I want to vote to lynch him, although I think he's my number 1 suspicion right now. 

Could it possibly be better to wait for the first Mafia kill, then decide on a lynch after that?

This is my first time playing semi-open setup, so if you have a good reason for lynching on D1 I want to listen. But after voting to lynch three innocent towns in the last game I played, I want to be cautious. 

So as a rule of thumb, we want to lynch D1 for a few reasons-

1. We can only kill scum during day phase. Not taking that opporunity is essentially handing them a free pass.

2. Seeing how people vote is information, and any and all information we can gather helps. Good scum players may not make that one glaring mistake. We may need to piece together a scum game from seemingly innocuous actions that add up when taken together. As such, we want to garner as much information as possible about or fellow players so we can begin to decipher whose loyalties lie where. 

3. This information also allows our investigstive and protective roles some insight as to whom to target.

Yes, more often then not, a D1 lynch will lead to a town death. But the point of it is information anyway. 

Warning as well, (which as I write this Pod also gave you) pushing for a nolynch is generally considered a scumtell. Honestly I would like you as a push now more than I like the current train against Clon, except that I read it as a common new player misconception and am inclined to believe thats whats happening.

Clon, anything interesting to say? This train feels like a random shot in the dark but its also getting very late in the day, figuratively and literally.

 

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

I've been lectured into submission, I will go with the collective wisdom. Thanks everyone!

##vote clontroper5

Mafia can suck it!

 

[LTD 2,241]

So that’s four votes - I don’t want to be the hammer and I dot want to be left off the train.

## vote clontroper5 (he’s always imperial anyway)

[clontroper5 4,232]

Not sure if there is anything interesting too say...

I'm town, I posted "hmm...Thinking..." With the purpose of making sure people knew I wasn't completely oblivious of this thread as I had a very busy day and hadn't been able to post anything or really review everything and make a reasonable accusations. I didn't have anything interesting to say so I "thought"

 

[clontroper5 4,232]

I do have an ability that I am confident will help the Town though and would like to use it tonight,

[PodRacer 1,077]

Pretty sure LTD put you to L-1, so now's the time to spill

[LTD 2,241]

Yes - time to be specific Clon.

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

My suspicions of clon grow with every post. I don't like the vagueness, it doesn't seem like a good town play. 

[clontroper5 4,232]

Okay, I'm a paranoid gun owner. 

[clontroper5 4,232]

I was vague since I believe my ability losses a ton of power when the Scum know about it

[LTD 2,241]

## unvote

Unless someone else wants to claim PGO.

Time to join another train.

## vote Bertie Wooster 

[PodRacer 1,077]

Why Bert?

[LTD 2,241]

He has voted against him.

[LTD 2,241]

*votes 

 

[PodRacer 1,077]

I'm personally inclined to believe Clon is scum trying to out the actual PGO at this point....

[Caldias 2,209]

Oh interesting.

On one hand, it's perfect scum cover in case someone thinks about investigating him.  Esp since there's no guarantee there is a PGO in the game anyway, he can claim it and hope no one counter claims.  Would be a bold play, but potentially one that leaves him exonerated and free to operate.

On the other hand, it's also possible he's telling the truth.  We may not have a cop, but if we do, that cop could at least verify clon's innocence. 

Assuming Clon is telling the truth, would he be willing to forgo activating his ability for us to validate his claim? Of course, if he does, that might open him up to a mafia night kill.

Not sure what the best way to go given this info would be.  Lots of ifs here.

[PodRacer 1,077]

I don't think clons in any danger of being the scum nk so far...