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Hello again everyone.  In this thread and post I am going to be keeping as up to date as I can with the spoilers that have been seen for the big box, Children of the Empire.  After I've had some time to do some analysis, I'll put that here as well.  For the moment we just have the 10 cards.

The original of the spreadsheet I maintain is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GmAPhAh0Efi-bZ_bizsETTAGBnYrS7BkIj_ZqmOtn9M/edit?usp=sharing

My current guess is 9 cards per clan, 5 provinces and 14 neutral.  The 6 one-ofs are the provinces: 1 for each element + Toshi Ranbo, but that's wild speculation TR won't fit in the setup now, so it's probably the Emperor, possibly as a holding.  I have noted speculation with italics.

There are a number of cycles of cards in this set:

  • Composure cards: we have Lion, Phoenix, Scorpion, Unicorn and most of Mantis, meaning we lack Crab, Crane and Dragon. (Might be no Crab?)
  • Challenger cards: we have all the Challengers.
  • Story events: we have Crab, Phoenix, Lion, Scorpion and Unicorn, meaning we lack Crane and Dragon.
  • 4-Cost characters: we have all the 4-costers.

Overall, we lack 1 Province, 9 Dynasty (6 character, 3 holding) and 9 Conflict ( 4 attachment, 5 event) cards.  We have almost 80% of the cards.

Pack Card Name Faction Deck Type Traits Rules Cost
6CotE 1 Kiku Matsuri   Neutral Province Air Festival.    
6CotE 2     Neutral Province Earth      
6CotE 3 Illustrious Forge   Neutral Province Fire      
6CotE 4 Temple of the Dragons   Neutral Province Void Temple.    
6CotE 5 Midnight Revels   Neutral Province Water      
6CotE 6 Daring Challenger   Crab Dynasty Character Bushi. Duellist.   2
6CotE 7 Yasuki Procurer   Crab Dynasty Character Courtier.   2
6CotE 8     Crab Dynasty Character     3
6CotE 9 Hida Yakamo Y Crab Dynasty Character Bushi. Berserker. Duellist.   4
6CotE 10 Heavy Ballista   Crab Dynasty Holding      
6CotE 11     Crane Dynasty Character     2
6CotE 12 Courtly Challenger   Crane Dynasty Character Courtier. Duellist.   2
6CotE 13     Crane Dynasty Character     3
6CotE 14 Kakita Toshimoko Y Crane Dynasty Character Bushi. Duellist.   4
6CotE 15 Kakita Dojo   Crane Dynasty Holding Dojo.    
6CotE 16     Dragon Dynasty Character     2
6CotE 17 Prudent Challenger   Dragon Dynasty Character Bushi. Duellist. Courtesy 2
6CotE 18 Tranquil Philosopher   Dragon Dynasty Character Monk.   3
6CotE 19 Mirumoto Hitomi Y Dragon Dynasty Character Bushi. Duellist   4
6CotE 20 Mirumoto Dojo   Dragon Dynasty Holding Dojo.    
6CotE 21 Honourable Challenger   Lion Dynasty Character Bushi. Duellist.   2
6CotE 22 Ikoma Orator   Lion Dynasty Character Courtier.   2
6CotE 23 Student of War   Lion Dynasty Character Bushi.   3
6CotE 24 Matsu Tsuko Y Lion Dynasty Character Bushi. Berserker. Daimyo.   4
6CotE 25     Lion Dynasty Holding      
6CotE 26 Fire Tensai Acolyte   Phoenix Dynasty Character Shugenja. Fire.   2
6CotE 27 Sincere Challenger   Phoenix Dynasty Character Courtier. Duellist.   2
6CotE 28 Sage of Gisei Toshi   Phoenix Dynasty Character Courtier. Scholar.   3
6CotE 29 Isawa Ujina Y Phoenix Dynasty Character Shugenja. Void. Elemental Master.   4
6CotE 30     Phoenix Dynasty Holding      
6CotE 31 Loyal Challenger   Scorpion Dynasty Character Courtier. Duellist.   2
6CotE 32 Midnight Prowler   Scorpion Dynasty Character     2
6CotE 33     Scorpion Dynasty Character     3
6CotE 34 Social Puppeteer   Scorpion Dynasty Character Courtier.   3
6CotE 35 Shosuro Hametsu Y Scorpion Dynasty Character Shinobi. Daimyo.   4
6CotE 36     Unicorn Dynasty Character     2
6CotE 37 Honest Challenger   Unicorn Dynasty Character Bushi. Cavalry, Duellist.   2
6CotE 38 Ide Negotiator   Unicorn Dynasty Character Courtier. Cavalry.   3
6CotE 39 Shiotome Heroine   Unicorn Dynasty Character Bushi. Cavalry. Battle Maiden.   3
6CotE 40 Utaku Kamoko Y Unicorn Dynasty Character Bushi. Cavalry. Battle Maiden.   4
6CotE 41 Aspiring Challenger   Neutral Dynasty Character Bushi. Duellist. Mantis Clan.   2
6CotE 42 Seppun Hidden Guard   Neutral Dynasty Character Bushi. Imperial. Yojimbo.   2
6CotE 43 Humble Magistrate   Neutral Dynasty Character Courtier. Imperial. Magistrate.   3
6CotE 44 Righteous Magistrate   Neutral Dynasty Character Courtier. Imperial. Magistrate.   3
6CotE 45 Akodo Toturi Y Neutral Dynasty Character Bushi. Champion. Imperial   5
6CotE 46 Hantei XXXVIII Y Neutral Dynasty Character Imperial. Emperor. Mythic.   6
6CotE 47 Miya Library Y Neutral Dynasty Holding Imperial. Library. 1/Deck  
6CotE 48     Neutral Dynasty Holding      
6CotE 49     Crab Conflict Attachment      
6CotE 50 Honoured Nodachi   Crab Conflict Attachment Weapon. Restricted. 2
6CotE 51 Smuggling Deal   Crab Conflict Event     0
6CotE 52 In Defence of Rokugan   Crab Conflict Event     1
6CotE 53 Iaijutsu Master   Crane Conflict Attachment Skill.   1
6CotE 54 Storied Defeat   Crane Conflict Event     1
6CotE 55 Try Again Tomorrow   Crane Conflict Event     0
6CotE 56     Crane Conflict Event      
6CotE 57     Dragon Conflict Attachment      
6CotE 58 Mirumoto Daisho   Dragon Conflict Attachment Weapon. Restricted. 2
6CotE 59 Magnificent Triumph   Dragon Conflict Event     0
6CotE 60 Karmic Balance   Dragon Conflict Event Philosophy.   2
6CotE 61 True Strike Kenjutsu   Lion Conflict Attachment Technique.   2
6CotE 62 Hand to Hand   Lion Conflict Event     0
6CotE 63 The Fires of Justice   Lion Conflict Event   Void Only. 2
6CotE 64 Glorious Victory   Lion Conflict Event     3
6CotE 65 Unmatched Expertise   Phoenix Conflict Attachment Technique. Fire Only. 0
6CotE 66 Gift of Amaterasu   Phoenix Conflict Event Spell. Fire.   1
6CotE 67     Phoenix Conflict Event      
6CotE 68 Subdue the Spirits   Phoenix Conflict Event     2
6CotE 69 Infiltrator's Tools   Scorpion Conflict Attachment     0
6CotE 70 Kirei-ko   Scorpion Conflict Event Poison.   1
6CotE 71     Scorpion Conflict Event      
6CotE 72 Miyako's Undertaking   Scorpion Conflict Event     2
6CotE 73     Unicorn Conflict Attachment      
6CotE 74 Jewel of the Khamasin Y Unicorn Conflict Attachment Item. Meishodo.   2
6CotE 75 Challenge on the Fields   Unicorn Conflict Event     0
6CotE 76     Unicorn Conflict Event      
6CotE 77     Neutral Conflict Attachment      
6CotE 78 Unveiled Destiny   Neutral Conflict Attachment   Seeker Only. 2
6CotE 79 Defend your Honour   Neutral Conflict Event   Keeper Only. 0
6CotE 80 Stay Your Hand   Neutral Conflict Event     0
6CotE 81 Warm Welcome   Neutral Conflict Event     1
6CotE 82     Neutral Conflict Event      
Edited by Tonbo Karasu
The Son of Heaven

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My assumption is that this product will be "evergreen" (not to be rotated out) and so will not have the Scorpion Toshi Ranbo province.  I think it will be in the next cycle.

I'm thinking the 6 will be role or strongholds.  Non-clan provinces are really nice to have 3 of so you can add them to other decks.

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Thank you.

After consideration, I am even more convinced that card 6 will be Toshi Ranbo.  If this is to be an evergreen set, then it should have either 7 Strongholds or none.  Likewise for roles, I'd expect 5 possibly elemental ones, not 6, unless something really weird is going on.  Toshi Ranbo is a big Prize for a clan, so I feel it ought to be in a permanent set, and it wasn't in the Scorpion one.

So, I reckon 5 new neutral provinces, 1/element, and Toshi Ranbo.  Then about 5 Dynasty Cards per Clan, about 7 neutral ones, including Akodo Toturi and Hantei XXXVIII, possibly also Daisetsu and Sotorii.  Finally about 4 conflict cards per clan and about 6 neutral.

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I agree that Toshi Ranbo will be in the set.

Since this set is boasting about having an array neutral characters, I would think there would either be a neutral stronghold or a role card so as to make said neutral characters competitively playable. As things currently stand, any Clan that could much make use of the neutral characters pretty much has an in-clan character with better stats and abilities for the same cost.

Also, all the clans are getting additional strongholds in the clan packs, so I don't know that additional extra strongholds will be necessary here.

Anyway, I don't see why simply because a card of something is printed in this set that it has to be a permanent fixture of the setting. The initial set had Akodo Toturi as Lion Clan Champion and now this set has a neutral aligned version of him.

And the set promises a card of the Emperor-- but I feel like the Scorpion are likely to hold onto Toshi Ranbo longer than the Hantei XXXVIII is likely to continue occupying the throne.

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2 hours ago, TheHobgoblyn said:

And the set promises a card of the Emperor-- but I feel like the Scorpion are likely to hold onto Toshi Ranbo longer than the Hantei XXXVIII is likely to continue occupying the throne.

Well, we also have Hida Tomonatsu in the core set, which is evergreen (allegedly), and she was killed off the first fiction she was featured in, so...longevity is hardly a requirement to be a card, it seems. ;)

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3 minutes ago, Tabris2k said:

No, that’s actually Roshambo.

BTW, has anyone noticed that you (and your opponent) can actually resolve this ability indefinitely, potentially discarding all attachments in the conflict? 

Oh that was spotted, and confirmed in the AMA when the preview was dropped, as soon as the card came out.  Really if your opponent uses the discard themselves effect that is on them but I don't see it getting past the first round of hot potato before one player or the other determines that their attachments are more valuable than an opponents.

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13 minutes ago, AradonTemplar said:

"A Crane won't tear your arms off for beating them. Lion Crab are known to do that."

"Let the wookie win."

Fixed that for you.  If anything the Lion will debate the use of Paper as a counter defense to Scissors as with a sufficiently large bundle of paper (the way that Akodo Ken used in 613 when he defeated Daidoji Jan) the Scissors are unable to cut the Paper and so the Paper would still win out over the Scissors.  And then while you are trying to figure out if that's true he hits you with the ambush kick, for "As long as one does not surrender he will never be beaten, and the determined mind and sound body is the greatest weapon any Lion can bear." "Victory comes from finding opportunities in problems."

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9 minutes ago, Schmoozies said:

If anything the Lion will debate the use of Paper as a counter defense to Scissors as with a sufficiently large bundle of paper (the way that Akodo Ken used in 613 when he defeated Daidoji Jan) the Scissors are unable to cut the Paper and so the Paper would still win out over the Scissors.

Or Lion Pride Brawler just grabs the stack of paper and beats their opponent into submission with it.

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I like how Dragon are so dangerous with unknown bombs. Gotta play around Restoration. Gotta play around Feast or Famine. Gotta play around their Monk Shrine. Gotta play around this guy now, if your hand is high.

It's hard to keep your balance against them and avoid their traps, but there's so many options or possibilities they really feel a bit inscrutable.

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Hey, it could be worse.

It could make it so that the players have to return fate tokens to the fate pool until they have only as much as the player with the fewest, choose provinces to break until they only have as many as the player with the fewest and discard personalities until they only have as many as the player with the fewest like some cards called "Balance".

Edited by TheHobgoblyn

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