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Clone Troopers and Force Sensitivity?

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2 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:

Tramp, many genetic qualities are far more complex than a two-pairing matrix like you suggest. If you go with the idea of Force Sensitivity being a genetically determined quality (it could just as easily be a "will of the Force" mystical selection), then it is unlikely a simple Punnett Square is the way to sort it out.

I agree whole-heartedly, but I doubt most of us are biologists or geneticists, or really understand all of the myriad intricacies of modern genetics. 

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11 hours ago, ErikModi said:

And it's more-or-less "Will of the Force" anyway.

Which gives one pause when you realize the Force selects people like Bane and Palpatine as well as folks like Obi-Wan and Rey.

"God's a kid with an ant farm, lady.  He's not planning anything."
- John Constantine, Constantine

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So in regards to the original question, the Clone Wars show never talked about cloned Jedi, but Battlefront: Elite Squadron on PSP has a story about two of them.  Never finished it, so I don't know how the story goes.  Also, with the source, dunno if you'd consider that =P

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I think it's just more to the point that the Kaminoians are a stickler for their rules. They aren't Jedi and likely wouldn't have the foggiest of what to do to bring force sensitivity to a Jango Clone; they just weren't dispositioned toward it and the republic would never have asked once they started picking up the tab.

Now, I can see this being one of the emperor's pet projects.  I mean he's the kind of rich guy who would dabble in all things. Personally I feel they missed a mark with the inquisitors in rebels; I was always under the impression that they were force sensitives that were trained up; yet no reference is given to any history such history. Strange.

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11 hours ago, LordBritish said:

I think it's just more to the point that the Kaminoians are a stickler for their rules. They aren't Jedi and likely wouldn't have the foggiest of what to do to bring force sensitivity to a Jango Clone; they just weren't dispositioned toward it and the republic would never have asked once they started picking up the tab.

Now, I can see this being one of the emperor's pet projects.  I mean he's the kind of rich guy who would dabble in all things. Personally I feel they missed a mark with the inquisitors in rebels; I was always under the impression that they were force sensitives that were trained up; yet no reference is given to any history such history. Strange.

We get to know more about their background un the Vader comics. They're fallen Jedi and were gicen some extra darkside training by Vader. He was honestly a pretty crap trainer.

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1 minute ago, Darth Revenant said:

We get to know more about their background un the Vader comics. They're fallen Jedi and were gicen some extra darkside training by Vader. He was honestly a pretty crap trainer.

From the separatist side? Jedi? I donno, it seems strange that the order would have a bunch of no-name's just hanging around that wasn't covered in the likes of Clone Wars. Though I always suspected at least one of them was that Maraluian kid, can't remember her name right now. The only that picked up ventress's lightsabers.

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Just now, LordBritish said:

From the separatist side? Jedi? I donno, it seems strange that the order would have a bunch of no-name's just hanging around that wasn't covered in the likes of Clone Wars. Though I always suspected at least one of them was that Maraluian kid, can't remember her name right now. The only that picked up ventress's lightsabers.

Inquisitors were Jedi that fell to the Dark Side during the end of the war and managed to survive order 66. These got recruited into the Empire to hunt down any remaining Jedi or force sensitives. The ones that fell during the war and joined Dooku were killed off, most likely at least.

We get to see the founding of the Inquisitor order in the Vader comics. The Grand Inquisitor wanted full access to the Jedi archives, not entierly sure what the others wanted except for staying alive.

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On 6/19/2018 at 10:45 AM, KungFuFerret said:

Just random thought I had the other day but, did they ever explore the idea of a Clone Trooper developing Force abilities?  'Cause I stopped watching Clone Wars when they introduced that really dumb Force Trinity thing, and tried to say that THAT was the balance to the Force that Anakin was fated to restore...that he ends up denying. But anyway, that dumb plot aside, I remember early on, Yoda sitting in a cave with a squad of clones, and making a very strong point that while they are all genetically identical, they are all "unique in the Force", which suggests the possibility that they could use the Force at some point.   Did they ever actually run with that plot thread at any point in the show?   Because I do find the idea interesting, and worthy of exploration.  

Do you always believe random strangers who make claims they are gods? Cause I dont. Just because they are powerful force entities does not mean they are what they claim they are.

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7 hours ago, Daeglan said:

Do you always believe random strangers who make claims they are gods? Cause I dont. Just because they are powerful force entities does not mean they are what they claim they are.

As much as I would rather forget the whole thing, there appears to be too much evidence that they in fact want you to believe that it is indeed something real. First we have the whole Clone Wars Episode dealing with Mortis, wherein we have a shared force vision by multiple people. Shared delusion for three anyone? This could be chalked up to Anakin’s own subconscious positing the others are present, but... then we have Ashoka with her Force owl like she’s Athena in Rebels.... this shatters that way around it. Okay, so then we have that they really did share the vision but that doesn’t mean they were really people.... this is shattered on Lothal when we see a perfect rendition of the three painted on the walls.... well then maybe they were really there but lied.... and are worshipped by Jedi anyways? Maybe, but given Disney’s double down approach I think this is less likely. Or, maybe they appeared in the vision because they are simply archetypes that all jedi know.... we have seen no evidence of that beyond a passing remark and we have seen overwhelming evidence that they do indeed exist as reinforced by several lore figures having central parts of their stories intertwined with the trio. 

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3 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

If people think The Last Jedi is divisive, they've obviously never seen a discussion of this topic....  ?

I don’t tend to get worked up about what others think. I loved the book series for its fun, cheap read and that’s how it was treated. You have to approach that stuff that way or you will go nuts. 

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6 minutes ago, Khazadune said:

I don’t tend to get worked up about what others think. I loved the book series for its fun, cheap read and that’s how it was treated. You have to approach that stuff that way or you will go nuts. 

I'm just having a bit of fun there. Well...mostly.

It's pretty difficult to deny that there doesn't appear to be much (if any) middle ground in response to Traviss' contributions to the property. For myself, while a lot of her entries are sitting on my shelf, I've not read most. What I have (the Legacy of the Force books) read as if she was writing a completely different series than Allston and Denning.

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3 hours ago, Khazadune said:

As much as I would rather forget the whole thing, there appears to be too much evidence that they in fact want you to believe that it is indeed something real. First we have the whole Clone Wars Episode dealing with Mortis, wherein we have a shared force vision by multiple people. Shared delusion for three anyone? This could be chalked up to Anakin’s own subconscious positing the others are present, but... then we have Ashoka with her Force owl like she’s Athena in Rebels.... this shatters that way around it. Okay, so then we have that they really did share the vision but that doesn’t mean they were really people.... this is shattered on Lothal when we see a perfect rendition of the three painted on the walls.... well then maybe they were really there but lied.... and are worshipped by Jedi anyways? Maybe, but given Disney’s double down approach I think this is less likely. Or, maybe they appeared in the vision because they are simply archetypes that all jedi know.... we have seen no evidence of that beyond a passing remark and we have seen overwhelming evidence that they do indeed exist as reinforced by several lore figures having central parts of their stories intertwined with the trio. 

Yes they are people. That does not mean they are the force. It just means they are powerful force users who make that claim. 

In Stargate the Goa'uld claim to be gods. That claim does not make it true.

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2 hours ago, Daeglan said:

Yes they are people. That does not mean they are the force. It just means they are powerful force users who make that claim. 

In Stargate the Goa'uld claim to be gods. That claim does not make it true.

That all depends on how god is defined. Any two people could have three or more definitions of god to debate.

If a common man holds a gun to my head and claims to be a god, then in that moment I just might pray to him for mercy.

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6 hours ago, Khazadune said:

I don’t tend to get worked up about what others think. I loved the book series for its fun, cheap read and that’s how it was treated. You have to approach that stuff that way or you will go nuts. 

You say "nuts" like it's a bad thing. ?

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6 hours ago, HappyDaze said:

That all depends on how god is defined. Any two people could have three or more definitions of god to debate.

If a common man holds a gun to my head and claims to be a god, then in that moment I just might pray to him for mercy.

Sure. Still does not make them a god. You might humor them. But i doubt you actually think they are a god. The only source we have for them being gods is an unreliable narrator. 

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19 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

Sure. Still does not make them a god. You might humor them. But i doubt you actually think they are a god. The only source we have for them being gods is an unreliable narrator. 

What defines a god in Star Wars? Real life views on what defines a god doesn't really matter because this is space fantasy.

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I don't know. But I do know I dont just take someones word that that they are a god just because they say so. And in Star Wars I wouldn't even take being a powerful force user as proof of godhood. Bendu displayed more power then these 3 beings claiming to be gods. I don't think Bendu is a god either. Claims of godhood does not make one a god. And that is all we have to go on is the claims of an unreliable narrator.

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9 hours ago, Daeglan said:Yes they are people. That does not mean they are the force. It just means they are powerful force users who make that claim. 

In Stargate the Goa'uld claim to be gods. That claim does not make it true.

I was not proclaiming them gods as I don’t even believe such a thing exists in any realm. I do not believe, however, that their introduction into Star Wars canon was as a one off, or asa minor storyline given that they have repeatedly doubled down on insisting their presence in the story. I don’t know if that is intended as “god” figures, and I don’t know that there really even needs to be a discussion of that, but they are not easily dismissed. 

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Just now, Khazadune said:

I was not proclaiming them gods as I don’t even believe such a thing exists in any realm. I do not believe, however, that their introduction into Star Wars canon was as a one off, or asa minor storyline given that they have repeatedly doubled down on insisting their presence in the story. I don’t know if that is intended as “god” figures, and I don’t know that there really even needs to be a discussion of that, but they are not easily dismissed. 

They claim to represent three aspects of the force. I dont think they really do. I just think they are knowledgeable and powerful force users. nothing more. And more likely they are very very old force spirits. Who have an affinity for different aspects of the force.

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Just now, Daeglan said:

They claim to represent three aspects of the force. I dont think they really do. I just think they are knowledgeable and powerful force users. nothing more. And more likely they are very very old force spirits. Who have an affinity for different aspects of the force.

I agree that we don’t know. It does appear though that their introduction into the story was to stand in for the three aspects of the force, whatever their relationship to it. (I’m not gonna defend something I think is stupid and pointless and should never have been created...) One of the only things I liked about TLJ was that they are basically taking the approach that the balance of the force is found in ending the schism that force users have chosen to create in the Jedi and Sith. To me, that makes sense. It’s the balance, the understanding that a Jedi does not have to forego attachments and that a Sith need not be evil etc. Instead a harmony of emotion and reason creates balance. The trio storyline is just a dumb concept any way you shake it, and unnecessary. It’s as if they believed their audience incapable of connection the dots without something tangibly drawing it for them. 

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On 7/7/2018 at 9:14 PM, Khazadune said:

I agree that we don’t know. It does appear though that their introduction into the story was to stand in for the three aspects of the force, whatever their relationship to it. (I’m not gonna defend something I think is stupid and pointless and should never have been created...) One of the only things I liked about TLJ was that they are basically taking the approach that the balance of the force is found in ending the schism that force users have chosen to create in the Jedi and Sith. To me, that makes sense. It’s the balance, the understanding that a Jedi does not have to forego attachments and that a Sith need not be evil etc. Instead a harmony of emotion and reason creates balance. The trio storyline is just a dumb concept any way you shake it, and unnecessary. It’s as if they believed their audience incapable of connection the dots without something tangibly drawing it for them. 

I didnt get that from the last jedi at all.

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