Rebel Fleet Troopers, are they awful?

[Tiberius the Killer 465]

So I haven't taken the plunge into Legion yet.  I plan to eventually, but I want to let the game mature a little before I invest.  But I have always been a fan of the Rebel Fleet troopers, and I am tempted to get some to paint up, and someday to include in my army.  But I want to know honestly, do they suck?  I really don't understand the game fully yet, so I have no way of gauging it.  I will be much less tempted to get them if I know they are awful in game.  Thanks for your help!

[Tirion 2,223]

They have been out for a day....

[jgibbs2 72]

They seem to be situational.  The top list from a tournament ran 2 fully suited up units of fleet troopers, with 4 units of rebel troopers. 

I'm running one right now and may bump it up to two. If people are playing with as much terrain as they should, fleet troopers should be pretty good. 

Edited May 25, 2018 by jgibbs2

[Matt Antilles 333]

Yeah seems like the amount of terrain will make a huge difference for them. 

[svelok 6,487]

4 minutes ago, jgibbs2 said:

If people are playing with as much terrain as they should, rebel troopers should be pretty good. 

2 minutes ago, Matt Antilles said:

Yeah seems like the amount of terrain will make a huge difference for them. 

Twenty! Five! Percent! ?

 

[SwdPwnzDggr 83]

Played with 2 units in my army last night. They worked great. Only was able to fit them in with Environmental Gear on them, but they worked great. 8 white dice with surges on attack and defense and being able to hop over barricades at speed 2 for 47 points is really nice. Range was never really an issue as we were playing with a decent amount of terrain.

[mr_mithrandir 137]

37 minutes ago, Tiberius the Killer said:

So I haven't taken the plunge into Legion yet.  I plan to eventually, but I want to let the game mature a little before I invest.  But I have always been a fan of the Rebel Fleet troopers, and I am tempted to get some to paint up, and someday to include in my army.  But I want to know honestly, do they suck?  I really don't understand the game fully yet, so I have no way of gauging it.  I will be much less tempted to get them if I know they are awful in game.  Thanks for your help!

Come on Tiberius… you know there is already a garage growing with terrain. @Sword named Folly was running them last night but they spent most of their time hiding on top of a temple. Seem like great area defense from behind terrain blocking line of sight. Probably plenty of uses with current conditions/objectives. 

[Tiberius the Killer 465]

1 minute ago, mr_mithrandir said:

Come on Tiberius… you know there is already a garage growing with terrain. @Sword named Folly was running them last night but they spent most of their time hiding on top of a temple. Seem like great area defense from behind terrain blocking line of sight. Probably plenty of uses with current conditions/objectives. 

I know, and if I get sucked into this game I am definitely blaming you two!!  I am trying to resist the urge to go get a box of them today at the Dice House...

[jgibbs2 72]

1 minute ago, Tiberius the Killer said:

I know, and if I get sucked into this game I am definitely blaming you two!!  I am trying to resist the urge to go get a box of them today at the Dice House...

I'll just be the first to welcome you to the Legion family. :). 

[mr_mithrandir 137]

Just now, Tiberius the Killer said:

I know, and if I get sucked into this game I am definitely blaming you two!!  I am trying to resist the urge to go get a box of them today at the Dice House...

I mean… it’s only 20 bucks… you could probably find that in your car… 

[FSD 865]

6 minutes ago, mr_mithrandir said:

I mean… it’s only 20 bucks… you could probably find that in your car… 

Granted, you might have to sell your car for the rest of the troops.

And foam to carry them.

And all of the terrain you are going to want to build or buy.

And the paints and inks and washes and brushes.

[SwdPwnzDggr 83]

Just now, FSD said:

Granted, you might have to sell your car for the rest of the troops.

And foam to carry them.

And all of the terrain you are going to want to build or buy.

And the paints and inks and washes and brushes.

I went with metal roofing sheets and magnets. About 25 bucks to store them as the sheets fit in the core set boxes and I'm storing two armies like that. The only thing that doesnt fit is the ATST and Airspeeder but the Airspeeder has been demoted to a model that sits in on my desk. 

[Undeadguy 5,749]

Yes, fleet troopers are totally worth it. Rapid reinforcements and Leia make them a very viable option. In case you didn't know, a speed 2 move is equal to range 1. This means in any scenario where a rebel trooper unit would take an aim/dodge and shoot, fleet troopers can move and shoot. With Leia, she can help them move, remove suppression, or double tap to deny your opponent a reaction. 

Their grenade launcher is kinda a one time use, but it allows you to throw 12 white and 1 black at 1 unit and deny cover or hit vehicles, making it the most versatile heavy weapon available. Or the scatter gun let's you get past defense dice. Their surge and 2 white make them twice as deadly as storm troopers. 

I wish I had 4 of them, but I won't spend that much right now. Nor do I want to paint that many squads again...

[MasterShake2 5,184]

17 hours ago, Undeadguy said:

Yes, fleet troopers are totally worth it. Rapid reinforcements and Leia make them a very viable option. In case you didn't know, a speed 2 move is equal to range 1. This means in any scenario where a rebel trooper unit would take an aim/dodge and shoot, fleet troopers can move and shoot. With Leia, she can help them move, remove suppression, or double tap to deny your opponent a reaction. 

Their grenade launcher is kinda a one time use, but it allows you to throw 12 white and 1 black at 1 unit and deny cover or hit vehicles, making it the most versatile heavy weapon available. Or the scatter gun let's you get past defense dice. Their surge and 2 white make them twice as deadly as storm troopers. 

I wish I had 4 of them, but I won't spend that much right now. Nor do I want to paint that many squads again...

 

^

Pretty much this. If range is concern, use the GL to pop off a quick range 3 before closing, but with that many dice, they'll make up the difference in a hurry when they get there. Very solid unit.

[Tirion 2,223]

Great unit. I am in love with the grenade launcher that everyone hates. 

 

Also Leia is amazing!

[TallGiraffe 3,447]

9 minutes ago, Tirion said:

Great unit. I am in love with the grenade launcher that everyone hates. 

 

Also Leia is amazing!

I don't hate the MPL, I just think it's overpriced. 

[Ophion 932]

Played one game with them and they seemed fine. Relying on whites is always interesting but the shotgun and surge to hit are good.

[Shanturin 267]

I've finally gave them some playtime, and I think they're great! They pack a really solid punch, and my initial expectation for MPL do come true - I love it! In the game I used it, it got two shots, but what the shots they were! First one was from a full unit with aim (they got the missing range thanks to Leia's 2pip), and they obliterated a full enemy z6 unit down to just the leader.  They got hit pretty hard in return, leaving them with stack of suppression and down to the leader and barrage trooper. Later that turn, Leia got rid of 2 of their suppression tokens and early next turn they reloaded and... took down another 3 enemy troopers behind heavy cover.

Range 3 Blast is awesome, and with the rest of the team (i.e. range 2) it is absolutely brutal. Also worth noting, my opponent used 2 units to some good effect, so we got to see how to work with and against them. Long story short: don't standby, it's a gimmick only ever useful under very specific circumstances.

 

[MasterShake2 5,184]

I mean, there really isn't a wrong way to build this unit in terms of Personnel and Heavy Weapons:

 

4x dudes- 8 white dice for 44pts

add a dude- 2 more whites for 11pts

add shotgun- 2 reds with Pierce 1

add grenade launcer-1 black and 2 whites with Blast, Impact 2 and some extra range

 

Literally any combination of these is not just playable, but outright good.

Edited May 28, 2018 by MasterShake2

[Tirion 2,223]

On 5/26/2018 at 6:56 PM, TallGiraffe said:

I don't hate the MPL, I just think it's overpriced. 

I think all the exhaust around are fairly appropriate on their price points

[Mep 2,291]

12 hours ago, Shanturin said:

I've finally gave them some playtime, and I think they're great! They pack a really solid punch, and my initial expectation for MPL do come true - I love it! In the game I used it, it got two shots, but what the shots they were! First one was from a full unit with aim (they got the missing range thanks to Leia's 2pip), and they obliterated a full enemy z6 unit down to just the leader.  They got hit pretty hard in return, leaving them with stack of suppression and down to the leader and barrage trooper. Later that turn, Leia got rid of 2 of their suppression tokens and early next turn they reloaded and... took down another 3 enemy troopers behind heavy cover.

Range 3 Blast is awesome, and with the rest of the team (i.e. range 2) it is absolutely brutal. Also worth noting, my opponent used 2 units to some good effect, so we got to see how to work with and against them. Long story short: don't standby, it's a gimmick only ever useful under very specific circumstances.

 

Seriously, the MPL is sick. People really get hung up on the reload action (recover) for these guns. It just means you don't get to move and shot or aim and shoot. You can still use the thing every turn and how is that gun not the boss?

Rebel troopers are way good and your opponent has to have a range 4 answer to them and all range 4 answers will take several turns to get these guys off the board.  In the mean time, while your opponent is reacting to this pawn, you can move and set up for your own answers to his army.

[KommanderKeldoth 3,141]

On ‎5‎/‎25‎/‎2018 at 12:04 PM, Undeadguy said:

Yes, fleet troopers are totally worth it. Rapid reinforcements and Leia make them a very viable option. In case you didn't know, a speed 2 move is equal to range 1. This means in any scenario where a rebel trooper unit would take an aim/dodge and shoot, fleet troopers can move and shoot. With Leia, she can help them move, remove suppression, or double tap to deny your opponent a reaction. 

Their grenade launcher is kinda a one time use, but it allows you to throw 12 white and 1 black at 1 unit and deny cover or hit vehicles, making it the most versatile heavy weapon available. Or the scatter gun let's you get past defense dice. Their surge and 2 white make them twice as deadly as storm troopers. 

I wish I had 4 of them, but I won't spend that much right now. Nor do I want to paint that many squads again...

Funny because literally the first scene we saw in the first Star Wars movie was these guys getting wasted by storm troopers

[VAYASAN 850]

Fleet troopers are my favorite Star Wars 'soldiers' from when I was a kid back at ANH release.

Picked up and painted 1 squad of them (see painting section).

Abosolutey love the sculpts, great quality imo.

REgards effectiveness, they are just different to Rebel Troopers, they offer a different plan of action, which can only be a good thing yes?  Why release all the troopers the same.  Use thm in dense areas of the table to use cover and shorter ranges.

 

If you play on a table with no terrain, yes they are bad...play on a proper table with proper terrain and their shorter range can be effectively used. I dotn get what poeple want, same stats as normal troopers?  Would all become a bit bland?

 

[Jake the Hutt 145]

3 hours ago, Mep said:

Seriously, the MPL is sick. People really get hung up on the reload action (recover) for these guns. It just means you don't get to move and shot or aim and shoot. You can still use the thing every turn and how is that gun not the boss?

 

You can use it every turn if you're not suppressed. But often you will be. Even if you're not suppressed,  you may need to move instead of Aim to get line of sight on an enemy, get into range of the enemy or get to cover so you aren't wiped out. Often you'l need to Dodge to keep from getting wiped out. So its pretty unlikely you'll be able to reload and fire the weapon every turn.

[Patteous 112]

1 hour ago, Jake the Hutt said:

You can use it every turn if you're not suppressed. But often you will be. Even if you're not suppressed,  you may need to move instead of Aim to get line of sight on an enemy, get into range of the enemy or get to cover so you aren't wiped out. Often you'l need to Dodge to keep from getting wiped out. So its pretty unlikely you'll be able to reload and fire the weapon every turn.

I feel that’s where leia’s take cover synergizes well with these troopers. They got the dodge from her then if played in conjunction with her command card that lets a unit activate after her they can recover and open fire on enemy units.