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Arc-170

So obviously with 1.0 we already got a peak at the Arc-170 as a rebellion craft, but in 2.0 can we assume all bets are off, and the Arc-170 will be a much stronger fighter with its main cannons, maybe a forward firepower of 3 with a rear of gunner of 1 or 2. I never fully understood why it was a 2 in 1.0, as those blaster cannons looked, sounded, and even the scale makes it appear pretty powerful in most expanded universe appearances, and Id say it would have been near B-Wing level strength of the heavy blaster. Especially since its role wasnt just fighter v fighter, these things were used against capital ships consistently during the major engagements. The rest of the stats I feel could stay the same, maybe give it a slightly higher then normal point cost.

 

V-Wing

Now the V-Wing, I am going to go with a 1 point hull over the A-Wing, with 1 shield, and 2 damage. It balances out simlar in HP, but if it uses a regen astromech, it wont be able to regen more then 1 shield, the point cost will also be a lot smaller, as these ships are mass produced swarm fighters, especially near the end of the Clone Wars and into the early days of the Empire. (Seen in the original EU Comics). Im thinking the rest of the stats could be simlar between the A-Wing (Its direct decedent) and the Tie Interceptor (Its  Inspirational descendant). The T. I. kept true to its low HP, mass produced and extremely fast and agile  nature, while the A-Wing was built to be slightly more sturdy and mobile over Hyperspace.

 

N1 Starfighter

So obviously you see a theme starting here right? With got a heavy assault fighter like the B-Wing, a Intercepter like the A-Wing, so N1, thats right, we got ourselves a X-Wing equivalent here. It wont have the same firepower, but as far as maneuverability, with a boost, i think with the hull stats and shield would be near par to the x-wing considering its role. Torpedo, Astromech, (NO MINI ANNI "Spinning is a nice trick" Pilot), and maybe some special boost enhancement card wouldn't go without admiration. Either way, this would be one of the middle of the road, not great, but not weak middle of the road fighters, after all, they were not that heavily featured during the battles outside of Naboo and its surrounding systems. Some good pilots of course that CAN be present though, Rhys Dallows, (the player in Starwars : Starfighter), Padmé Amidala, Bravo Squadron Pilot just to name a few. (If you REALLY want to bring Leia Organa in as a pilot for Rebel, also this would be a good time)

 

Jedi Starfighter

Well now, this is where I am quite unsure where to stat this ship out as. Obviously like the V-Wing, it was a massive inspiration for the A-Wing starfighter, maybe even MORE so then the V, but its primary pilots were not simple Ace Pilots who could handle crazy speed and maneuverability, but Actual JEDI, and the ship itself was kitted out to take advantage of that fact. So no generic pilots most likely, unless its "Jedi Knight Pilot" as a generic, giving it the lowest force stat, but still giving it a pilot skill higher then most generics.  Honestly, any ones ideas on the performance of this ship would be better then me, that said I did fly it in the ORIGINAL battlefront for x-box classic, and the over all accuracy of its weapons were REALLY good, and speed was pretty fast, that said, its prob the worst game to really use to decide anything from it. That said, the main obvious pilot choice will be Obi Wan Kenobi, then maybe some of the other less screen time jedi.

 

Republic Low Altitude Assault Gunship

So when comparing to what we already got in the game, at first I was going to compare it to the Wookie gunship, but really, I feel its closer to the U-Wing when it comes to space battles. The rear and front mounted blasters would be 1 damage, if you even want to include them in the game, as they were just anti personal cannons. But the Side Mounted Beam Cannons, I feel need some special attention as I can see those doing some heavy damage, if anything in epic mode.

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Great ideas here!

There were had quite a few ideas by myself and others buried in this thread here:

Most are 1.0 but a few at the end are 2.0! The thread never quite took off like I wanted it to, but I got what I wanted so I'm happy. :) 

Edited by Kieransi

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3 hours ago, Zeoinx said:

N1 Starfighter

So obviously you see a theme starting here right? With got a heavy assault fighter like the B-Wing, a Intercepter like the A-Wing, so N1, thats right, we got ourselves a X-Wing equivalent here. It wont have the same firepower, but as far as maneuverability, with a boost, i think with the hull stats and shield would be near par to the x-wing considering its role. Torpedo, Astromech, (NO MINI ANNI "Spinning is a nice trick" Pilot), and maybe some special boost enhancement card wouldn't go without admiration. Either way, this would be one of the middle of the road, not great, but not weak middle of the road fighters, after all, they were not that heavily featured during the battles outside of Naboo and its surrounding systems. Some good pilots of course that CAN be present though, Rhys Dallows, (the player in Starwars : Starfighter), Padmé Amidala, Bravo Squadron Pilot just to name a few. (If you REALLY want to bring Leia Organa in as a pilot for Rebel, also this would be a good time)

YES MINI ANNI with spins for days ability. :P

Really, considering the craft was mostly for show and escort they could play the defensiveness of the craft up for its Republic version. With Anakin he'd likely have the highest pilot skill, without then they could have Ric Ollie, and Rhys Dallows with Padme being the lowest Int named pilot. I really would love to see Leia added to the craft too if they were to do a Rebel version of it, or if they even gave it the ARC-170 treatment with having 4 unique Rebel pilots. 

3 hours ago, Zeoinx said:

Jedi Starfighter

Well now, this is where I am quite unsure where to stat this ship out as. Obviously like the V-Wing, it was a massive inspiration for the A-Wing starfighter, maybe even MORE so then the V, but its primary pilots were not simple Ace Pilots who could handle crazy speed and maneuverability, but Actual JEDI, and the ship itself was kitted out to take advantage of that fact. So no generic pilots most likely, unless its "Jedi Knight Pilot" as a generic, giving it the lowest force stat, but still giving it a pilot skill higher then most generics.  Honestly, any ones ideas on the performance of this ship would be better then me, that said I did fly it in the ORIGINAL battlefront for x-box classic, and the over all accuracy of its weapons were REALLY good, and speed was pretty fast, that said, its prob the worst game to really use to decide anything from it. That said, the main obvious pilot choice will be Obi Wan Kenobi, then maybe some of the other less screen time jedi.

The Jedi Starfighter and Eta-2 should be the best Force Power platforms in the game honestly considering their pilots. I'm most interested to see how this ship is treated though we will likely find out a little bit come November.

As far as pilots go:

Obi-Wan - A must considering ATOC

Anakin - I could see him in it, but I feel he is more known for flying the Eta-2. 

Plo Koon - Makes sense he is a major character in Clone Wars and he dies in one in ROTS

Adi Gallia - Considering she helped test the craft, and because I want to fly her along Nym in a casual game to try and reinact stuff from Jedi Starfighter

Ahsoka Tano - Would make sense to see her there but she could easily be slotted into the Eta-2 as well. Maybe they could treat it as her early days in the Delta 7 and her later appearance from clone wars in the Eta-2 considering she only really flies the Eta 2 in the arc she is kicked out of the order. 

 Mace Windu - It would make sense to see him fly it, but he could go either way since I'm sure he flew an Eta-2 at somepoint too. Then again, maybe Yoda is in the Eta-2 and Mace ends up in the Delta 7. 

Kanan - I'm pretty sure he flew one back when he was a padawan. 

Really with as many pilots as the Delta-7 and Eta-2 could have I could see them releasing them a couple times with alt paint jobs. 

3 hours ago, Zeoinx said:

Republic Low Altitude Assault Gunship

So when comparing to what we already got in the game, at first I was going to compare it to the Wookie gunship, but really, I feel its closer to the U-Wing when it comes to space battles. The rear and front mounted blasters would be 1 damage, if you even want to include them in the game, as they were just anti personal cannons. But the Side Mounted Beam Cannons, I feel need some special attention as I can see those doing some heavy damage, if anything in epic mode.

I mean the LAAT/i was loaded as could be with weapons. The front guns could easily be a 2 dice attack, the rear a 1 dice attack, and then they could equip the side turrets, and can have missile and rocket launcher  which could lead to one or two of the missile upgrade on their bar. Of course, it could be interesting to see if they made it have a 2 dice bullseye arc with the side turrets added to the craft naturally to make up the rest of its front arc which is stretched to a 180 arc with a 3 dice attack making it one of the few ships that would try to line up shots outside of its bullseye arc. 

 

Other ships that come to mind:

Eta-Class Shuttle - Jedi Shuttle

T-6 Shuttle - Jedi Shuttle but less likely due to not being armed 

Nu-Class Shuttle - Clone Trooper Shuttle

Theta-Class Shuttle - Officer/Palpatine Shuttle

Eta-2 - Already mentioned but yes likely a higher risk/reward Jedi Interceptor

BTL-B Y-Wing - Really looking forward to this bad boy, could easily be the Y-Wing in its prime with a little more hull and possibly better dial or a white barrel roll.

V-19 Torrent - Early Clone Swarm fighter

Clone Z-95 - Likely a more X-Wing style ship for the faction

"The Twilight" - Anakin's personal hunk of junk from the Clone Wars

Gunship Bomber - Legends but add another possible ship

Jedi Bomber - Legends but did show up in a Clone Wars show related game

PTB-625 Bomber - Legends but has FFG art and could be a heavy bomber

Cloakshape Fighter - Used by the Republic before the Clone Wars

Cutlass-9 Patrol Fighter - Legends but used by Saesee Tiin as his personal starfighter before the Clone Wars

NB-1S Royal Bomber - Naboo bomber craft if they need another bomber for the Republic

XS Stock Light Freighter - Canon and was sort of tangentially aligned with the Republic

And honestly, if for whatever reason they need more then that I guess they could pull from SWTOR and the like since well as they are recanonizing stuff they are mixing up the eras a bit with how we see the Hammerheads in Rebels and I think Ebon Hawk like freighters show up in some comics now. So below are a select few other craft:

Ebon Hawk, Defender-Class light Corvette (Likely too big), SGS-45 Quarrel, Liberator Starfighter, Rampart Mark Four Bomber (Though I prefer this version), FT-8 Star Guard, and Aurek Starfighter

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I'd like to added the Starfighter Yoda used during the Clone Wars into the running for him as a pilot; he used it to travel to Dagobah and back, accompanied by the trusted astromech R2-D2.  It had dual cannons (and it was a Jedi Starfighter) with special modifcations. It's first appearance was Season 6, Episode 11.

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And the ETA 2....

While YES, the ETA 2 exists, and might have played a role near the END of the clone wars, I feel that ship is highly..... Overrated. Its one of the ships for me that breaks all lore due to its size. Fuel storage, engines? Small is fine, we can still be the fastest ship in the battlefield...Weapon capacitors and storage for cells? Oh it all fits inside the wings, those wings are "thicc" bois. No... the ETA is utter crap to me.

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Clone Z-95

Now this.... this is where I start a prob fight with a lot of you, and I apologize. So yes, this is obviously the era the Z-95 shined, and grew as a fighter to garner the reputation In-Com rightfully eventually obtains as one of the top fighter manufacturers out there.... if it wasnt for one other ship that takes the Z-95's role already. The N1 Starfighter. "But Zeoinx, the Republic didnt use the N1 even during the majority of the war, it even has CLONE Z-95 Version made SPECIFICALLY FOR THE ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC" I hear you ferociously typing on your keyboard. Yes, YES to all of that, but Unless you can find a way for BOTH ships to be released I much rather have the N1 on the battlefield as the design is NEW to the game, where we already have a Z-95 Headhunter on the battlefield fielded by two other factions, and is arguably more well known during THOSE era's as a "This is a hardy fighter that has been through a lot, it might be old, it might look like a piece of trash, but it will still **** you up with the right pilot behind it, and don't you dare underestimate its capabilities, this baby still has teeth."

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V-19 Torrent

So pirating software... is.. Oh wait, you mean that weird looking fighter that was only seen in a few episodes of the clone wars and prob forgotten by the design team and likewise by most of the fan base? Ok, prob a bit harsh on my part, but that is just how I think of it. The over all shape, and everything makes me just go a nice loud thunderous from the gods shaking the mountains and voice rolling through the peasant villages below solidly "NO!" This comment also applies to the MULTIPLE of other suggested shuttle craft with the execption of

 

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Theta-class T-2c shuttle

The Theta is fine, and can easily give the Republic a similar support platform as the Imperial Shuttle, but any more then this one, again shuttles are kinda overrated in my eyes, and we have to many weird transports in a game that is supposed to be about fighters. Also, the benifit of this shuttle is we can use it in escort missions bla bla bla...

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BTL-B Y-wing

This one I was going to post in my original post, but since I was awake for over 20 hours at that point, I felt sleep was more important. I have nothing against the prime Y-Wing being added giving the Republic a heavy bomber, and yes, give it another hull, and maybe even another shield but keep it a slow moving "Tank" ship, that never makes it anywhere fast, or even remotely maneuverable. This can easily be a great addition to the team comp provided they really make bombers what they should be in the starwars universe. A unit that torpedoes, that needs other fighters to screen it, is technically vulnerable to more agile fighters, but can take a beating if it comes to it and when placed on the field, has a PRESENCE to the battle. It should NEVER be fielded in mass unless in epic games, thats just my thought on a bomber.

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All the large ships mentioned above...

Well this is where eras bleed together, and quite frankly, I have NO idea what ships to add.The problem with a large base ship is, the republic really didnt use any unless you count the shuttles... I just cant think of any that Really tie to the clone wars. Yes, Anakin had the Twilight, (the design was ugly as ****, it looked like horrible waste of time B-Wing attempt at a shuttle) and for him to get in the game this ship will prob be how if they dont bring in the ETA 2 as well. That said, if it brings in a Sith Large Base ship for the CIS somehow, the Sith Fury, ill gladly allow the XS stock light freighter as its polar opposite. Just give the Sith Fury to Asajj Ventress or the lesser known, but highly awesome Sev'Rance Tann. Then the XS can be fielded by a jedi, maybe even again, the lesser known Echuu Shen-Jon, again, lesser known, but great backstory.

Again, the problem with these ships is they are from the previous eras, not the clone wars though.

 

TBC in new post later....

 

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1 hour ago, Zeoinx said:

So pirating software... is.. Oh wait, you mean that weird looking fighter that was only seen in a few episodes of the clone wars and prob forgotten by the design team and likewise by most of the fan base? Ok, prob a bit harsh on my part, but that is just how I think of it. The over all shape, and everything makes me just go a nice loud thunderous from the gods shaking the mountains and voice rolling through the peasant villages below solidly "NO!" This comment also applies to the MULTIPLE of other suggested shuttle craft with the execption of

It shows up in 18 episodes in Clone Wars, more if including the intro monologue. And quite frankly I like the fight if for nothing more then the fact it showed up in the original Clone Wars mini series. 

1 hour ago, Zeoinx said:

The Theta is fine, and can easily give the Republic a similar support platform as the Imperial Shuttle, but any more then this one, again shuttles are kinda overrated in my eyes, and we have to many weird transports in a game that is supposed to be about fighters. Also, the benifit of this shuttle is we can use it in escort missions bla bla bla...

The Nu class shuttle was used the most, so arguably it would make the most sense to use. The Theta was more along the lines of Palp's personal shuttle and only has four entries in canon opposed to the many more the Nu has.

1 hour ago, Zeoinx said:

Again, the problem with these ships is they are from the previous eras, not the clone wars though.

Lux Bonterri uses a XS Freighter during the Clone Wars in current canon. 

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I think we'll see all the classics including the mirrored ships of the rebellion a la the ARC-170, Headhunter and Y-wing.

ARC-170 - I think will mostly be the same the Rebel version. The 2.0 rebel version of this ship has a 3 attack front arc, and a 2 attack rear arc. I can no reason for it to be different other than the pilots. They can add variation with 'republic only' crew, gunners and astros.

Clone Z-95 - Same as the Headhunter. It's a pretty solid baseline. Swap the missile for torpedoes maybe.

BTL-B Y-wing - Whilst these had the additional hull plating, for game purposes I think these would be the same as the BTL-A4 of the Rebel Alliance. It could be a nice place to add mod or config etc. Maybe something like; Heavy Hull Plating - "Whilst defending roll one additional green die, if you suffer damage flip this card." Or not, it doesn't really need it, but its an option for variance.

V-wing - I think this would be like a EDIT TIE/fo 2 / 3 / 3 / 1 statline with the astro slot. Some abilities using the bullseye arc would be good for the pilots I think. A pseudo PTL ship ability like the A-wing and Interceptor have received would be good too.

V-19 Torrent - This is actually the closest ship the Republic had to an X-wing. I'd say 3 / 2 / 4 / 2 statline. Missile slot and a S-foil configuration of some sort. Maybe a U-wing style config where open is nothing, but closed you roll 1 less green dice and it lets you rotate 90 deg on a 1 speed move if you treat it as red.

N1 Starfighter - I think this is kind of a mix between and X-wing and an A-wing. More manoeuvrable, but less hardy. Maybe something like 3 / 2 / 3 / 3 statline, focus, lock, and of course barrel roll. Some linked barrel rolls and boosts seem suitable too. Maybe its ship ability could give a bonus to squad play since they were escort fighters and part of the Naboo Navy rather than the Republic. Torp slot of course, maybe double mod slots?

Delta-7 - I feel like this would be like an E-wing without all the extra systems since the Jedi didn't need them. 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 statline, astro and mod slot. I don't believe these had ordnance hardpoints but I might be wrong. An E-wing esque dial seems appropriate. Focus, lock, barrel-roll linked to (red)evade. Generic Jedi knight, and 3 unique Jedi characters. I'd like to think they'll split up the Jedi between the ETA-2 and the Delta-7, so I'd say Plo Koon and Obi are obvious options. Adi Gallia is another good option.

ETA-2 - Pretty similar to the Delta really. For game balance maybe drop a shield and make its dial a little faster. Add the cannon slot for its ion cannon. Since Obi is on the Delta, I think Yoda, Anakin and Ahsoka could be pilots for the ETA-2.

LA-AT - I think this will be a U-wing with bigger guns. Whilst great in atmosphere they didn't manoeuvre as well in space, I think a U-wing-esque dial is suitable, definitely a 0-stop. The space variants didn't have the manned side ball turrets, but the front cannons and wing turrets rotated somewhat. I think the LA-AT could have a 180 deg arc for its primary weapon to represent this. The Kimogila statline of 3 / 1 / 7 / 2 on a medium base seems appropriate. 2 crew, a gunner and a variable ordnance hardpoint similar to the T-70 would be good represent its missile launchers. For actions; focus, lock, and (red)reload. Maybe a Co-ordinate? 

 

4 hours ago, Zeoinx said:

... the ETA is utter crap to me...

...Oh wait, you mean that weird looking fighter that was only seen in a few episodes of the clone wars and prob forgotten by the design team and likewise by most of the fan base? ...

Your opinion of the ships is irrelevant. You may not like them, but they are all clone wars era ships and are all on equal footing in terms of being added to the game. The more popular and recognizable ships are obviously going to be at top of the pile in terms of releases, but all have merit within the republic faction and add balance to the ship archetypes available to it. If they plan on expanding these new factions in the future to a similar size as the originals then they will need all of these ships to do so.

Edited by BVRCH
V-wings have shields

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3 hours ago, Animewarsdude said:

 

Kanan - I'm pretty sure he flew one back when he was a padawan. 

 

Surely you mean Caleb? 


IIRC, he wasn't around much. He was pretty young in the beginning of the clone wars, and he only recently got assigned to Depa before order 66 happened, during which she died, and he escaped to become Kaanan. 

He might have flown a fighter, but he wasn't an important character back then, and I think it makes more sense to prioritize the characters that were. 

Kaanan is a rebel, his era is the rebellion. He was technically alive and "active" in the clone wars, but wasn't doing much. We should keep it that way. 

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14 minutes ago, BVRCH said:

Your opinion of the ships is irrelevant.

Well, that may well be in your eyes, but the whole point of a open forum is to, oh i dont know, VOICE MY OPINION. Get over it, I have every right to say I personally dont want to see such ships, and think they are crap. You like those ships, thats cool, more power to you for enjoying them, Im not denying your right of opinion dont deny mine.

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4 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said:

Surely you mean Caleb? 


IIRC, he wasn't around much. He was pretty young in the beginning of the clone wars, and he only recently got assigned to Depa before order 66 happened, during which she died, and he escaped to become Kaanan. 

He might have flown a fighter, but he wasn't an important character back then, and I think it makes more sense to prioritize the characters that were. 

Kaanan is a rebel, his era is the rebellion. He was technically alive and "active" in the clone wars, but wasn't doing much. We should keep it that way. 

Could you imagine if FFG or a LFGS at somepoint did an escalation Order 66 event, where at some point during the game they call out order and all your clone piloted ships get turned over to your opponent and you either need to destroy them or escape to win that 'final' match? Having to take the time to debate increasing the strength of your list knowing that at somepoint you have to fight a good part of it. Make your list too weak then lose to your opponent, make it too strong and then your own list kills your jedi ships.  

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Just now, Zeoinx said:

Well, that may well be in your eyes, but the whole point of a open forum is to, oh i dont know, VOICE MY OPINION. Get over it, I have every right to say I personally dont want to see such ships, and think they are crap. You like those ships, thats cool, more power to you for enjoying them, Im not denying your right of opinion dont deny mine.

Ok no worries mate. I don't have time to massage your ego. Carry on.

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24 minutes ago, BVRCH said:

Clone Z-95 - Same as the Headhunter. It's a pretty solid baseline. Swap the missile for torpedoes maybe.

Looking at the legends section of wookiepedia it did indeed lose its missile racks in favor for torpedo launchers. It also notes it was more maneuverable and agile but lost some power due to losing two engines so maybe they make it have an extra evade die or more preferably they play with its manuver dial like how the Mining Guild Tie does to the original Tie where it loses some higher speed maneuvers or they become more difficult but in exchange likely get blues added to their speed 1 maneuvers. 

30 minutes ago, BVRCH said:

V-wing - I don't see why this would have shields. I think this would be like a Fang fighter without the offense. 2 / 3 / 4 / 0 statline with the astro slot. Some abilities using the bullseye arc would be good for the pilots I think. A pseudo PTL ship ability like the A-wing and Interceptor have received would be good too.

Because it was shielded both in canon and in legends?

36 minutes ago, BVRCH said:

Delta-7 - I feel like this would be like an E-wing without all the extra systems since the Jedi didn't need them. 3 / 3 / 3 / 3 statline, astro and mod slot. I don't believe these had ordnance hardpoints but I might be wrong. An E-wing esque dial seems appropriate. Focus, lock, barrel-roll linked to (red)evade. Generic Jedi knight, and 3 unique Jedi characters. I'd like to think they'll split up the Jedi between the ETA-2 and the Delta-7, so I'd say Plo Koon and Obi are obvious options. Adi Gallia is another good option.

Granted gameplay > fluff. It could rock the 3 attack dice, due to the ship varying between 2 and 4 laser cannons depending on if it is the standard or 7B variant, and you are right they had no ordnance weapons at all. I think they might be more along the lines of the TAP instead of the E-Wing though, though if they wanted to play with its abilities they could always grant it 2 force upgrades (provided that isn't too broken) to reflect the Jedi at the height of their power and flying a craft meant explicitly for them.

39 minutes ago, BVRCH said:

ETA-2 - Pretty similar to the Delta really. For game balance maybe drop a shield and make its dial a little faster. Add the cannon slot for its ion cannon. Since Obi is on the Delta, I think Yoda, Anakin and Ahsoka could be pilots for the ETA-2.

Considering the opening to ROTS I could see Obi being slotted into this ship too, likely with the same ability as before. The question though is if they give it no shields and treat it like a super interceptor or if they give it a little bit of shielding considering how the A-Wing has shielding despite supposedly not while being in its interceptor (aka stripped down of most its weight) configuration. 

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I'd like to throw out some thoughts on these guys:

 

Aethersprite:

2/3/3/1.

Astro. Force Talent. Mod.

All force using pilots.

Very fast, dial like an interceptor.

Configuration: (inspired by the function of some of the old toys with breakaway wings): at the beginning of the activation phase, you may receive one damage card to flip this card. Flipped card: increase your primary weapon value by 2.

 

N1:

2/2/3/1

Astro. Torp.

Dial with lots of green straights and banks, but nothing 4 speed. White turns. No 1 turns.

 

Eta:

3/3/3

Astro. Force Talent. Mod

All force pilots, again.

 

V-19:

3/2/3/2

Mod

Dial like a TAP.

 

V-Wing:

2/3/3/1

Astro. Mod.

CRAZY good greens at 1-2 speed.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Looking at the legends section of wookiepedia it did indeed lose its missile racks in favor for torpedo launchers. It also notes it was more maneuverable and agile but lost some power due to losing two engines so maybe they make it have an extra evade die or more preferably they play with its manuver dial like how the Mining Guild Tie does to the original Tie where it loses some higher speed maneuvers or they become more difficult but in exchange likely get blues added to their speed 1 maneuvers. 

That could be nice for a bit of variation. Maybe drop the 4K for a S-loop or a Talon-Roll and make the 1 banks blue. Or they could make the barrel-roll white instead of red. I think with the V-wing and the Jedi starfighters all most likely having 3 greens, it probably a bit much. With 2 greens its still recognisable as a Z-95.

44 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Because it was shielded both in canon and in legends?

Fair call, I didn't think it had shields, but I just googled the cross-section and it states it has deflector shields. With that in mind I'd change the statline to that of a TIE/fo [2 / 3 / 3 / 1].

44 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Granted gameplay > fluff. It could rock the 3 attack dice, due to the ship varying between 2 and 4 laser cannons depending on if it is the standard or 7B variant, and you are right they had no ordnance weapons at all. I think they might be more along the lines of the TAP instead of the E-Wing though, though if they wanted to play with its abilities they could always grant it 2 force upgrades (provided that isn't too broken) to reflect the Jedi at the height of their power and flying a craft meant explicitly for them.

Yeah I could see it being likened to the TAP. I went with the E-wing because I see the Delta as the hardier but slower version of the Jedi Starfighters. I see the ETA-2 as a TAP equivalent.

44 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

Considering the opening to ROTS I could see Obi being slotted into this ship too, likely with the same ability as before. The question though is if they give it no shields and treat it like a super interceptor or if they give it a little bit of shielding considering how the A-Wing has shielding despite supposedly not while being in its interceptor (aka stripped down of most its weight) configuration. 

Yeah, only omitted Obi simply to prevent overlapping pilots. Obi and Ani could be in both for sure.

I guess it depends on how cheap they want it to be. If they want it to be significantly cheaper than the Delta they could go no shields and make it similar to the TAP or Fang Fighter.

Edited by BVRCH

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10 minutes ago, BVRCH said:

Yeah, only omitted Obi simply to prevent overlapping pilots. Obi and Ani could be in both for sure.

I guess it depends on how cheap they want it to be. If they want it to be significantly cheaper than the Delta they could go no shields and make it similar to the TAP or Fang Fighter.

I would hope they would be priced such that you could field Anakin and Obi-wan with a couple fighters (specifically ARC-170s) as support to recreate the scene from ROTS. 

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1 hour ago, BVRCH said:

 

ETA-2 - Add the cannon slot for its ion cannon. 

I think the ion ability of the ETA-2, if it's even represented, should not be in a cannon slot but rather a ship ability. Perhaps the ship ability has the ion function built in with the player making the choice each time they fire if they are doing ion or not.

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8 minutes ago, Animewarsdude said:

I would hope they would be priced such that you could field Anakin and Obi-wan with a couple fighters (specifically ARC-170s) as support to recreate the scene from ROTS. 

Depends on how powerful their force abilities are. Considering they're 2 of the strongest Jedi ever, and 2 ARCs are already 2/3 of a squad in terms of points (at least for rebels), I doubt that scenario will be possible. But we'll see, I'm very interested to see what they actually do end up doing with these ships.

1 minute ago, Ixidor said:

I think the ion ability of the ETA-2, if it's even represented, should not be in a cannon slot but rather a ship ability. Perhaps the ship ability has the ion function built in with the player making the choice each time they fire if they are doing ion or not.

I like that, then the ship has a unique trait. Maybe give the ship a charge or 2 (finite) and let it spend a charge to add ion tokens equal to damage inflicted after attacking. 

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I may be wrong, but don’t lots of ships canonically have ion but this isn’t represented in X-Wing?  I don’t think it’s a defining characteristic of either Jedi Starfighter.

Also, why would the Actis be cheaper than the Aethersprite?  I figured it was either an upgrade or just meant for a different role.

Its a shame but I have to agree, two ARCs plus two top notch Jedi is probably too expensive for standard play.

Given their size, I can see them selling the Jedi Starfighters in pairs.  Perhaps the same for the N1, possibly also including Rebel pilots.  Speaking of the N1 - the Republic version of the X-Wing?  Really?  Surely it’s weaker, softer and faster?

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