Fauste 10 Posted June 14, 2018 Post a list and explain why you think it would counter the list above it well. I’ll start us off: General Veers [80]Esteemed Leader [5]Stormtroopers [44]DLT-19 Stormtrooper [24]Stormtrooper [11]Stormtroopers [44]DLT-19 Stormtrooper [24]Snowtroopers [48]Flametrooper [20]Snowtrooper [12] Stormtroopers [44]Grappling Hooks [3]AT-ST [195]AT-ST Mortar Launcher [10]DW-3 Concussion Grenade Launcher [15]AT-ST [195]AT-ST Mortar Launcher [10]DW-3 Concussion Grenade Launcher [15] Commands:PushAmbushStanding OrdersAssaultMaximum FirepowerEvasive ManeuversImperial Discipline 1 Bojanglez reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The captn 199 Posted June 15, 2018 My counter to the double st veers. Joker and Harley. ++ Standard (Rebel Alliance) [799 Points] ++ + Commander + •Leia Organa [90 Points] •Luke Skywalker [185 Points]: Battle Meditation, Force Reflexes + Corps + Fleet Troopers [67 Points]: Scatter Gun Trooper Fleet Troopers [44 Points] Rebel Troopers [62 Points]: Z-6 Trooper Rebel Troopers [62 Points]: Z-6 Trooper Rebel Troopers [62 Points]: Z-6 Trooper Rebel Troopers [62 Points]: Z-6 Trooper + Support + AT-RT [85 Points]: AT-RT Rotary Blaster AT-RT [80 Points]: AT-RT Flamethrower + Command Hand + Command Hand: •Coordinated Bombardment, •Son of Skywalker, ••My Ally Is the Force, ••No Time for Sorrows, •••Return of the Jedi, •••Somebody Has to Save Our Skins, ••••Standing Orders ++ Total: [799 Points] ++ Created with BattleScribe While aware of what an atst can do during battle car selection I'm going to.push the issue to where limited visibility or deployment winds up in corners. Leia walks around with fleet troopers sitting on I jectives while luke goes of and does luke things. I don't worry as much on the atst as I'll focus on trooper units. They can't take objectives when they are dead. Activation spam does help make that happen. 1 Bojanglez reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojanglez 2,158 Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) Your Anti-Veers list is so close to mine that it was fun to think of how I would counter it. The list feels very lop-sided and situation specific but, hey, that's what the thread called for It feels weird to run Luke and Leia naked (but hey, those darn twins, armirite?)... But, given your list, having concussion grenades on almost each team along with the extra guy and scatter/Z-6 seems like it might tip the match in my favor. Same thinking with the dual AT-RT flamethrowers - if they can get close enough, they can wreak havoc and if they can't, they distracted the enemy from other targets and hopefully allowed me to close the gap. Leia would play Coordinated Bombardment first to give 3 of your guys a suppression and then run around with her Royal Guard of Fleet Troopers creating mayhem with panache Luke would use the Force to figure out where you impostors had come from A Rift In The Space/time Continuum (796/800) Rebels Leia Organa (90) Luke Skywalker (160) Fleet Troopers (44) - Concussion Grenades (5) - Scatter Gun Trooper (23) - Fleet Trooper (11) = 83 total points Rebel Troopers (40) - Concussion Grenades (5) - Z-6 Trooper (22) - Rebel Trooper (10) = 77 total points Rebel Troopers (40) - Concussion Grenades (5) - Z-6 Trooper (22) - Rebel Trooper (10) = 77 total points Rebel Troopers (40) - Concussion Grenades (5) - Z-6 Trooper (22) - Rebel Trooper (10) = 77 total points Rebel Troopers (40) - Z-6 Trooper (22) - Rebel Trooper (10) = 72 total points AT-RT (55) - AT-RT Flamethrower (25) = 80 total points AT-RT (55) - AT-RT Flamethrower (25) = 80 total points Commands: Coordinated Bombardment, Son of Skywalker, My Ally is the Force, No Time for Sorrows, Somebody Has to Save Our Skins, Return of the Jedi, Standing Orders Great post, by the way. Edited June 15, 2018 by Bojanglez 1 The captn reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qwrety77 57 Posted June 15, 2018 If I'm the one running that list, you don't have to do much to counter it. I'm so bad with AT-STs... 2 The captn and Bojanglez reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The captn 199 Posted June 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, Qwrety77 said: If I'm the one running that list, you don't have to do much to counter it. I'm so bad with AT-STs... I haven't encountered a dual atst list yet but that seems like a logical counter to it. 1 1 Bojanglez and Qwrety77 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The captn 199 Posted June 15, 2018 @Bojanglez here my thoughts on counter to your counter. No atst to be found here. ++ Standard (Rebel Alliance) [799 Points] ++ + Commander + •Leia Organa [90 Points] •Luke Skywalker [185 Points]: Battle Meditation, Force Reflexes + Corps + Fleet Troopers [67 Points]: Scatter Gun Trooper Fleet Troopers [44 Points] Rebel Troopers [62 Points]: Z-6 Trooper Rebel Troopers [62 Points]: Z-6 Trooper Rebel Troopers [62 Points]: Z-6 Trooper Rebel Troopers [62 Points]: Z-6 Trooper + Support + AT-RT [85 Points]: AT-RT Rotary Blaster AT-RT [80 Points]: AT-RT Flamethrower + Command Hand + Command Hand: •Coordinated Bombardment, •Son of Skywalker, ••My Ally Is the Force, ••No Time for Sorrows, •••Return of the Jedi, •••Somebody Has to Save Our Skins, ••••Standing Orders ++ Total: [799 Points] ++ Created with BattleScribe With 10 activations it's gonna be hard for the rebel to out activate you. Hostile condition in disarray would provide for an interesting game. 1 Bojanglez reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojanglez 2,158 Posted June 15, 2018 40 minutes ago, The captn said: @Bojanglez here my thoughts on counter to your counter. No atst to be found here. ++ Standard (Rebel Alliance) [799 Points] ++ + Commander + •Leia Organa [90 Points] •Luke Skywalker [185 Points]: Battle Meditation, Force Reflexes + Corps + Fleet Troopers [67 Points]: Scatter Gun Trooper Fleet Troopers [44 Points] Rebel Troopers [62 Points]: Z-6 Trooper Rebel Troopers [62 Points]: Z-6 Trooper Rebel Troopers [62 Points]: Z-6 Trooper Rebel Troopers [62 Points]: Z-6 Trooper + Support + AT-RT [85 Points]: AT-RT Rotary Blaster AT-RT [80 Points]: AT-RT Flamethrower + Command Hand + Command Hand: •Coordinated Bombardment, •Son of Skywalker, ••My Ally Is the Force, ••No Time for Sorrows, •••Return of the Jedi, •••Somebody Has to Save Our Skins, ••••Standing Orders ++ Total: [799 Points] ++ Created with BattleScribe With 10 activations it's gonna be hard for the rebel to out activate you. Hostile condition in disarray would provide for an interesting game. How would you see this beating my list? I am curious how much - if any - advantage the extra guy and grenades would give me and would love to know your thinking Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The captn 199 Posted June 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Bojanglez said: How would you see this beating my list? I am curious how much - if any - advantage the extra guy and grenades would give me and would love to know your thinking Well that list was the wrong list that got pasted. Here is the list it should have been. ++ Standard (Galactic Empire) [798 Points] ++ + Commander + •General Veers [85 Points]: Esteemed Leader + Corps + Snowtroopers [80 Points]: Flametrooper, Snowtrooper Snowtroopers [80 Points]: Flametrooper, Snowtrooper Stormtroopers [79 Points]: DLT-19 Stormtrooper, Stormtrooper Stormtroopers [68 Points]: DLT-19 Stormtrooper Stormtroopers [68 Points]: DLT-19 Stormtrooper Stormtroopers [68 Points]: DLT-19 Stormtrooper + Support + 74-Z Speeder Bikes [90 Points] 74-Z Speeder Bikes [90 Points] 74-Z Speeder Bikes [90 Points] + Command Hand + Command Hand: •Ambush, •Maximum Firepower, ••Evasive Maneuvers, ••Push, •••Assault, •••Imperial Discipline, ••••Standing Orders ++ Total: [798 Points] ++ Created with BattleScribe 1 Bojanglez reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojanglez 2,158 Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, The captn said: Well that list was the wrong list that got pasted. Here is the list it should have been. THAT makes mores sense! ? Edited June 16, 2018 by Bojanglez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WillKill 14 Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) I am surprised not to see any MPL-57 Ion Troopers. If they are not even useful against 2 AT-ST, which is well over half the army, they must never be useful in any scenario. They directly counter AT-ST. Edited June 16, 2018 by WillKill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brightguy 130 Posted June 19, 2018 Not to break the thread premise, but... No, it seems there is very little use for Ion. Imperials only get them in Snowys, and they are better off with flamers. Speeders are fairly easily killed without Ion and AT-RTs as well. Rebels are best off not shooting at AT-STs and just killing troopers for objectives. It may be worth 10 points to take an activation off an AT-ST, but it's a tough thing to pull off, and impacts or Luke are better at actually killing one. Until both sides get more competitive vehicles (fingers crossed) I think that Ion will stay painted and unplayed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The captn 199 Posted June 19, 2018 I haven't had the luck orvuse for ions. Against the dual atst I'm killing objective takers. Because there is less of them than i have. once troops are dead hide out of los. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fauste 10 Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) On 6/15/2018 at 8:15 PM, The captn said: Well that list was the wrong list that got pasted. Here is the list it should have been. ++ Standard (Galactic Empire) [798 Points] ++ + Commander + •General Veers [85 Points]: Esteemed Leader + Corps + Snowtroopers [80 Points]: Flametrooper, Snowtrooper Snowtroopers [80 Points]: Flametrooper, Snowtrooper Stormtroopers [79 Points]: DLT-19 Stormtrooper, Stormtrooper Stormtroopers [68 Points]: DLT-19 Stormtrooper Stormtroopers [68 Points]: DLT-19 Stormtrooper Stormtroopers [68 Points]: DLT-19 Stormtrooper + Support + 74-Z Speeder Bikes [90 Points] 74-Z Speeder Bikes [90 Points] 74-Z Speeder Bikes [90 Points] + Command Hand + Command Hand: •Ambush, •Maximum Firepower, ••Evasive Maneuvers, ••Push, •••Assault, •••Imperial Discipline, ••••Standing Orders ++ Total: [798 Points] ++ Created with BattleScribe 1 Suppress Them! 795/800 Darth Vader [200]Force Reflexes [15]Saber Throw [10]Stormtroopers [44]DLT-19 Stormtrooper [24]Stormtrooper [11]Stormtroopers [44]DLT-19 Stormtrooper [24]Stormtroopers [44]DLT-19 Stormtrooper [24]Snowtroopers [48]Flametrooper [20]Snowtrooper [12] Snowtroopers [48]Flametrooper [20]Snowtrooper [12]E-Web Heavy Blaster Team [55]Barrage Generator [10]E-Web Heavy Blaster Team [55]Barrage Generator [10]E-Web Heavy Blaster Team [55]Barrage Generator [10] Commands:Standing OrdersMaster of EvilAssaultNew Ways to Motivate ThemPushAmbushImplacable While they aren't out yet, throwing some E-webs in the list might work against a list like the one quoted above. A slow plodding list, but one that has some defensive potential and can still pack a punch in the late game via flamethrowers, the E-webs not losing efficiency by taking wounds like a trooper unit would, and Vader, who I feel does much better in late game scenarios when units are wounded and closer. Initially, I thought that this list might benefit more from the aim tokens of Veers, but the extra suppression from Master of Evil and the potential with the snowtroopers via New Ways to motivate them (getting an extra free action) was too good to pass up. Edited June 20, 2018 by Fauste 1 DangerShine Designs reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bojanglez 2,158 Posted June 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Fauste said: Suppress Them! 795/800 Darth Vader [200]Force Reflexes [15]Saber Throw [10]Stormtroopers [44]DLT-19 Stormtrooper [24]Stormtrooper [11]Stormtroopers [44]DLT-19 Stormtrooper [24]Stormtroopers [44]DLT-19 Stormtrooper [24]Snowtroopers [48]Flametrooper [20]Snowtrooper [12] Snowtroopers [48]Flametrooper [20]Snowtrooper [12]E-Web Heavy Blaster Team [55]Barrage Generator [10]E-Web Heavy Blaster Team [55]Barrage Generator [10]E-Web Heavy Blaster Team [55]Barrage Generator [10] Commands:Standing OrdersMaster of EvilAssaultNew Ways to Motivate ThemPushAmbushImplacable While they aren't out yet, throwing some E-webs in the list might work against a list like the one quoted above. A slow plodding list, but one that has some defensive potential and can still pack a punch in the late game via flamethrowers, the E-webs not losing efficiency by taking wounds like a trooper unit would, and Vader, who I feel does much better in late game scenarios when units are wounded and closer. Initially, I thought that this list might benefit more from the aim tokens of Veers, but the extra suppression from Master of Evil and the potential with the snowtroopers via New Ways to motivate them (getting an extra free action) was too good to pass up. Supressive Personalities (799/800) Rebels Leia Organa (90) - Commanding Presence (10) - Esteemed Leader (5) = 105 total points Luke Skywalker (160) - Battle Meditation (10) - Force Push (10) = 180 total points Fleet Troopers (44) - Concussion Grenades (5) - Scatter Gun Trooper (23) - Fleet Trooper (11) = 83 total points Fleet Troopers (44) - Concussion Grenades (5) - Scatter Gun Trooper (23) - Fleet Trooper (11) = 83 total points Fleet Troopers (44) - Scatter Gun Trooper (23) - Fleet Trooper (11) = 78 total points AT-RT (55) - AT-RT Laser Cannon (35) = 90 total points AT-RT (55) - AT-RT Laser Cannon (35) = 90 total points AT-RT (55) - AT-RT Laser Cannon (35) = 90 total points Commands: Standing Orders The hope here is that the AT-RT's will kite from range 4 while the Fleet Troopers and Rebels try to avoid the incoming flamethrowers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllWingsStandyingBy 4,659 Posted June 26, 2018 Maximum T47 Speeders with that sweet, sweet Tow Cable ability!!! 1 MattShadowlord reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
