Irrepressible Optimism {mafia} Concluded

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

##vote Lord Preyer

[Matt3412 486]

I ask don't punish us for making the most out of D1 with nothing going on and an opportunity for us to share our mutual admiration for a game of pazaak.

[Lord Preyer 556]

3 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Yeah, I'm going to 

##vote Lord Preyer.

Gambling away you vote is ridiculous with so many scum still around. 

Odds were good of what? Not you winning, obviously. Of you stealing a vote from a scum? The odds were greater that you stole it from a townie. And if you lost? What if you lost it to a scum? In my opinion it was a dangerous chance to take, if indeed it was a chance.

Granted, it seems odd that a scum would risk losing his vote, but then again, maybe he only lost it to a scum. . .

 

It's not a solid case, but it's the best I have today. All the talk has revolved around gambling, which has caused a distraction from the main point. I therefore am suspicious of all those who started anything to do with gambling. However, Lord Preyer was the one (IIRC) who suggested the whole 'Give up my vote' scheme, which Pod and Matt immediately accepted no question. I am therefore voting for LP, but am keeping a close eye on the other two.

1) I’m a pretty good Pazaak player so thought I would win and this would potentially help Town as it could potentially reduce a Scum vote (which of us knowing we were Town wouldn’t want to have more sway over the game rather than less?)

2) It’s totally in character! ☺️

3) Rather than write my 3,498th D1 ‘please people let’s talk about something or else time will run out’ post I figured it would be more fun to do something that was flavourful, potentially of benefit and would stimulate discussion during what is usually a RNG experience. Ta daaaaa!!

Thus I hope you (and @Bertie Wooster & @Visovics) see that my actions whilst appearing suspect to you are not in fact Scumtells. Please look elsewhere! 

[Lord Preyer 556]

1 hour ago, Matt3412 said:

I like how as soon as vis and gnips are called out for being quite they both come on and vote for LP, 

I'm gonna go ahead and use me and LP's vote on the one who seconded and created a trian.

##vote GNIPS

##vote GNIPS [from LP]

I think we were both willing to gamble our votes because we were good allowing if anything more power gained in a very unique way.

For @LTD‘s benefit (and to make it official that I honour my gambling debts):

##vote @GhostofNobodyInParticular

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

1 minute ago, Lord Preyer said:

1) I’m a pretty good Pazaak player so thought I would win and this would potentially help Town as it could potentially reduce a Scum vote (which of us knowing we were Town wouldn’t want to have more sway over the game rather than less?)

When the option is more or less, but not the same, I would rather remain the same, since the potential for going less rather than more still seems to me to be 50-50. You say you are a good player - how do you know he isn't better? What does being a good player even mean? It's a chance, which card will flip, sending you over the limit of 20. Why would you risk a vote on that chance?

1 minute ago, Lord Preyer said:

2) It’s totally in character! ☺️

So?

[Lord Preyer 556]

45 minutes ago, Caldias said:

I have to say, gambling away a vote does seem pretty reckless.

https://goo.gl/images/hh1Nao

[Lord Preyer 556]

3 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

When the option is more or less, but not the same, I would rather remain the same, since the potential for going less rather than more still seems to me to be 50-50. You say you are a good player - how do you know he isn't better? What does being a good player even mean? It's a chance, which card will flip, sending you over the limit of 20. Why would you risk a vote on that chance?

So?

1) I guess we just have different philosophies of risk and reward! ?

2) I consistently try to play in the style of the character and game we are involved in. So when I have an idea of how to run with that, I do! This one was irresistible!

[Constantine Valdor 101]

I smell Imperials in the air

## vote GNIPS

[clontroper5 4,232]

Hmm, interesting... It seems we have some suspision of GNips...

Any particular reason why?

[PodRacer 1,077]

Not sure I agree with the gnip wagon today,  the post at bottom of p5 leans town to me. 

 

[PodRacer 1,077]

Thinking hard about an LP vote just now

[Constantine Valdor 101]

I suspect Vis, LP, GNIPS

LP for suggesting the vote deal, then again if he's agent, an extra D1 vote doesn't matter since town got majority

Vis for calling out the game, direct LP vote, and not giving any alternative to do. Direct vote if troubling

GNIPS why too scared of betting vote, like I said before, an Extra D1 vote still not enough to guarantee a hammer, because agents and sabo doesn't communicate if the game rules stays the same

I want to hear Vis and GNIPS defense if you're town, LP can be dealt with D2 if we lose a town tonight.

I just want to find the Basdak behind all this

[Lord Preyer 556]

11 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

Thinking hard about an LP vote just now

Well Pod, I think you know why and how I play the way I do well enough. And you yourself were organising a (semi?)random game - although I’m sorry it didn’t come to fruition. 

If you think you smell scum on me so be it, but I would urge you to look at others  (who has been quiet?) before you execute an innocent Pazaak player! 

 

[Lord Preyer 556]

21 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

Thinking hard about an LP vote just now

Well Pod, I think you know why and how I play the way I do well enough. And you yourself were organising a (semi?)random game - although I’m sorry it didn’t come to fruition. 

If you think you smell scum on me so be it, but I would urge you to look at others  (who might be scummarining? Or even was @Visovics sudden move into the game an example as CV said of direct voting?) before you execute an innocent Pazaak player! 

 

[Bertie Wooster 1,857]

19 hours ago, Lord Preyer said:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/pazaak-clone/9nblggh4nfz8?activetab=pivot%3aoverviewtab

loser gets droid’d?

As you wish.

[GhostofNobodyInParticular 2,493]

38 minutes ago, Constantine Valdor said:

GNIPS why too scared of betting vote, like I said before, an Extra D1 vote still not enough to guarantee a hammer, because agents and sabo doesn't communicate if the game rules stays the same

I am not afraid of the betting vote, I just find it an irresponsible and anti-town action. It doesn't guarantee a hammer, but it has the potential to shift the balance of power just that much more in scum's favor. It means one less person they need to convince. Sure, they don't know who they each are, which helps us some, but at the same time, that is irrelevant day one, when they wouldn't be coordinating anyway (unless they all end up voting among themselves, of course).

My point being that I am voting LP purely because his actions have the potential to be anti-town, and that is not something I think any townie should do. It is not a 100% solid case, but it is a case, and D1 that is the best I can hope for.

[Lord Preyer 556]

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I am not afraid of the betting vote, I just find it an irresponsible and anti-town action. It doesn't guarantee a hammer, but it has the potential to shift the balance of power just that much more in scum's favor. It means one less person they need to convince. Sure, they don't know who they each are, which helps us some, but at the same time, that is irrelevant day one, when they wouldn't be coordinating anyway (unless they all end up voting among themselves, of course).

My point being that I am voting LP purely because his actions have the potential to be anti-town, and that is not something I think any townie should do. It is not a 100% solid case, but it is a case, and D1 that is the best I can hope for.

I get this and respect it - even though it means Town will lose a Town if you persist and achieve a majority (though I am of course a little disappointed I haven’t swayed you GNIPs!). Regardless, this post feels Town to me. If my vote were my own it (in line with my actual suspicions) would go towards Vis instead who checked in, went dark and broke cover just to vote against me. GNIPs in comparison has laid out a case, engaged in back and forth, and given off decent pro-Town vibes. 

[clontroper5 4,232]

I somewhat agree with Gnips assessment.. (looking at you @Lord Preyer) however I want to preserve my vote for the time being.

 

@PodRacer what is this roulette game of yours?

[Constantine Valdor 101]

any one know how much time we got left? ## unvote

## vote @Visovics

Placeholder and maybe final if I don't have his defense on time.

[Gengis Jon 222]

As usual, I’m feeling completely unsure of what to make of all this Day 1 back and forth. It all feels so random.

[Matt3412 486]

can we get a vote count and timer @LTD

[Matt3412 486]

or does anyone know where we stand i'm a bit confused at this point?

[Gengis Jon 222]

16 hours ago, LTD said:

 

[Gengis Jon 222]

I wasn’t sure if it would, but that ?????? is updating.

[Matt3412 486]

so this is what i just saw im probs wrong

GNIPS:  (Matt, LP)

LP: (VIS, GNIPS, Bertie)

VIS: (Con valor)