4th Cycle - The Circle Undone

[Jobu 720]

9 hours ago, Soakman said:

I'm curious about your take on this. He seems, to me, like a hands-off kind of guy, or at least that's what I imagine. Wealthy playboys rarely have to get their hands dirty and while getting to have fun with the byproducts of illicit activities, I don't see him being a real rogue at heart. Is it just because of the wealth = resources = rogue? I still don't see him as a good candidate thematically for cards like Streetwise, pickpocketing, burglary, etc. Some rogue cards make sense, while others seem odd to me.  

His backstory does mention that he wasted much of his fortune on gambling and women, but just going to a casino does not make one streetwise. What if he was a seeker with access to cards that gain resources? (Not that they need that with Milan Christopher, lol)  He may very well be a rogue, but then either Danielle would have to be a seeker (unlikely) or we'll be getting a different seeker... Can't wait to find out. 

His picture is on High Roller (rogue card).  Also Jenny is a Rogue.  He is a Rogue for the same reason as Jenny, whatever that is.

[Burgie1996 9]

Anyone had any luck at translating the mystic card we can see half of? The art looks awesome!!

[Khudzlin 734]

11 minutes ago, Burgie1996 said:

Anyone had any luck at translating the mystic card we can see half of? The art looks awesome!!

I can make out "when a card" (there's probably an adjective on the next line), "enemy" (can't make out the rest of the line), "effects (choose one):", "lose resources" and "or receive horror"; I can't make out the reminder text.

[C2K 246]

based on the words show, one of the words in the title of the Mystic card could be "Existence". 

Based off of what words are shown on the card, its probably a Fast action that when you are effected by an encounter card, you can choose to ignore one of the following penalties, and the rest still occur.

[zooeyglass 327]

On 11/9/2018 at 5:25 PM, CSerpent said:

How about Darrell for the Seeker?  I mean, he's 100% a Seeker, right?  And rooted in Arkham itself.

Darrell is a great shout. We've seen True Understanding in TFA and then Vantage Point in the as-yet-unreleased-but-its-in-two-days Shattered Aeons (and the card was announced alongside the pack announcement), both with Darrell-esque art. Could be a little Darrell hint! 

[Khudzlin 734]

It's fun to see the speculation.

[Allonym 954]

I had completely forgotten about Darrell, a Photographer seems like a very strong possibility with the high society and investigating disappearances theme!

With that in mind, if I were a betting person, I would be putting my money on Tommy as Guardian, Daniela as Rogue, Darrell as Seeker and Charlie as Neutral.

I wonder what kind of new themes we'll see in mechanics? By this I mean, keywords and card design that follow a common mechanical theme (not just new keywords without specific synergies). For instance, the Dunwich Legacy added Permanent assets for all classes, Unidentified for Seekers and Exile for Survivors; the Path to Carcosa added Composure talents and Bold for Guardian with a theme of benefit for your first action; and The Forgotten Age went much further in this regard with Upgrade events for Guardians, "uses (secrets)" and Relic synergy for Seekers, "dredge" decks and the Improvised keyword for survivors, Illicit synergy and the Fated keyword with a theme of benefit for your last action for Rogues, Seal mechanics for Mystics and the 'benefit depending on number of connecting locations' gimmick.

[Duciris 1,347]

34 minutes ago, Allonym said:

I had completely forgotten about Darrell, a Photographer seems like a very strong possibility with the high society and investigating disappearances theme!

With that in mind, if I were a betting person, I would be putting my money on Tommy as Guardian, Daniela as Rogue, Darrell as Seeker and Charlie as Neutral.

I wonder what kind of new themes we'll see in mechanics? By this I mean, keywords and card design that follow a common mechanical theme (not just new keywords without specific synergies). For instance, the Dunwich Legacy added Permanent assets for all classes, Unidentified for Seekers and Exile for Survivors; the Path to Carcosa added Composure talents and Bold for Guardian with a theme of benefit for your first action; and The Forgotten Age went much further in this regard with Upgrade events for Guardians, "uses (secrets)" and Relic synergy for Seekers, "dredge" decks and the Improvised keyword for survivors, Illicit synergy and the Fated keyword with a theme of benefit for your last action for Rogues, Seal mechanics for Mystics and the 'benefit depending on number of connecting locations' gimmick.

Well, we're already getting multiclass cards.  I suspect there will be specific themes within the dual aspects.  From The Secret Name product page:

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"As a new cycle begins, you will need new tools to help you battle these unholy forces. To help you with this task, some of the new player cards in The Secret Name belong to more than one class."

If we were to construct a circle (clockwise or counter-) out of the five classes, we would have: Guardian - Seeker - Rouge - Mystic - Survivor.  I hate using a Magic-ism, so instead of saying Ally/Enemy colors, I will say that if two colors are neighboring on the circle they are Complementary and if they are not that they are Opposing.  All 4 cards we've seen from The Secret Name are Opposing, missing only a Guardian-Rouge card.  If indeed that only "some of the new player cards" are multiclass, then I expect to see just that one more - the rest including a single level 0 card for each class.  I am further speculating that we will see Complementary-multiclass cards in the second pack.

It's interesting to me that the Deluxe doesn't include any of these cards.

So far, the traits of each card have been in-step with both of its parent classes - Tome for Seeker-Mystic, Relic/Weapon for Mystic-Guardian, Illicit for Rouge-Survivor, and Charm for Survivor-Seeker.  I wonder if the themes of these multiclass cards will similarly prove to be reflections of their parentage, or if they will create their own.  At 2 classes per card, we end up with 10 new card families.  Will we see 1 new card for each such family every 2 packs (3 total for each), or will they grow them faster than that?  My dislike for Magic implied above, I can't help but think of Ravnica and its Guilds of multiclass themes.

Edited November 13, 2018 by Duciris
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[Khudzlin 734]

If we constructed the wheel based on the Core investigators, we'd get Guardian - Seeker - Mystic - Survivor - Rogue (Roland is Guardian/Seeker, Daisy is Seeker/Mystic, Agnes is Mystic/Survivor, Wendy is Survivor/Rogue and Skids is Rogue/Guardian). We also have some pairings crossing that wheel (Minh is Seeker/Survivor, Sefina is Rogue/Mystic and Yorick is Survivor/Guardian).

[Duciris 1,347]

I could really go for a new preview of The Circle Undone or Dunwich Legacy going into Thanksgiving weekend.

[zooeyglass 327]

12 hours ago, Duciris said:

I could really go for a new preview of The Circle Undone or Dunwich Legacy going into Thanksgiving weekend.

Yeah, I've been wondering if we'd get maybe a new investigator announced this week. Usually (though not in any hard or fast fashion), news comes out on Tuesdays and Fridays for Arkham Horror... BUT this week is Thanksgiving, right? Maybe a Wednesday article treat?!

[Duciris 1,347]

3 hours ago, zooeyglass said:

Yeah, I've been wondering if we'd get maybe a new investigator announced this week. Usually (though not in any hard or fast fashion), news comes out on Tuesdays and Fridays for Arkham Horror... BUT this week is Thanksgiving, right? Maybe a Wednesday article treat?!

It is.  I thought I'd subtly remind our out-of-state brethren about why they'll stop releasing information on Thursday & Friday.

Let's see.  We're expecting Dunwich: Return before Circle and we've seen the announcements for both plus the first mythos pack, but that's it.  At some point, one of these (Return) is going to be shipping here.  I really want another Circle investigator (and to look at Diana's backside (oh my!)).

I was really impressed by the Core: Return.  I wasn't expecting much, and it really added a lot for me.  As a result, I now expect much more for the Dunwich: Return.

[Khudzlin 734]

1 hour ago, Duciris said:

and to look at Diana's backside (oh my!).

It's quite interesting, to be sure.

[Veve7 35]

Spoiler:

It is *almost* sure the investigators are: Carolyn, Marie(yes 2, mystics!), Diana, Rita.

It is a  quess that Daniela will be too.

So the Seeker could be Norman,Amanda,Harvey etc.

 

[Carthoris 248]

Marie, really? Two Mystics? Crazy. But I'll be glad to finally get Marie.

It seems unlikely they'd put Marie, Carolyn, and Norman all in the same box! And he's practically a third Mystic.

But your "almost sure" list has four ladies. The seeker would need to be a guy, I think. Harvey sounds reasonable.

Where did Rita get spoiled? I remember seeing her in connection with The Circle Undone, but I can't recall where.

Edited December 3, 2018 by Carthoris

[CSerpent 520]

20 minutes ago, Carthoris said:

Marie, really? Two Mystics? Crazy. But I'll be glad to finally get Marie.

It seems unlikely they'd put Marie, Carolyn, and Norman all in the same box! And he's practically a third Mystic.

But your "almost sure" list has four ladies. The seeker would need to be a guy, I think. Harvey sounds reasonable.

Where did Rita get spoiled? I remember seeing her in connection with The Circle Undone, but I can't recall where.

A trade magazine showed some art work that included some signature cards (see the Wages of Sin thread on Reddit).  

Wasn't there a spoiler earlier about six investigators?  Maybe it's the five standards, plus Diana as a sixth, thematic investigator, like Lola but not Neutral.  It would make sense for Diana to have her own story like Lola did.

I'm still going with Darrell for Seeker.

Edited December 3, 2018 by CSerpent

[Assussanni 528]

24 minutes ago, CSerpent said:

A trade magazine showed some art work that included some signature cards (see the Wages of Sin thread on Reddit).  

Wasn't there a spoiler earlier about six investigators?  Maybe it's the five standards, plus Diana as a sixth, thematic investigator, like Lola but not Neutral.  It would make sense for Diana to have her own story like Lola did.

I'm still going with Darrell for Seeker.

I can’t see the Reddit thread you mentioned, but Rita was spoiled on an image of Circle Undone cards on the Spainish FFG website. The website also says that there will be 10 investigator cards, presumably the 4 prologue investigators plus 6 regular investigators.

Edited December 3, 2018 by Assussanni

[Eldan985 360]

I really doubt that it would be Norman this cycle. As someone argued somewhere, Norman as the only Seeker in a cycle would mean there's no one who can take high-level seeker cards. It would basically be three mystics, no seeker,  once the XP come in.

[Carthoris 248]

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2090267/new-cards-spoilered-spanish-site-including-new-inv

Notes 6 'gators including Rita.

[Allonym 954]

So now that we have that much more information about the investigators in the campaign, I think we can refine our speculation about who else might be coming.

If Carolyn Fern means there's going to be a Dreamlands connection, Luke Robinson seems like the obvious choice for Seeker, though the high society connection still makes Darrell Simmons a possibility.

While the idea of Charlie Kane as a neutral investigator has a lot of popularity, I think that Seeker is most likely, followed by Guardian, so we might still see him. Seeker has some support ability (for instance, Charles Ross, Esq. has a strong "share the wealth" support theme) and Guardian has a lot of leadership. Charlie's incarnation in Eldritch Horror has a decent Observation alongside his strong Influence (and Intellect in the Card game corresponds to Influence in the board games, see most Parley tests and the Persuasion card), so Charlie with a strong Intellect seems logical, and his original incarnation in Arkham Horror 2e had a really high Fight stat, one less than Mark Harrigan and one more than any of Zoey, Yorick, Roland or Leo, so Charlie who can handle himself in a fight would not be unprecedented. With Carolyn we'll have a Guardian who can't fight (at least not with Combat), so it would make sense to have a Seeker who can. Alternatively, in the same vein, we might see Joe Diamond as a seeker with strong combat ability, and a private eye would make sense as a character investigating a disappearance at a high society event.

Additionally, since we have Carolyn and her very esoteric deckbuilding requirements, we might see some others in a similar vein, much like how all the Dunwich investigators share the same deckbuilding theme. It would make sense for Diana to have a similar deckbuilding spread to Carolyn, with something like 'cards that Cancel or Ignore' alongside a more restricted Mystic selection much like how Carolyn has 'cards that "heal horror"'. The same could be true for a theoretical Charlie, something like "Seeker 1-3, Guardian 0-1, Rogue 0-1, cards that "gain resources" 0-5" or whatever.

Daniela Reyes still seems like a strong possibility for Rogue, and since Daniela is also a bit of a badass fighter she could pick up the fighting slack from Carolyn being a non-combatant - it's high time we got some rogues with proper Combat stats. Of course, ya boi Preston Fairmont is also still in the running for Rogue, as the high society theme fits the literal Millionaire, and in Eldritch Horror and Mansions of Madness he can handle himself in a fight just fine.

[CSerpent 520]

Thinking about it, this is the best thing they could do with Marie.  Making her the only Mystic in a deluxe would mean everyone who already had her would be shorted an investigator.  The novel gators are fine -- they're alternate art with replacement signatures.

Edited December 4, 2018 by CSerpent

[Veve7 35]

Spoiler: New mystic skill, 1 wild, gains 1 additional wild if there are at least 3 doom in play, and returns to hand, I guess.

[rsdockery 537]

First off, here's the ad that's got everyone excited (check page 11).

43 minutes ago, Veve7 said:

Spoiler: New mystic skill, 1 wild, gains 1 additional wild if there are at least 3 doom in play, and returns to hand, I guess.

That would be absurdly overpowered. It's basically a free +1 to every for everyone at your location, with an additional +1 when there's 3+ doom on the table. Not even a level 5 Exceptional card should be quite that strong.

The actual text is: "While there are three or more doom [...] Prophecy gains ? (while th[...] doom in play, Prophecy g[...]"; it probably just gains a willpower icon at reduced doom levels.

 

[Veve7 35]

3 minutes ago, rsdockery said:

First off, here's the ad that's got everyone excited (check page 11).

That would be absurdly overpowered. It's basically a free +1 to every for everyone at your location, with an additional +1 when there's 3+ doom on the table. Not even a level 5 Exceptional card should be quite that strong.

The actual text is: "While there are three or more doom [...] Prophecy gains ? (while th[...] doom in play, Prophecy g[...]"; it probably just gains a willpower icon at reduced doom levels.

 

Ok mine is  op,unless it is at really high doom,like 7, to return, but that is too underpowered. Worse than Unexpected Courage. Maybe two wills?

[rsdockery 537]

You're right; two willpower seems reasonable.