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https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2018/6/8/state-of-the-lcg/

I mean, I've played almost every LCG... I'm starting to get sick of them getting killed off. I think FFG needs to focus on their IPs moving forward. Backing a 3rd party fueled LCG seems like a hazard now. Also more frequent rotations and limited card pools should really become a thing. I know X-Wing 2.0 is launching using a digital aspect to control ship prices. Would be nice for some first party apps that define the card pools / have deck builders with formats. I've played a lot of digital card games and it's great having pools of cards that change more frequently and incorporate older cards more often. I'd love to see them institute this with some of the LCGs co-op and competitive. It could really keep things interesting.

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Well LCGs have one major business hurdle, and that is the profit cap. If you take a look at MTG or heck just take a look at video games the past year. On mobile they are all free2play with very predatory pay2win microtransactions. Just about every mainstream AAA videogame has some sort of in-game motorization that is designed to create smaller but more frequent revenue instead of the large chunks of content that might be half the retail value of the game. When you are dealing with Randomized packs the profit is uncapped therefore unrestricted only to the budget of the individual player. When you release them in sets your profit is capped generally to 1 product per player.

Star Wars LCG was no longer a success, Star Wars Destiney is.<_<

I don't like it but I can't control the market.:(

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I think co-op is a perfect fit for the model.

I’m not sure the model as it was is a good fit for a full on lifestyle game. 

I do not understand why they fracture their cardpools and thus products into so many different factions. 4 is all you need and most of their games nearly double that.

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37 minutes ago, Joelist said:

Fortunately that was the last LCG they have where they have a licensing vulnerability. Pox on WotC for acting like babies here.

Well Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings are also licensed, but they aren' licensed by rival game companies. As long as they don't screw the property FFG should be fine for renewals.

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Yep. Those licenses are in much more secure places (Tolkien estate and the company representing George RR Martin). And in both cases FFG owns the game system.

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On ‎6‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 6:42 AM, Hafdan said:

So, that’s 2 LCGs down in a years time. What’s next? It makes me worry for L5R

You don't need to worry about that one.  They bought all of the rights before starting on the game.  The only thing that will tank L5R is if the community dies.  They have as much external risks on it as they do on Terrinoth, Arkham, or any other Android game.

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Ti Lcg just would not be very popular... It is like making Lcg based on.... well it is hard to say any other fransise that is as Little known... even carcassone, or catan Are big names compared to ti. Robinson Crusoe or Treasure island Are better known by general public. Unless there is a movie or tv series about TI it is very hard to see it become very popular. It is not impossible though! But fransise has a big impact! Cthulhu is well known fransise as is games of thrones and LotR and Star wars. L5r not so but manga and japan have some love on their own.

interesting to see what comes. Ti is very good candidate for Lcg because it has backround and history, but it is possible that it will remain quite small and not so popular as other candidates. Netrunner did have strong history and the game system was allready quite good even thoug it was not known by big public. So it is possible to have big and popular Lcg even without well known fransise.

 

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16 hours ago, Hannibal_pjv said:

 L5r not so but manga and japan have some love on their own.

There is 0 relationship between manga and L5R. The IP is from the US. I think you have no idea what history this IP has. The previous L5R CCG put together a rather unique community. People don't like it because "it's Japan" (it's not japan at all actually, it's heroic fantasy based on a far eastern setting). Many people enjoyed this setting because of the depth of the universe, the character and the awesome pen and paper RPG that was published alongside. This was a brutal setting where important and loved characters could get killed at any moment, long before Game of Thrones was a thing.

Sorry for going on a tangent here but I had to mention it :)

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13 minutes ago, Hellvlad said:

There is 0 relationship between manga and L5R. The IP is from the US. I think you have no idea what history this IP has. The previous L5R CCG put together a rather unique community. People don't like it because "it's Japan" (it's not japan at all actually, it's heroic fantasy based on a far eastern setting). Many people enjoyed this setting because of the depth of the universe, the character and the awesome pen and paper RPG that was published alongside. This was a brutal setting where important and loved characters could get killed at any moment, long before Game of Thrones was a thing.

Sorry for going on a tangent here but I had to mention it :)

There is a certain amount of crossover appeal as there are plenty of anime fans in the L5R community.

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2 hours ago, Hellvlad said:

There is 0 relationship between manga and L5R. The IP is from the US. I think you have no idea what history this IP has. The previous L5R CCG put together a rather unique community. People don't like it because "it's Japan" (it's not japan at all actually, it's heroic fantasy based on a far eastern setting). Many people enjoyed this setting because of the depth of the universe, the character and the awesome pen and paper RPG that was published alongside. This was a brutal setting where important and loved characters could get killed at any moment, long before Game of Thrones was a thing.

Sorry for going on a tangent here but I had to mention it :)

I Have played the original ccg and RPG so I know what you Are talking, but to people who does not have that backround, Japan and Anime is what comes to maind ;)

So I was talkin about fransise appearance to completely new player. And there Are not so Many that Are not films or books that got recognition!

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2 hours ago, Khudzlin said:

Well, Japan is definitely an inspiration for Rokugan. Anime, not so much.

Perhaps, but I recall showing the game to a friend of mine and the first words out of his mouth where "What is this Japanese Anime ****".   I totally get it, at a glance, it is an Anime game, I think fans of L5R hate it when anyone makes that connection, which is why there is a kind of rejection of the notion that the two are related, but if you live in Japan and I show you L5R, your first play will be a comparison to every other Anime game you have ever played.

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5 hours ago, BigKahuna said:

Perhaps, but I recall showing the game to a friend of mine and the first words out of his mouth where "What is this Japanese Anime ****".   I totally get it, at a glance, it is an Anime game, I think fans of L5R hate it when anyone makes that connection, which is why there is a kind of rejection of the notion that the two are related, but if you live in Japan and I show you L5R, your first play will be a comparison to every other Anime game you have ever played.

Yeah, but that is akin to calling the Tau the anime characters in Warhammer 40k.  That's just the way humans associate to quickly make sense of new information.

In fairness to this, anime is an medium not a cookie cutter.  L5R actually is similar to Inuyasha and Samurai Champloo.  It's also similar to the classic Japanese movies The Hidden Fortress (what Star Wars is based on), Yojimbo, and Samurai Seven - which now that I write that I remember there is also an anime retelling of it (in addition to the American retellings of The Magnificent Seven).

All of the names, with the exception of Unicorn, are Japanese.  Words and their meanings like Bushi and Bushido are Japanese.  The Tao, on the other hand, is Chinese.  I think the essence of the game is Mythical Asian, but that Japan had the most romanticized-able pool of stories and hierarchy to pull from.

I suppose that my feelings on the comparison to anime feels sloppy.  My first question would probably be something like, "How do you mean.  Do you feel it's more like Gundam or Case Closed?"  On that note of Gundam, does anyone know if BattleTech gets the same comparisons?  Or do they call it, "That Power Rangers video game"?

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On 6/9/2018 at 4:42 AM, Hafdan said:

So, that’s 2 LCGs down in a years time. What’s next? It makes me worry for L5R

3 LCGs in 2 years.

  1. Star Wars the Card Game
  2. Warhammer Conquest
  3. Android: Netrunner

There are others but were already defunct such as Warhammer Invasion and other have a spiritual successor LCG such as Call of Cthulhu and GoT 1st:ed was just moved over into non-compatible 2nd edition. You could say that SW: Destiny is the spiritual successor for SW:LCG but obviously not in a LCG format.

 

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