CLONE WARS CONFIRMED

[mazz0 2,840]

4 minutes ago, Giledhil said:

TIE interceptor says hello.

That doesn't replace the TIE Fighter though does it?  It's used in smaller numbers to supplement it.  like the A-Wing and B-Wing, it's specialisation and variety rather than simple "we couldn't do this before, now we can" better.

[mazz0 2,840]

Just now, GILLIES291 said:

Yes please, that's one way to get my attention.

The trouble is there are already droids I'd want to use in my all-droid army (mainly HK 47), but they'd be in the wrong faction.  Ah, but I could use a CIS squad with the card that lets you bring along a scum group.

[Ravenhull 257]

9 minutes ago, mazz0 said:

I would kinda like to see them decide Windu's not dead.  Maybe give him a spinoff where he'd in hiding, or have him show up in Resistance, all enigmatically, not revealing where he's been.

“Ya’ll ain’t done kicked their tail yet?!?”

[Ravenhull 257]

9 minutes ago, mazz0 said:

I would kinda like to see them decide Windu's not dead.  Maybe give him a spinoff where he'd in hiding, or have him show up in Resistance, all enigmatically, not revealing where he's been.

“Ya’ll ain’t done kicked their tail yet?!?”

[Cgriffith 752]

1 hour ago, mazz0 said:

My biggest fear in all this is that I won't be able to decide what to fly!

My exact thoughts as well. Moving forward my buying habits will be focused on what I find fun and what pilots I want to fly. I’m not worried about competitiveness because so far it seems FFG is trying to accommodate everyone. My wallet is going to suffer dearly.

[Innese 2,318]

10 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

I mean, I'd rather get new upgrades for ships by buying new clone wars ships than re-buying old B-Wings and so forth.

Agreed! I started drooling at the sight of the Mining Guild TIE, and then they went and announced Clone Wars; I want to see an N-1 as well as the Twilight/G9 Rigger.

[eMeM 3,128]

Threadly reminder that the Scurrg bomber, which dominates the tables of the first edition, is 15 years older than the Clone Wars ships and 65 years older than sequel ships.

Edited August 2, 2018 by eMeM

[GILLIES291 626]

1 hour ago, Giledhil said:

Show me a canon source saying this, or it's purely your personnal assumption.
Even trough the OT we see an evolution of the starfighters.

Well there is the whole part about them using Clone Wars ships already. Z-95s, Y-Wings, ARC-170s, Naboo Starfighters, Scurrg Bomber, Firesprays, a good chunk of the capital ships for the Imperials, V-wings for many years before TIEs were everywhere. Heck even the Falcon was from that era. And all those ships held up pretty darn well against or even outclassed the "newer ships". Classic example Falcon > Quadjumper/TIE FOs.

But if that's not good enough well than you are lost! Haha.

Seriously though Star Was tech never really gets better. The Ebon Hawk could probably take on any first order Ship.

[Giledhil 1,339]

7 minutes ago, mazz0 said:

That doesn't replace the TIE Fighter though does it?  It's used in smaller numbers to supplement it.  like the A-Wing and B-Wing, it's specialisation and variety rather than simple "we couldn't do this before, now we can" better.

It is a definite improvement, in response to the rebels getting better gear (once again, "improving", since T65s are better than good'ol Y-wings).
Of course you don't replace the entire fleet of a galactic-wide army in a few years (but by the time of Endor, advanced TIE series represent 20% of the imperial starfighter force).

[theBitterFig 6,144]

3 minutes ago, Innese said:

Agreed! I started drooling at the sight of the Mining Guild TIE, and then they went and announced Clone Wars; I want to see an N-1 as well as the Twilight/G9 Rigger.

N-1 is the only good Clone Wars era ship design, so of course I'm excited for it.

[Giledhil 1,339]

Just now, GILLIES291 said:

Classic example Falcon > Quadjumper/TIE FOs.

Rey (aka the ultimate Mary Sue) > FO pilots. That's what the Force does, dude.
Plus I don't know if you've realized, but it's mentionned a few times in 5 movies that the Falcon is a one a kind ship, especially modified through the years (and the advancement of technology?^^).

[Giledhil 1,339]

4 minutes ago, GILLIES291 said:

Seriously though Star Was tech never really gets better.

Again, find a source or it's just your opinion.

[mazz0 2,840]

1 minute ago, Giledhil said:

It is a definite improvement, in response to the rebels getting better gear (once again, "improving", since T65s are better than good'ol Y-wings).
Of course you don't replace the entire fleet of a galactic-wide army in a few years (but by the time of Endor, advanced TIE series represent 20% of the imperial starfighter force).

I agree it's an improvement, I don't agree that reflects technology improving and allowing them to make it, I think it reflects them seeing a need for it that they didn't see before.

How do you answer my point that if they've had this sort of technology (hyperdrives, blasters, lightsabers, etc) for thousands of years it's not unimaginably more advanced than it is?  How could it not have plataued?  Every individual ship should be able to destroy a planet if it's been improving for thousands of years at the rate our technology does.

[Giledhil 1,339]

Just now, mazz0 said:

if it's been improving for thousands of years at the rate our technology does.

Never says the improvement had to be so drastic.

[Giledhil 1,339]

1 minute ago, mazz0 said:

a need for it that they didn't see before.

Sure, a galactic-wide Empire doesn't feel the need for Interceptor ships.

[Jo Jo 4,484]

Lets face it. The only reason why we get new ships each movie is to sell more toys.

[GILLIES291 626]

Just now, Giledhil said:

Again, find a source or it's just your opinion.

Well there was those other dozen ships I listed, I can repost if you want but just read the rest of the list and tell me that they don't regularity go up against TIE Fighters and do ok. 

[mazz0 2,840]

Just now, Giledhil said:

Sure, a galactic-wide Empire doesn't feel the need for Interceptor ships.

So they always felt the need but couldn't build any before? Really?

[eMeM 3,128]

1 minute ago, Giledhil said:

It is a definite improvement, in response to the rebels getting better gear (once again, "improving", since T65s are better than good'ol Y-wings).
Of course you don't replace the entire fleet of a galactic-wide army in a few years (but by the time of Endor, advanced TIE series represent 20% of the imperial starfighter force).

But TIE Fighter is not an improvement over Clone Wars era ships, it's a different approach because of the change in doctrine.

Y-wing fits a different role than X-wing, at least by design, it was supposed to be a bomber and Alliance uses its stripped down version as a fighter because they are poor and there are pleny second hand Y-wings floating around. X-wing is a dedicated fighter. Also Y-wings do just fine on Endor, keeping up with other fighters in the Death Star II and destroying TIE Interceptors left and right.

 

[Giledhil 1,339]

6 minutes ago, eMeM said:

But TIE Fighter is not an improvement over Clone Wars era ships, it's a different approach because of the change in doctrine.

It's an improvement in terms of manoeuverability, at least. But yeah, also a change of doctrine.
(Note that the ETA-2 doesn't have shields either)

 

6 minutes ago, mazz0 said:

So they always felt the need but couldn't build any before? Really?

They had the TIE/ln. A "space superiority fighter", soon to be replaced by a better model (let's say IMPROVED), the TIE/IN, since rebels got better tools than old ships from the CW.

Edited August 2, 2018 by Giledhil

[ViscerothSWG 3,940]

I want the ETA-2 as previously mentioned, with moving wings, plus the N-1 and the Belbullab-22. And maybe they'll cross faction ARCs, Wookies, Z-95, sheathapede, and give us clothed (armored?paneled?) Y-Wings. Also Hondo's saucer and whatever his minions flew, that piece of garbage Anakin and Ashoka fly with the movable wing, the sorosuub yacht. Throw in the rest of the SWG scum ships while at it. Maybe an Ebon Hawk. A Y-8 for epic. Next year is full of hope.

 

P.S. Windu is Snoke. Lightninged out a window then sliced in half by Emo Vader. And he was shown motionless afterward so there'll be no spider-snoke hijinks.

[Giledhil 1,339]

7 minutes ago, GILLIES291 said:

Well there was those other dozen ships I listed, I can repost if you want but just read the rest of the list and tell me that they don't regularity go up against TIE Fighters and do ok. 

 

15 minutes ago, GILLIES291 said:

Well there is the whole part about them using Clone Wars ships already. Z-95s [...]

The T-65 isn't an improvement over the Z95 AT ALL.

[Ravenhull 257]

Important question... Would Gevious get Focus or Calculate?

[Giledhil 1,339]

Just now, Ravenhull said:

Important question... Would Gevious get Focus or Calculate?

He will have the new "Flee" action ?

[TasteTheRainbow 8,375]

24 minutes ago, Giledhil said:

Rey (aka the ultimate Mary Sue) 

Gross

13 minutes ago, Giledhil said:

 

The T-65 isn't an improvement over the Z95 AT ALL.

Of course it is, it’s bugfer and has more guns and an Astro. Which of those things is new tech?