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5 minutes ago, xanderf said:

Uhhh...that's, like, been there since 1977.

"Hey, we don't serve their kind, here!"

I mean...you get where that phrase has been used before, right?  Especially in 1977.  That can't have been accidental.  It's true that the main Star Wars stories about the Skywalker family haven't really done much more with that arc, but it's definitely always been there in the background - like a lot of stuff we saw more clearly in Solo than in previous movies.

Not to say that isn't the point of that scene but would you really want clunky things taking up space in your cantina if they weren't going to order anything?

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16 hours ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

Perhaps jetpacks are to the Star Wars universe as what capes are to the 'Incredibles' universe?


And yes, you're right.  He did kill one Jedi.  But the fact that I'd originally forgotten about it shows just how unmemorable it was.

No Jetpacks!

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18 hours ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

Still don't understand the hype around Boba Fett.  The guy is actually quite useless when we see him.

It's actually Vader that does all the work in getting Solo captured and then prepped for transport to Jabba; Fett is merely a glorified FedEx courier.

Then, in RotJ, he manages to do sweet FA before getting his **** handed to him by a young Jedi who hasn't completed his training and a blind guy, who just happens to be the SAME guy he had only delivered a few weeks earlier.

And let's not talk about his Dad who a) pays for someone else to try kill Padme (who also fails); b) kills said person using a rare poison dart that actually leads Obi-Wan to the cloning facility and him (nice try in keeping a low profile) only to c) have Obi-Wan then follow him across the galaxy and discover the secret droid army factory and staging post planet; and then d) manages to kill or stop no one before getting his head removed by Sam Jackson.  

By rights, Boba and dad should be consigned to the category of overrated and useless movie characters.

I don’t understand what the hype about Boba Fett is either.

What did we see in the OT?

1. Darth Vader pulls him aside and says "No disintergrations" AFTER saying "I want them alive". I used to work in management and when you have to specifically spell out conditions after making a black and white point .. it means you're dealing with incompetents.

2. Can he fight well? Don't know. He follows Han to Bespin .. and then tells Darth. Who does all the hard work? Does Boba Fett capture Han? Nope .. Darth does. What exactly does Boba do? The same thing Bobby Farret did in elementary when he saw Peter Duncan pull Amy Brown's hair .. he told the teacher. Bad ***.

3. Oh, but we see him fight in Jedi. That went well. He misses Luke at point blank range, shoots a rope (when apparently armed with an arsenal of cool stuff - oh but he wanted Luke alive .. after trying to shoot him with a blaster???) and flies into the side of a barge after being hit by a blind guy within arms reach? He couldn't defeat a blind guy at arm's reach .. the blind guy didn't even know he was there .. and Boba still lost.

 Yes, he is admired because of his badass potential and mysterious persona. Leave it that way.

They can make all the Boba movies, toys and games they want .. he's still as useless as the white crayon.

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2 hours ago, xanderf said:

Uhhh...that's, like, been there since 1977.

"Hey, we don't serve their kind, here!"

I mean...you get where that phrase has been used before, right?  Especially in 1977.  That can't have been accidental.  It's true that the main Star Wars stories about the Skywalker family haven't really done much more with that arc, but it's definitely always been there in the background - like a lot of stuff we saw more clearly in Solo than in previous movies.

I was talking about it as this weird almost subplot that both brings it up enough to be a distraction without addressing it at all. Which is why I expanded on my point. "What the **** was it", in reference to THIS movie. It is fine to make it a plot point, or a subplot point, but the movie didn't they addressed it enough that it appeared to have some relevance and then did nothing with it. Compared to the single line in A New Hope which aids world building without being a distraction.

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17 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

I've got this on constant replay at the moment.  So good.

 

 

Those are all great themes by Wililams, but mashing them all together into one track is super lazy IMO.  Feels more like what you'd hear in the end credits, not during an actual scene.

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On 5/24/2018 at 8:06 PM, RoockieBoy said:

Emon (Azzameen?), Aurra Singh, Benthic, Bossk, Maul!... lots of cool people were shown/talked about!

I really enjoyed it.

That's not the same Emon (which in EU was a human).

Also, I heard someone being called "Pure Sabacc" inside Proxima's compound.  

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11 hours ago, PastrySandwich said:

 Han's arc. Han has a complete character arc in the trilogy, so trying to recreate it in a single movie is off putting. Having him be both this "good guy" and a "scoundrel" at the same time just doesn't work. I mean this is a guy, who not that many years after the end of this movie, wants NOTHING to do with helping people, just give up more money than he can imagine (and he can imagine a lot) to help some people that were trying to kill him. They could have done a much better job seeding his underlying good guy-ness without such a blatant "look at how sweet he really is" moment that is totally out of his character. 

You realize there's at least 10 years between Solo and Star Wars right? You don't think 20ish-30ish is a big span of time in a persons life?

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It was a ton of fun if predictable. Enjoyed it more than Last Jedi. Was great having an entire movie focused on the Scum & Villainy aspect of Star Wars.

This was also written by some nerd-*** Star Wars nerds.  So many references to things that, I would hesitate to call fan service, because they're such deep pulls most regular fans wouldn't know them.

Edited by DarthEnderX

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3 hours ago, Odanan said:

That's not the same Emon (which in EU was a human).

Also, I heard someone being called "Pure Sabacc" inside Proxima's compound.  

It's a reference but not to X-wing :P Pure sabacc is a hand in sabacc. I'm fairly sure I heard "pure sabacc" and then "idiot's array" in response, which is how Han won the Falcon from Lando in AC Crispin's Han Solo Trilogy.

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15 hours ago, Darthfish said:

One thing I could not figure out is why, if Han is that good at  sabbac, why was he a pickpocket for proxima in the first place?  He won a ton of money the first time we see him play, seems like he could have easily stayed out of her net or bought his way free if he's that good at gambling. 

Maybe he learned at the flight academy or in the infantry?

14 hours ago, xanderf said:

Consider that, as far as the Pyke Syndicate knows, it WAS Crimson Dawn that stole from them - and Dryden isn't around to smooth over those bumps - that movie has another potential angle of a three-way gang war between Crimson Dawn, the Pykes, and the Hutts.  Boba Fett, Qi'Ra and Maul, and even Solo (in a more minor role) all fit into such a story pretty easily.

Heck, if people start turning up on Tatooine with a mind to do some kidnapping and some mob hits as part of the power-grabs, a certain retired Jedi might have to get a little bit more activity in...

(Although this is somewhat limited by Maul not knowing Obi-Wan is on Tatooine at the point of 'Rebels'.  OTOH, if he has a major plot on Tatooine fail and doesn't understand why, it would add to his 'Of course...' sort of comment in Rebels when he finds out Obi-Wan is there)

I think the way Solo ended helped set up that next potential movie pretty well...a lot of options, there, to pick and choose from.

Indeed. Either Fett or Obi-Wan could easily follow up on this.

 

12 hours ago, xanderf said:

Uhhh...that's, like, been there since 1977.

"Hey, we don't serve their kind, here!"

I mean...you get where that phrase has been used before, right?  Especially in 1977.  That can't have been accidental.  It's true that the main Star Wars stories about the Skywalker family haven't really done much more with that arc, but it's definitely always been there in the background - like a lot of stuff we saw more clearly in Solo than in previous movies.

The Droid Revolution is also the storyline of the adventure in the Edge of the Empire GM's kit, if I remember correctly.

For that matter, it's also a thing with IG-88. And the Droid Gotra - essentially a 'Droid Liberation Front' made up of a handful of leftover/reactivated confederacy supertacticals and their minions is mentioned in the newer comics.

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11 minutes ago, Magnus Grendel said:

Maybe he learned at the flight academy or in the infantry?

Or even more simple, the scrum rats played it, but didn't have money to bet to get rich on it.  During his time on Corellia Han wouldn't have had the money to wager into any games big enough to get rich on.

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3 hours ago, eMeM said:

It's a reference but not to X-wing :P Pure sabacc is a hand in sabacc. I'm fairly sure I heard "pure sabacc" and then "idiot's array" in response, which is how Han won the Falcon from Lando in AC Crispin's Han Solo Trilogy.

To be exact, Lando was attempting to bluff Han into thinking he had an idiot's array - he actually had only two of the three needed cards.

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On 5/26/2018 at 6:34 PM, jmswood said:

Did anyone else notice a recycled shot at the beginning of the movie? I'll have to verify with another viewing,  but I swear the ships flying over and away from the space port on Corellia were at the same points in the sky in two different shots. 

That could be the equivalent of the "highways in the sky" we have here on Earth (air tracks for planes).

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On 5/28/2018 at 12:40 AM, Marinealver said:

And no duh Maul is popular so Disney brought him back. I wouldn't be surprised if he make an appearance in the new Resistance tv series.

It wasn't Disney who brought him back in the first place. He was "back" before Disney bought SW.

And... did you watch Rebels? I don't think Maul will be back for Resistance. 

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On 5/28/2018 at 1:32 AM, Mackaywarrior said:

Honestly, it’s because of one line during the revolt scene. She calls her fellow droids “compatriots” which gave it a VERY strong yet subtle soviet undertone.

I wanted more Harriet Tubman and less Lenin.

I know it was subtle and an easily vague throw away line but it’s big to me. Not enough to stop enjoying the movie but enough for me to be annoyed by her character.

I think you are thinking about the word "comrades". Compatriots means nothing in the socialism.

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1 hour ago, Odanan said:

I think you are thinking about the word "comrades". Compatriots means nothing in the socialism.

It also a really **** strange word to use when addressing a bunch of droids and slaves from around the Galaxy.

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10 hours ago, ScottieATF said:

You realize there's at least 10 years between Solo and Star Wars right? You don't think 20ish-30ish is a big span of time in a persons life?

Sure, but that is saying that in ten years he reverts from being so altruistic that he freely gives up a literal fortune and constructs an extremely dangerous and convoluted plan without so much as a second glance to people he just met to the the guy that is only in it for the money and won't even be party to the discussions with people he at least has SOME affinity for.

 

I mean besides the fact that Han just giving up all the fuel, while he has nothing to his name ( I mean he still doesn't even have a ship at this point, AND THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE) to the marauders because they told him some, unverified, sob story that has no relation to him is like realizing your arch nemesis and person you feel is a major threat to the entire world really isn't that bad because your moms both share the same name. If Han is such a good guy that he is always willing to give up and risk everything he has for anyone he meets, then it totally cheapens his arc. What is great about Han is that he BECOMES the good guy due to his relationships with Luke and Leia. Not that he would, as this movie sets up, risk life and limb at the drop of the hat for any Bothan, Devaronian, or Jawa that walked in.

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On 5/30/2018 at 4:03 PM, ScummyRebel said:

Oh yes, so many solid references. Shame to hear Aurra died though :( 

Beckett jokes that he's the guy who pushed Sing, but he's pretty sure that the fall killed her. Now considering how often people were pretty sure about Aurra Sing being dead. I am not even 100% sold on her death. How many times she died already? 

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3 hours ago, Odanan said:

I think you are thinking about the word "comrades". Compatriots means nothing in the socialism.

Compatriots is what Soviet strategist would call communist sympathizers in countries they were going to invade. They counted on a certain number of compatriots to join them.

 

i know it is REALLY specific but that’s what ruined L3 for me. Again, I’m not saying Disney are commies or that L3 was supposed to be. I just gave my reason for why I didn’t like her. 

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13 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Beckett jokes that he's the guy who pushed Sing, but he's pretty sure that the fall killed her. Now considering how often people were pretty sure about Aurra Sing being dead. I am not even 100% sold on her death. How many times she died already? 

For that matter, how often has a fall killed someone in the SW galaxy? Darth Maul, Elevator in RotS, Emperor, Luke on Bespin, Anakin on Coruscant....

i have an ongoing hypothesis that the reason there are so few guard rails in SW is because falls aren’t particularly dangerous for some reason. 

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3 hours ago, PastrySandwich said:

Sure, but that is saying that in ten years he reverts from being so altruistic that he freely gives up a literal fortune and constructs an extremely dangerous and convoluted plan without so much as a second glance to people he just met to the the guy that is only in it for the money and won't even be party to the discussions with people he at least has SOME affinity for.

 

I mean besides the fact that Han just giving up all the fuel, while he has nothing to his name ( I mean he still doesn't even have a ship at this point, AND THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE) to the marauders because they told him some, unverified, sob story that has no relation to him is like realizing your arch nemesis and person you feel is a major threat to the entire world really isn't that bad because your moms both share the same name. If Han is such a good guy that he is always willing to give up and risk everything he has for anyone he meets, then it totally cheapens his arc. What is great about Han is that he BECOMES the good guy due to his relationships with Luke and Leia. Not that he would, as this movie sets up, risk life and limb at the drop of the hat for any Bothan, Devaronian, or Jawa that walked in.

How many times over his 10 year career as a smuggler do you think this scenario replays itself? Han pulls off a job but ends up worse off for it because he can't just be a straight up bad guy. More then enough to get him jaded by the time he's ferrying Luke to Alderaan? Especially since at that point he's got a price on his head. Do you remember the line from Beckett about what that's like. So yeah after 10 years of that and having a price on his head he gets a foot out the door before coming back to do the right thing. Because that's all were talking about, just a hesitation. He never double crossed them or does them any harm whatsoever. 

I have no idea where you're getting the idea that Han was ever suppose to be cast as only becoming the good guy because of Luke and Leia. We're talking about a guy that in the pre-Disney canon that graduates 1st his class from the Imperial Academy, is an officer , then destroys his career and becomes a wanted man to save Chewbacca from slavery.

At no point has he ever been depicted as anything but the guy that can't help but reluctantly doing the right thing even though it gets him in trouble. That's all the movie depicts, and to be honest it depicts him as much less inherently the good guy then his old canon backstory.

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