4th Cycle - The Circle Undone

[Duciris 1,347]

AH3 links the Silver Twilight to Yog-Sothoth.  As Yog was in Dunwich, I am doubting that we'll see them in this.  I think the organization can be tied to summoning anything that will get Carl Sanford enough power.

[Eldan985 360]

The Silver Twilight has always been linked to YS, yes. They have titles like Knight of the Outer Void, too, and their leaders are wizards. 

[pipnmic 1]

Hi everyone. After a quick read of Lovecraft's "Dreams in the Witch House" (which introduces us to Brown Jenkin And Keziah) i would hazzard a guess that this cycles big bad is Nyarlathotep, with possibly Azathoth putting in an appearance right at the end. I'm personally hoping that we will also see a scenario set in 17th century Salem. As always, this game builds beyond my wildest expectations, and i am loving it! (despite the brutal assault of the Forgotten Age campaign) Love & Light to one and all.

[Allonym 954]

29 minutes ago, pipnmic said:

Hi everyone. After a quick read of Lovecraft's "Dreams in the Witch House" (which introduces us to Brown Jenkin And Keziah) i would hazzard a guess that this cycles big bad is Nyarlathotep, with possibly Azathoth putting in an appearance right at the end. I'm personally hoping that we will also see a scenario set in 17th century Salem. As always, this game builds beyond my wildest expectations, and i am loving it! (despite the brutal assault of the Forgotten Age campaign) Love & Light to one and all.

I'd be surprised and disappointed if the big bad turns out to be Nyarlathotep. There's a lot of really big, cool things for Nyarlathotep to get up to, and I'd hate to see him wasted on this when a story centred on the witch-cults of Arkham and the Silver Twilight and so on could get by just fine without him. For instance, a Masks of Nyarlathotep (mega-)campaign, or as the central threat of a Dreamlands campaign.

He certainly does appear in Dreams in the Witch-House, in his avatar of the Black Man of witches, but that's more like his little arthouse side-project pretending to be Satan for witches, not his headline stadium act.

Having said that, I would not be surprised if he showed up in some form (though perhaps not as the primary and central antagonist), particularly since in some incarnations Nyarlathotep isn't even directly antagonistic (maybe he'll offer the investigators power and info, at a price) and there's certainly room for multiple campaigns where Nyarlathotep makes a big appearance given that he has such huge flexibility. We may even end up going to Providence to deal with the Haunter in the Dark later in the Circle Undone...

 

2 hours ago, Eldan985 said:

The Silver Twilight has always been linked to YS, yes. They have titles like Knight of the Outer Void, too, and their leaders are wizards. 

Kind of, but their early incarnations have also had strong links to Cthulhu, Nyarlathotep and the Outer Gods in general, and in other incarnations have been somewhat benign. I'm considering putting together an in-depth primer for the history of the Silver Twilight in the run-up to the Circle Undone, but I don't know if that's something that would be interesting to people.

[Duciris 1,347]

3 hours ago, Allonym said:

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He certainly does appear in Dreams in the Witch-House, in his avatar of the Black Man of witches, but that's more like his little arthouse side-project pretending to be Satan for witches, not his headline stadium act.

Having said that, I would not be surprised if he showed up in some form (though perhaps not as the primary and central antagonist), particularly since in some incarnations Nyarlathotep isn't even directly antagonistic (maybe he'll offer the investigators power and info, at a price) and there's certainly room for multiple campaigns where Nyarlathotep makes a big appearance given that he has such huge flexibility. We may even end up going to Providence to deal with the Haunter in the Dark later in the Circle Undone...

That's how I want to see him.  Not necessarily in TCU, but over time.

3 hours ago, Allonym said:

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Kind of, but their early incarnations have also had strong links to Cthulhu, Nyarlathotep and the Outer Gods in general, and in other incarnations have been somewhat benign. I'm considering putting together an in-depth primer for the history of the Silver Twilight in the run-up to the Circle Undone, but I don't know if that's something that would be interesting to people.

It would be!  I only know them from FFG's Arkham Files games, and although I feel this is their version and they will take and do their own interpretive narrative with it (and well they should), I would be interested in knowing what has come before and what the order has been.

[phorcys12 60]

I think the story would be about a fight between the Silver lodge, on the side of Yog, and with the witchs, on the side of Nyarlathothep, but not as a main antagonist, more like the emissary of the nuclear chaos, Azatoth. Salem could be central, with a possible link to "the strange case of charles Dexter Ward"  which is linked to Salem too. In this one, There is an incantation from Yog who permite to rebirth dead things, possibly the origins of the undead feeling. THen, in " the haunter of the dark" the protagonist pray Yog for have a protection against the haunter, avatar of Nyarla. 

Moreover, I would see a trip in dreamlands, who bring to to the court of the sultan-king, azatoth, but with the choice to made it by the help of the lack pharaoh, avatar of Nyarlathotep in the dreamlands, or with the help of  Imr-at-Tawil, avatar of Yog in the dream-lands.  Why I think that ?? for many reasons... in "the witch-house", or in "the dreamquest of kadath", the protagonist go in the realm of Azatoth by dreaming, and with the help of Nyarlathtotep. Their is another trip in dreamlands, with the help of Imr, in "the silver key", who bring to Yadith, land of the Dholes. 

If you look in the annoucement of the first pack, you can see the tarot art of the FFG tweeter teasings are used. So look at them for find some help to see the event. One is caller of the dead ( yog incantation ) another a man with a book ( book od azatoth from the witch house ) man with a trumpet ( exterior god who mainten the nuclear chaos sleeping ) man with hound ( the tindalos hound of azatoth ) dead corpse in a tomb ( the salem witchs, dead for their art ) a dreamcatcher ( the dreamlands ). 

We could see in the cycle Salem, Yadith, Dreamlands, a scenario of hunt by tindalos hound, and the court of AZATOTH.

[Antimarkovnikov 152]

5 hours ago, phorcys12 said:

If you look in the annoucement of the first pack, you can see the tarot art of the FFG tweeter teasings are used. So look at them for find some help to see the event. One is caller of the dead ( yog incantation ) another a man with a book ( book od azatoth from the witch house ) man with a trumpet ( exterior god who mainten the nuclear chaos sleeping ) man with hound ( the tindalos hound of azatoth ) dead corpse in a tomb ( the salem witchs, dead for their art ) a dreamcatcher ( the dreamlands ). 

I noticed that they had that art on the agenda card!  I'm really excited to see those pieces from the twitter teasers as the agenda cards throughout the campaign!

[Carthoris 248]

After all this speculation, I'm inclining toward a climax that leverages the "Agents of So-and-So" encounter sets and matches each one up with a Great Old One or avatar thereof, so that part of the mystery is just which entity the culpable sorcerers/witches are intent on summoning, and it's not even determined until a random pick in the penultimate or final scenario.

[Eldan985 360]

14 hours ago, phorcys12 said:

I think the story would be about a fight between the Silver lodge, on the side of Yog, and with the witchs, on the side of Nyarlathothep, but not as a main antagonist, more like the emissary of the nuclear chaos, Azatoth. Salem could be central, with a possible link to "the strange case of charles Dexter Ward"  which is linked to Salem too. In this one, There is an incantation from Yog who permite to rebirth dead things, possibly the origins of the undead feeling. THen, in " the haunter of the dark" the protagonist pray Yog for have a protection against the haunter, avatar of Nyarla. 

Moreover, I would see a trip in dreamlands, who bring to to the court of the sultan-king, azatoth, but with the choice to made it by the help of the lack pharaoh, avatar of Nyarlathotep in the dreamlands, or with the help of  Imr-at-Tawil, avatar of Yog in the dream-lands.  Why I think that ?? for many reasons... in "the witch-house", or in "the dreamquest of kadath", the protagonist go in the realm of Azatoth by dreaming, and with the help of Nyarlathtotep. Their is another trip in dreamlands, with the help of Imr, in "the silver key", who bring to Yadith, land of the Dholes. 

If you look in the annoucement of the first pack, you can see the tarot art of the FFG tweeter teasings are used. So look at them for find some help to see the event. One is caller of the dead ( yog incantation ) another a man with a book ( book od azatoth from the witch house ) man with a trumpet ( exterior god who mainten the nuclear chaos sleeping ) man with hound ( the tindalos hound of azatoth ) dead corpse in a tomb ( the salem witchs, dead for their art ) a dreamcatcher ( the dreamlands ). 

We could see in the cycle Salem, Yadith, Dreamlands, a scenario of hunt by tindalos hound, and the court of AZATOTH.

I'd rather the gods didn't have avatars*. That cheapens them. I prefer Yog-Sothoth as he was handled in Lost in Time and Space, where he is unfathomably huge and doesn't even really notice the investigators, just drives them insane with his mere presence. Having Yog-Sothoth walk around as a human makes him less interesting and I think that's up there with the gods marrying each other and being each other's children among the Derleth ideas that are best forgotten. 

 

*with the obvious exception of Nyarlathotep, maybe Hastur.

[davilesroses 7]

Rita Young comes to help us. 

From: http://www.fantasyflightgames.es/juegos/articulo/arkham_horror_el_juego_de_cartas/el_circulo_roto

[phorcys12 60]

6 hours ago, Carthoris said:

Après toutes ces spéculations, je suis enclin à un point culminant qui tire parti de la rencontre des "agents de Tel-et-tel" et associe chacun d'eux à un grand ancien ou à son avatar, de sorte qu'une partie du mystère ne concerne que l'entité. les sorciers / sorcières coupables sont déterminés à convoquer , et rien n'est encore déterminé avant un choix aléatoire dans l'avant-dernier ou le dernier scénario.

Ohh ... I really like your idea !!!! that would be nice ^^ Having a good use for all the differents possibilities at the end seems difficult, but if they do that, this is amazing ^^ 

[phorcys12 60]

4 minutes ago, davilesroses said:

Rita Young vient nous aider. 

De:  http://www.fantasyflightgames.es/juegos/articulo/arkham_horror_el_juego_de_cartas/el_circulo_roto

in the high corner, the spectral watcher have the key-word Primegenio ... Great-old-one ?!!! What the **** ... Avatar, like the Man with the Pallid mask, I would understand, but here, I really don't know which Old One is it ... Some research I nedd, to find the truth beneath ... 

[Saibot 91]

30 minutes ago, phorcys12 said:

in the high corner, the spectral watcher have the key-word Primegenio ... Great-old-one ?!!! What the **** ... Avatar, like the Man with the Pallid mask, I would understand, but here, I really don't know which Old One is it ... Some research I nedd, to find the truth beneath ... 

The art is the same as for Er'nrawr, from the old Call of Cthulhu card game.

[Veve7 35]

,,6 cartas de Investigador, 10 cartas pequeñas, 91 cartas de Escenario, 59 cartas de Jugador y 1 guía de campaña. "- So 6 investigators. Also guessed Rita(on my second attempt). The event seems to do something to enemies.

[Veve7 35]

Also 59 Player cards?

Edited November 7, 2018 by Veve7

[Veve7 35]

Rita can deal 1 damage after an  Evade and move to a connecting location or maybe move it, I guess, I do not speak Spanish.

Edited November 6, 2018 by Veve7

[phorcys12 60]

If they start to use those little and without lore ancient-ones, we can see a lot of them ^^ 

And another piece of theory here : someone told me a card of Daniela Rayes in the new edition of Arkham horror mention a cult, a " circle " of people who are in charge of give food to the devorer bellow, Umordhoth from the core set. So a sequel to the initial campaign is still possible, and I would love it I think. 

[Allonym 954]

There's an enemy in the Shadows of Yog-Sothoth campaign (where the Hermetic Order of the Silver Twilight was originally created) for Call of Cthulhu called the Spectral Hunter, which has since been included in the various Arkham Horror games. Despite the name, its purpose is to guard a particular area. That's one possibility for the vigilante espectral that leaps to mind. Reuse of art from the Card Game isn't particularly telling I'm afraid, as otherwise Mark Harrigan would also be Norman Blackwood Jr...

That's an awesome statline on Rita and I like her ability (damage on the enemy or move to a connecting location), but I'm disappointed by yet another dealing-with-enemies character with 5 sanity and 9 hp. Without knowing her deckbuilding, she seems to basically fill a similar niche to Silas Marsh. Of course, if she does have interesting deckbuilding requirements she may end up being one of my favourites...

 

Edited November 6, 2018 by Allonym

[Saibot 91]

2 minutes ago, Allonym said:

Reuse of art from the Card Game isn't particularly telling I'm afraid, as otherwise Mark Harrigan would also be Norman Blackwood Jr...

That is fair, but at least as far as enemies are concerned so far the reused art has always matched the original monstrosities or cultists (Carnevale of Horror is an especially big example). Even Padma Amrita came all the way to Mexico for a cameo.

[Eldan985 360]

Can anyone make out what Rita's Elder Sign ability says? Until the end of the round , something something reaction abilities something? 

 

Edit: is that "ignore el limite de la capacidad anteriore"?  (I apologize, I don't speak Spanish)

That is, ignore the limit on the previous ability? 

Edited November 6, 2018 by Eldan985

[Goshiu 23]

+2 and she can ignore the round limit on her reaction. Although at first I thought she was a Madrid fan. ¡Hasta El final vamos Real!

[Duciris 1,347]

15 hours ago, Antimarkovnikov said:

I noticed that they had that art on the agenda card!  I'm really excited to see those pieces from the twitter teasers as the agenda cards throughout the campaign!

They're also using it in the 3e Board Game.  Ace of Swords is one of Daniela's 2 options and the Tower (shown on the Spanish grab above) is one of Rex's cards.

 

2 hours ago, Allonym said:

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That's an awesome statline on Rita and I like her ability (damage on the enemy or move to a connecting location), but I'm disappointed by yet another dealing-with-enemies character with 5 sanity and 9 hp. Without knowing her deckbuilding, she seems to basically fill a similar niche to Silas Marsh. Of course, if she does have interesting deckbuilding requirements she may end up being one of my favourites...

Her ability in MoM2 is that she can move 3 spaces instead of 2 during each of her move actions.  Seems like a Survivor mirror of Ursula at first glance.

[Eldan985 360]

Eldritch Horror has the Ace of Swords (strength), Death XIII (doom), Four of Cups (will), Five of Pentacles (influence), Moon XVII (sanity/focus). All in the Dreamlands expansion.

[Veve7 35]

Correction:Response of Rita says ,,or" not ,,and". I am not a Spanish speaker.

[Veve7 35]

Also move the enemy, not Rita, I think.