Medical Frigate

[Herr Style 152]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but here goes!

Now we’ve all heard the phrase “They’re heading for the Medical Frigate”, but what would that look like in the Armada world?

Most people on planet Earth when they think of medics think of un-armed  vehicles with medics running around un-armed or with side arms only. 

However, in the Star Wars universe(according to Wiki anyway), the Nebulon B medical frigate  still has some fire power. (6 Turbolasers and 8 Lasers I believe?)

Perhaps as a future ship card in some far off expansion FFG could produce a Nebulon B card showing this, so you can have a reduced points Nebulon B with some Medical Frigate only upgrades?

An example could be “ Advanced Trauma Team: -If you have a ship at range 1-3 that has just discarded an Officer card, re-instate that officer”  

Or maybe one that keeps alive a lost Squadron during a campaign or enables you to not have the scarred trait on one ship after a battle?

 

Anyway, anyone got any thoughts?

[Drasnighta 26,573]

Wasn’t the “Redemption” a medical frigate?

 

Also: Pelta were medical transports during the clone wars.

[thecactusman17 3,170]

You're mistaking civilian rescue teams like Doctors Without Borders and actual military medical teams, which are often armed and equipped to work in a combat zone.  Many ships including aircraft carriers and combat cruisers have medical facilities and staff onboard to treat wounded soldiers and rescued civilians.  A medical frigate would just have more space and crew dedicated to this task.

[Herr Style 152]

11 minutes ago, thecactusman17 said:

You're mistaking civilian rescue teams like Doctors Without Borders and actual military medical teams, which are often armed and equipped to work in a combat zone.  Many ships including aircraft carriers and combat cruisers have medical facilities and staff onboard to treat wounded soldiers and rescued civilians.  A medical frigate would just have more space and crew dedicated to this task.

Of course you are correct, all the medics I ever worked with always had side arms but I wasn’t 100% on other nations so was just generalizing. With regards to combat ships I’m aware they have their own teams and doctors, but I was more thinking of comparing the Redemption (thanks Dras) to like the SS Uganda in the Falklands War.

[MandalorianMoose 1,781]

1 hour ago, Herr Style said:

Of course you are correct, all the medics I ever worked with always had side arms but I wasn’t 100% on other nations so was just generalizing. With regards to combat ships I’m aware they have their own teams and doctors, but I was more thinking of comparing the Redemption (thanks Dras) to like the SS Uganda in the Falklands War.

Where are you working where medics get sidearms????

We have.... trauma shears 

and up to 14g catheters... 

 

Edited July 20, 2018 by MandalorianMoose

[CDAT 237]

49 minutes ago, MandalorianMoose said:

Where are you working where medics get sidearms????

We have.... trauma shears 

and up to 14g catheters... 

 

With the military we had sidearms and/or rifles. My thought on a medical frigate is that unlike a Hospital ship (like current USNC Mercy/Comfort) that are unarmed medical ships, I would think that a medical Frigate would be a frigate with more than normal medical facilities. Now the question is how are they using the term Frigate? My understanding is that the term has been used to mean different things throughout the ages, from fast maneuverable ships not part of the line, to ships of the line, to the most powerful ships in the fleet, and (I spent my time in the Army so may be wrong) now practically the smallest warships in the fleet. My guess is that as the movies came out in the 70's that we are using the basic standard that was being used then, so a frigate is a small combat ship, most likely the smallest warship class, and a medical frigate is just one that has much more in the way of medical staff/equipment.

[Drasnighta 26,573]

Come on...  let's...  not get out of hand here.

 

1) Wedge states they are heading for the Medical Frigate.
2) The scene then cuts to them pursuing fighters to a Nebulon-B Frigate.
3) The Nebulon-B frigate in question, I believe is positively identified (through other sources) as the Redemption....

 

... There's very little ambiguity here...

[Hedgehogmech 585]

Medical frigate:

[Megatronrex 2,867]

5 hours ago, MandalorianMoose said:

Where are you working where medics get sidearms????

We have.... trauma shears 

and up to 14g catheters... 

 

Gotta admit, I'm more scared of that than I've ever been of a gun.

[Herr Style 152]

This is what I based my initial thoughts on.

From the Wiki: - Heavily armed, a Nebulon-B carried twelve turbolaser and twelve laser cannons, with the main weapons of each installed on the bottom edge of the ship's forward hull. It also carried powerful dual tractor beams.[1]

 

From Sci-fi stack exchange: - The Rebels converted some of their Nebulon-B frigates into medical vessels, which served as mobile hospitals. Weaponry and hangar space was sacrificed to make room for treatment facilities, 15 bacta tanks, 745 beds, and other hospital suites. The crew was slightly modified to included an additional 80 medical personnel and 30 medical droids (such as the 2-1B model). These ships could not carry any fighters, and their armament was reduced to 6 turbolasers (with computer-assisted targeting) and 8 laser cannons.

So this would reduce the dice, and the points cost. 

[MandalorianMoose 1,781]

3 hours ago, Megatronrex said:

Gotta admit, I'm more scared of that than I've ever been of a gun.

Lol. It’s rare we ever use one. Most people get a 20, or an 18 if they need a lot of fluid. 16 if they’re being real *****, and we use 16/14 for chest decompression to treat pneumothorax 

[Herr Style 152]

8 hours ago, Hedgehogmech said:

Medical frigate:

I’d class this as a combat vessel with a medical team.

The Medical Frigate I was thinking of was one as I quoted earlier, with reduced armament and extra medical facilities. I was thinking of having it as a support ship at reduced cost, but more than a flotilla. I don’t know the mechanics of the points cost, but due to its hull and shielding, it would be more than a flotilla, but less than say a Hammer Head corvette. 

Just my thoughts, unless everyone wants to get back to discussing catheters ? lol. 

[Maturin 1,522]

14 hours ago, Herr Style said:

Of course you are correct, all the medics I ever worked with always had side arms but I wasn’t 100% on other nations so was just generalizing. With regards to combat ships I’m aware they have their own teams and doctors, but I was more thinking of comparing the Redemption (thanks Dras) to like the SS Uganda in the Falklands War.

 

I have a buddy who was a Navy MD in Desert Storm 2, assigned to the Marines.  The docs really wanted to carry their pistols around when they got close to the front line.  The sarge said ok, but only if they turned in all their ammunition.  Wise man, that sergeant.

 

Most naval ships have medical capabilities of some kind - the only reason I’ve heard of designating something a medical ship is the unarmed hospital ships.  But I suspect the Empire wouldn’t play by any such rules...so there’s no reason for Redemption to be unarmed.  However, I would support a Medical Frigate title that decreased the ship cost while subtracting armament (by one die each arc maybe?), and maybe adding in another support slot.

 

And don’t worry everyone, the catheters they’re talking about go in your veins, not in the more sensitive spot you’re thinking of.  ;D

 

Edited July 20, 2018 by Maturin

[Megatronrex 2,867]

20 minutes ago, Maturin said:

And don’t worry everyone, the catheters they’re talking about go in your veins, not in the more sensitive spot you’re thinking of.  ;D

That's not how my imagination works my friend.

[Hedgehogmech 585]

1 hour ago, Maturin said:

Most naval ships have medical capabilities of some kind - the only reason I’ve heard of designating something a medical ship is the unarmed hospital ships.

RFA Argus is the Royal Navy's casualty Receiving Ship.  Her primary role is medical, but because she has secondary military capabilities and is armed she does not receive the protection due a hospital ship under the Geneva Convention.

P.S. Just spotted your username, amazingly appropriate for this discussion

Edited July 20, 2018 by Hedgehogmech

[Nostromoid 862]

Dras is right. The "medical frigate" is already in the game as the Redemption title. That is the canonical name of the ship that the dialogue is referring to.

If you wanted to have a Neb with tactical hardware stripped out and replaced with a mobile hospital to serve a support function, then check out some of the threads from the past month about new ship titles. People have come up with interesting titles that give Nebulons a fleet support slot, etc.

[CDAT 237]

6 hours ago, MandalorianMoose said:

Lol. It’s rare we ever use one. Most people get a 20, or an 18 if they need a lot of fluid. 16 if they’re being real *****, and we use 16/14 for chest decompression to treat pneumothorax 

I carried a ten gauge just to freak people out.

[Irokenics 1,365]

15 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Come on...  let's...  not get out of hand here.

 

1) Wedge states they are heading for the Medical Frigate.
2) The scene then cuts to them pursuing fighters to a Nebulon-B Frigate.
3) The Nebulon-B frigate in question, I believe is positively identified (through other sources) as the Redemption....

 

... There's very little ambiguity here...

I feel you've answered the OP best,  but bizzarely the thread continues as if you've said nothing! 

[Herr Style 152]

17 minutes ago, Irokenics said:

I feel you've answered the OP best,  but bizzarely the thread continues as if you've said nothing! 

Thinking of changing title to Medical Frigate/Catheter Tales lol

[Megatronrex 2,867]

49 minutes ago, Herr Style said:

Thinking of changing title to Medical Frigate/Catheter Tales lol

It's an entertaining topic for sure.

http://scrubsmag.com/i-remember-my-first-time-inserting-a-catheter.../

Even got some Star Wars theme to boot.

8. “There are times that I utilize the ‘Jedi Method.’ When you have looked and poked so many times, stop looking. Stand up, take a deep breath and just make the movements without looking. Nine times out of 10, this works for me. Is it the most sterile? Of course not, but seriously—what Foley insertion is ever truly sterile?” —Mark O.

[Alexhurlbut 69]

 

[MandalorianMoose 1,781]

12 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

It's an entertaining topic for sure.

http://scrubsmag.com/i-remember-my-first-time-inserting-a-catheter.../

Even got some Star Wars theme to boot.

8. “There are times that I utilize the ‘Jedi Method.’ When you have looked and poked so many times, stop looking. Stand up, take a deep breath and just make the movements without looking. Nine times out of 10, this works for me. Is it the most sterile? Of course not, but seriously—what Foley insertion is ever truly sterile?” —Mark O.

Luckily I don’t have to insert Foley’s in the field. I’ll stick to tubing peoples throats and veins 

[Maturin 1,522]

4 hours ago, CDAT said:

I carried a ten gauge just to freak people out.

Can I get you a 10 French instead?  Those are nice when you need VOLUME.  

1 hour ago, MandalorianMoose said:

Luckily I don’t have to insert Foley’s in the field. I’ll stick to tubing peoples throats and veins 

Hey, you do what I do!  Just different venues.  ?

 

While we’re at this, can we drop the cost for Redemption by about 12 points?  

[MandalorianMoose 1,781]

1 hour ago, Maturin said:

Hey, you do what I do!  Just different venues.  ?

 

While we’re at this, can we drop the cost for Redemption by about 12 points?  

Nice where at?

And redemption is a myth, talked about but never actually seen on a tabletop

[CDAT 237]

3 hours ago, Maturin said:

Can I get you a 10 French instead?  Those are nice when you need VOLUME.  

Hey, you do what I do!  Just different venues.  ?

 

While we’re at this, can we drop the cost for Redemption by about 12 points?  

But a 10 french is 3.333mm, and a ten gauge is 3.404mm, on a side note I remember the first time I was in training to administer a nasopharyngeal trumpet. They asked for a volunteer from the class and being young and dumb I raised my hand. There is not enough lube to have that not feel like sand paper, and hurt twice as bad coming back out. Last time I volunteered for anything that I had not experienced before.