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I liked the "sort by scene rather than film" idea. So...

Battle of Endor >> Asteroid field chase >>  Battle of Yavin >> Raise of the X-wing >> Battle of Scarif >> Battle of Hoth >> Bespin Duel (Luke vs Vader) >> Vader Assaults Raddus' command ship >> Supremacy's showdown (Kylo & Rey vs Praetorians) >> Death Star II Showdown (Luke vs Vader & Emperor) >> Poe & Finn escape >> Starkiller Duel (Rey vs Kylo) >> Jakku's debris field chase >> Naboo Showdown (Qui Gong & Kenobi vs Maul) >> Jabba's Barge fight >> Burning of the Jedi tree >> Crait duel (Luke vs Kylo) >> Mustafar Duel (Kenobi vs Anakin) >> Millenium Falcon vs TIEs >> Battle over Coruscant >> Destruction of the Supremacy >> Seismic charges >> Pod Race >> NOOOOoooo

 

Edited by Jehan Menasis
added some more

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My classification:

3>5>4>R1>6>2>1>8>7.

Revenge of the sith is absolute underrated masterpiece in my opinion. While the other two prequels are at least meh, this one makes prequel trilogy such an important part of SW. The final steps of Anakin on his journey to become Vader. I love everything about Rots. It never fails to make me feel.

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V. 

VI. (Minus ewoks, but it deserves this place for the throne room scene with Vader Luke and Palp alone)

IV. 

R1 I guess... 

VIII.

III. 

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II. I. (These ones suck. But they are great fodder for memeing)

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VII. (JJ can go die in a fire and all of the fire extinguishers around him should be empty like his stupid mystery boxes)

 

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Just now, Audio Weasel said:

OK, so if you take all of the horribly forced romance parts out of AOTC, how does it change your rankings?

If you take out all the romance scenes, AND all the scenes without romance, youd have a much better film. 

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I know Empire is generally considered the favorite of all the movies, and I have seen a few rank the original above it.  I'm curious to know why some like Empire better.  I know growing up, before I knew the names for the different movies, I would always ask for the one where they were in the trash, or where the Death Star blew up, so I always gravitated to ANH first.  Just interested in seeing why others like Empire better

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7 minutes ago, Audio Weasel said:

OK, so if you take all of the horribly forced romance parts out of AOTC, how does it change your rankings?

Keep the romance, but make it go badly, turn the Jedi into drug addicts, quadruple flip power, and you have an excellent movie. 

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1 minute ago, piznit said:

I know Empire is generally considered the favorite of all the movies, and I have seen a few rank the original above it.  I'm curious to know why some like Empire better.  I know growing up, before I knew the names for the different movies, I would always ask for the one where they were in the trash, or where the Death Star blew up, so I always gravitated to ANH first.  Just interested in seeing why others like Empire better

More things pay off in ESB. More Vader, more Empire. 

 

Still, the best scene is still the throne room scene in the end of Jedi, but the movie gets ruined by ewoks. Had they not been there, it would take the first place for me. 

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So, I got to see Solo yesterday (it screens at Cannes today so the screenings were earlier than usual). It's much better than I expected it to be from the trailers, though I wonder if some thing in are going to make some hardcore fans angry.   I liked that it "feels Star Warsy," in terms of look and tone. Glover is great as Lando, as I expected him to be. The funny part is, the only thing that bothered me about Alden Ehrenreich is that he's noticeably shorter than Harrison Ford, so he looks small in a lot of scenes where I was used to Han Solo being tall.  Harrelson is good, Clarke displays her usual range and depth of performance.

 

Parts of it are silly, and character motivations are pretty suspect at times, and it has the recent Disney film problem of everything in the galaxy feeling way too close together (planets don't feel like destinations, just "stops"). But otherwise, I'd put it below Rogue One and the originals, and on par with TFA, but with far less of the bad humor and inconsistent tone problems that TLJ had.   I don't think, in the long run, that Solo will be among the more memorable Star Wars films. It just doesn't have any of those moments or characters. But as a movie-going experience, it's solid.  So I think people's long-term opinions of it will be entrenched in how they feel about the final act of the film and the implications on the Han Solo character and the Star Wars universe. I think if they had stuck with the tone and pace of the first half of the film, it would have turned out a lot better.

 

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1 hour ago, Audio Weasel said:

OK, so if you take all of the horribly forced romance parts out of AOTC, how does it change your rankings?

Not a lot. It felt like every scene in that movie had something that induced either a massive cringe or an epic eye-roll. As contrived as the romance was, almost every moment of danger and subsequent escape felt equally contrived and nothing had any weight to it. One of the main characters was an extremely unlikable black hole of charisma. Padme began her long slow slide from kinda badass space queen to stock damsel in distress.

There were something like four genuinely good moments in that whole movie, and one of them happened in the very first scene, only to be followed up by Evil Centipedes and Poison Dart To The Neck and Deathsticks and Hey Look What R2-D2 Can Suddenly Do This Time Around. It... just wasn't a good movie.

Buuut that's my opinion and other people liked (or didn't mind) the parts I didn't like and that's ok. Everyone is allowed to like things.

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4 = 5 > r1 > 6 = 7 > 1 = 2 = 3 >>> 8

I love the original trilogy as well as r1 and 7. The prequels are enjoyable despite their flaws. 8 is the only movie (across all movies ever) that i hate.

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1 hour ago, TheVeteranSergeant said:

So, I got to see Solo yesterday (it screens at Cannes today so the screenings were earlier than usual). It's much better than I expected it to be from the trailers, though I wonder if some thing in are going to make some hardcore fans angry.   I liked that it "feels Star Warsy," in terms of look and tone. Glover is great as Lando, as I expected him to be. The funny part is, the only thing that bothered me about Alden Ehrenreich is that he's noticeably shorter than Harrison Ford, so he looks small in a lot of scenes where I was used to Han Solo being tall.  Harrelson is good, Clarke displays her usual range and depth of performance.

 

Parts of it are silly, and character motivations are pretty suspect at times, and it has the recent Disney film problem of everything in the galaxy feeling way too close together (planets don't feel like destinations, just "stops"). But otherwise, I'd put it below Rogue One and the originals, and on par with TFA, but with far less of the bad humor and inconsistent tone problems that TLJ had.   I don't think, in the long run, that Solo will be among the more memorable Star Wars films. It just doesn't have any of those moments or characters. But as a movie-going experience, it's solid.  So I think people's long-term opinions of it will be entrenched in how they feel about the final act of the film and the implications on the Han Solo character and the Star Wars universe. I think if they had stuck with the tone and pace of the first half of the film, it would have turned out a lot better.

 

So we post a lot of tlj related things in the solo thread, then this gets made to avoid that. And now you comment on Solo? 

The nerve of some people :D

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2 hours ago, piznit said:

I know Empire is generally considered the favorite of all the movies, and I have seen a few rank the original above it.  I'm curious to know why some like Empire better.  I know growing up, before I knew the names for the different movies, I would always ask for the one where they were in the trash, or where the Death Star blew up, so I always gravitated to ANH first.  Just interested in seeing why others like Empire better

Everything on Tatooine!

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V (Since I grew up with the OT, Empire Strike Back will always have a special place for me and maybe because of nostalgia, but I can't possibly imagine how a new movie could top it)

VIII (I fell in love with it the first time, and the more I watch it, the more I love it. Luke Skywalker is just perfect)

VII (I really love all the new characters the new trilogy is bringing and that Kylo Ren is not just the villain/antagonist but a character himself)

IV (The movie that started it all)

VI (The throne room scene, the battle of Endor (in space), Jabba's palace... there is a lot of iconic scene that define what is Star wars in his movie)

R1 (it was good. Never really felt for the characters though... Except K2SO... found it better the second time)

III (It could have been so much better. I never believed in the fall of Anakin. Clone Wars cartoons help a lot in this direction)

I (Let's face it.... who didn't love Darth Maul combats the first time we saw it.... but I think the story would have been more believable if Anakin would have been a late teenager (16-17 years old) instead of a little kid)

II (I tried to like it, I watched it a couple time, but I couldn't. The basis is good, but I didn't like the execution and the dialogues)

 

EDIT: Forgot to include Rogue One

Edited by Red Castle

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A New Hope

Empire Strikes Back

Rogue One

The Force Awakens

[considerable gap]

The Last Jedi

Return of the Jedi

[every other film ever made including those yet to be]

The Phantom Menace / Attack of the Clones / Revenge of the Sith

 

Of the Original Trilogy Episode VI has aged terribly. The Jabba sequence is overlong and only serves to return Han to the screen as quickly as possible which kinda robs his Cloud City capture of its drama. The Ewoks are terrrrible and a horrible omen of Lucas’s late career judgement. The Battle of Endor is a magnificent finale with its space battle as well as Luke’s iconic confrontation with Vader. Unfortunately every time the camera cuts to the teddy bears tripping stormtroopers the drama of those two conflicts is undercut severely. 

The worst sins of Episode VIII have been explored at length and I agree with nearly all of them. The movie is overlong, negates the most interesting questions of Episode VII, and hard resets the Star Wars universe to the familiar, binary Empire v Rebellion dynamic in a jarring and unconvincing way. Plus it throws away the potential joy of reuniting the original cast and is too eager to discard Luke in favor of their shinier, newer protagonist.

The prequels are irredeemable. Honestly Episode I might be the least bad of the bunch due to its competent acting and more restrained CGI compared with its direct sequels. The weird defensive Prequel Apologia I see on the Star Wars subreddit in particular is incomprehensible. Outside of the music and a handful of individual performances these are among the worst examples of sci-fi films ever made. 

I’m trying to in with zero expectations for Solo. I think there is something to be said about meaningfully hinting at a character’s backstory as opposed to fully exploring it on-screen. But if the movie is fun and swash-buckling I’ll be more than happy to revisit the Star Wars galaxy.

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the simple list:
V > IV > III > II > VI > VII > I > > > VIII

expanded list:
V - The Empire Strikes back, Despecialised Edition
Rogue One
IV - A new Hope, Despecialised Edition
III - Labyrinth of Evil, Hal9000 Edit
II - The Approaching Storm, Hal9000 Edit
VI - Return of the Jedi, Despecialised Edition
VII - The Force Awakens
I - Cloak of Deception, Hal9000 Edit
(maybe place the Ewok movies here)
VIII - The last Jedi

 

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Speaking of films, I’m three films into an all-film recap in episode order.  You know that scene in Sith where you see a YT1300 in the corner, coming in to land?  There are also four of those J-Type barges, the ones that are supposedly unique to the leader of Naboo.  Lots and lots of decoys, maybe?

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Adding (unscientificly) people's rankings together, giving 9 points for 1st place down to 1 point for last, we have:

V > IV >> R1 > VI > VII > VIII > III >> II > I

TLJ is (unsurprisingly) the most controversial, followed by TFA. Rogue One also seems to be a bit of a mixed bag. 

The least controversial are ANH and ESB, which rarely scored below 8.

Episode 3 is the most loved of the prequels by a way. 

 

(1:43.5pts, 2:52pts, 3:86pts, R1:134pts, 4:170pts, 5:189pts, 6:120.5pts, 7:100.5pts, 8:94.5pts) 

 

Ill update as we go :)

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