Shadow345 640 Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) Could you play this in a tournament? Faction: Galactic Empire Points: 400/400 Commander: Admiral Motti Assault Objective: Advanced Gunnery Defense Objective: Planetary Ion Cannon Navigation Objective: Solar Corona [ flagship ] Imperial Star Destroyer Cymoon 1 Refit (112 points) - Admiral Motti ( 24 points) = 136 total ship cost Imperial Star Destroyer Cymoon 1 Refit (112 points) = 112 total ship cost Victory I-Class Star Destroyer (73 points) - External Racks ( 3 points) = 76 total ship cost Victory I-Class Star Destroyer (73 points) - External Racks ( 3 points) = 76 total ship cost = 0 total squadron cost Edited July 21, 2018 by Shadow345 1 Admiral Calkins reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chr335 658 Posted July 21, 2018 You could play it while it does have obvious weaknesses to bomber wings you have 48 hull for the enemy to kill which isn't an easy task. The two main things to watch out for are MSU swarm lists and Bombers but it should be fun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Jabbawookie 5,613 Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) In that it is legal? Yes. In that it could place well? Probably not. A lack of dice control makes reds in particular dangerously unreliable. Versus a bomber list you may wish to rush for a tabling, but the VSD’s abysmal maneuverability and speed make it extremely difficult. Two Cymoons without Gunnery Team don’t hit significantly harder than one with it (not for the cost.) In short: if you expect things to go very wrong, you may get a decent result and be pleasantly surprised. If you expect a respectable performance, you will likely be disappointed. If you’re not playing for novelty/laughs, drop one or both VSDs for basic necessities and we can help from there. ? Edited July 21, 2018 by The Jabbawookie 1 CommanderDave reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral Calkins 1,470 Posted July 21, 2018 While it certainly looks intimidating to have four medium and large triangles across the table, I can see one of the Vics (and maybe even one of the ISDs) always out of the fight. And just like @chr335 and @The Jabbawookie noted, the list is susceptible to bomber swarms and has no dice control, respectively. I have been running Triple Cymoons, and looking at your list, you might want to give Triple Kuats a try. If it is a squad heavy build, you could try to rush the carriers for the tabling, and if not, and if you the objective favors you, just let your opponent come to you (like Contested Outpost). Probably not a competitive list either, but would be really fun (Triple ISDs always are). Could look something like this, but it was quickly designed and is not tested. And you can always replace Motti with JJ to increase maneuverability or swap out a Leading Shots for a Strategic Advisor. Infinite ways to build it, but this may be a start. Commander: Admiral Motti Assault: Station Assault Defense: Contested Outpost Navigation: Solar Corona ISD Kuat Refit (112) • Admiral Motti (24) • Electronic Countermeasures (7) • Leading Shots (4) • External Racks (3) • Avenger (5) = 155 Points ISD Kuat Refit (112) • Leading Shots (4) • External Racks (3) = 119 Points ISD Kuat Refit (112) • Electronic Countermeasures (7) • Leading Shots (4) • External Racks (3) = 126 Points Squadrons: = 0 Points Total Points: 400 1 The Jabbawookie reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr_mithrandir 137 Posted July 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Admiral Calkins said: While it certainly looks intimidating to have four medium and large triangles across the table, I can see one of the Vics (and maybe even one of the ISDs) always out of the fight. And just like @chr335 and @The Jabbawookie noted, the list is susceptible to bomber swarms and has no dice control, respectively. I have been running Triple Cymoons, and looking at your list, you might want to give Triple Kuats a try. If it is a squad heavy build, you could try to rush the carriers for the tabling, and if not, and if you the objective favors you, just let your opponent come to you (like Contested Outpost). Probably not a competitive list either, but would be really fun (Triple ISDs always are). Could look something like this, but it was quickly designed and is not tested. And you can always replace Motti with JJ to increase maneuverability or swap out a Leading Shots for a Strategic Advisor. Infinite ways to build it, but this may be a start. Commander: Admiral Motti Assault: Station Assault Defense: Contested Outpost Navigation: Solar Corona ISD Kuat Refit (112) • Admiral Motti (24) • Electronic Countermeasures (7) • Leading Shots (4) • External Racks (3) • Avenger (5) = 155 Points ISD Kuat Refit (112) • Leading Shots (4) • External Racks (3) = 119 Points ISD Kuat Refit (112) • Electronic Countermeasures (7) • Leading Shots (4) • External Racks (3) = 126 Points Squadrons: = 0 Points Total Points: 400 Maybe EWS instead of ECM to mitigate fighters or force them to attack shields instead of hull late game? 1 Admiral Calkins reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral Calkins 1,470 Posted July 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, mr_mithrandir said: Maybe EWS instead of ECM to mitigate fighters or force them to attack shields instead of hull late game? It's honestly a personal preference. I just put ECMs because since Kuats want to brawl in close range, ships may be considered more of a threat than squadrons. Definitely could go with either though based on your local meta. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ophion 932 Posted July 25, 2018 On 7/22/2018 at 1:21 AM, Admiral Calkins said: While it certainly looks intimidating to have four medium and large triangles across the table, I can see one of the Vics (and maybe even one of the ISDs) always out of the fight. And just like @chr335 and @The Jabbawookie noted, the list is susceptible to bomber swarms and has no dice control, respectively. I have been running Triple Cymoons, and looking at your list, you might want to give Triple Kuats a try. If it is a squad heavy build, you could try to rush the carriers for the tabling, and if not, and if you the objective favors you, just let your opponent come to you (like Contested Outpost). Probably not a competitive list either, but would be really fun (Triple ISDs always are). Could look something like this, but it was quickly designed and is not tested. And you can always replace Motti with JJ to increase maneuverability or swap out a Leading Shots for a Strategic Advisor. Infinite ways to build it, but this may be a start. Commander: Admiral Motti Assault: Station Assault Defense: Contested Outpost Navigation: Solar Corona ISD Kuat Refit (112) • Admiral Motti (24) • Electronic Countermeasures (7) • Leading Shots (4) • External Racks (3) • Avenger (5) = 155 Points ISD Kuat Refit (112) • Leading Shots (4) • External Racks (3) = 119 Points ISD Kuat Refit (112) • Electronic Countermeasures (7) • Leading Shots (4) • External Racks (3) = 126 Points Squadrons: = 0 Points Total Points: 400 General tagge. With ecms you can charge forward at speed 3, use you bulk to stop them escaping and happilly burn out your braces. You should smash them in the damage race. 1 Admiral Calkins reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ovinomanc3r 4,437 Posted July 26, 2018 No GT, no dice fixers, VSD-1 that cannot contribute to the cause... I don't see that working too well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
