K-2SO and the U-Wing

[Commander Kaine 2,660]

31 minutes ago, Azrapse said:

In Rebels they blow up capital ships with hand pistols, by repeatedly shooting at them. 

They can do whatever. 

We already have a scum Droid with a pistol able to damage attackers.

Edit: 

That little turret on the falcon looks totally like the hot shot blaster.

You know totally lost an argument when you bring up rebels as the example. 

 

If you take that show seriously, nothing in the universe make sense... How can capital ships not survival handgun fire? What's the point of armor and shields then?

[BVRCH 1,046]

WE HAVE TO GET K2! WE NEED K2.. I need K2.. Please let it be real.. (I'm spiraling again :P)

Also can we get Laren Joma now? Why can't we have her instead of Bodhi? He didn't actually fly a U-wing yet he's made it to 2.0 as a pilot.

9 hours ago, eMeM said:

Speaking of U-wings, you know what would be possible with side arcs printed on all bases?

 

9 hours ago, Icelom said:

Having a guy hanging out the open door in space seems kind dumb?

They've already stated in the Visual Dictionary that the door guns were an aftermarket modification made by the alliance to some of the U-wings. Bistan specifically used his Heavy Ion Repeater (infantry weapon) mounted on a temporary hardpoint used for infantry support. The U-wings are not designed to have the doors open in space and have no shielding to allow for it.

Now this is all 'star wars fluff' so whether its possible or not is irrelevant, but it doesn't seem like LFL ever intended the door guns to be a feature for in space dogfighting.

FFG have however changed the title to allow for a 90 or 180 degree turn now, so it should feel a little more like what we want a U-wing to feel like in 2.0.

Edited May 14, 2018 by BVRCH

[piznit 1,705]

Leia flies through space like Superman, they can engineer a side gunner

[matt.sucharski 1,055]

My hope is the K-2SO will be a pilot and possibly a crew in the base U-Wing (i.e., included in the Conversion Kit), seeing as he fits in more naturally as a mainstream Rebel Alliance figure than as one of Saw's Partisans, although the Rogue One crew do disobey orders and start a big fight with the Empire. If he's just in Saw's Renegades and not the Conversion Kit, so be it. If he's in neither I'll be disappointed, and FFG will have only one more chance in the foreseeable future to include him when the 2nd Edition U-Wing expansion is eventually released.

[HolySorcerer 4,105]

[Azrapse 3,215]

6 hours ago, Commander Kaine said:

You know totally lost an argument when you bring up rebels as the example. 

 

If you take that show seriously, nothing in the universe make sense... How can capital ships not survival handgun fire? What's the point of armor and shields then?

All you said there is right.

Unfortunately, LFL doesn't give a jawa's @$$ about what makes sense or what doesn't.
Hand pistols defeat Interdictor-class cruisers, ewoks defeat a legion of the Emperor's best troops with stones and sticks, lasers now arc in space, and hyperspace can be weaponized even when everybody has had access to hyperspace for thousands of years but nobody thought about it till now.
All of that is canon.

[Commander Kaine 2,660]

24 minutes ago, Azrapse said:

All you said there is right.

Unfortunately, LFL doesn't give a jawa's @$$ about what makes sense or what doesn't.
Hand pistols defeat Interdictor-class cruisers, ewoks defeat a legion of the Emperor's best troops with stones and sticks, lasers now arc in space, and hyperspace can be weaponized even when everybody has had access to hyperspace for thousands of years but nobody thought about it till now.
All of that is canon.

Do I have to point out how useless is that canonicity for game design? 

Just because they do sth in a stupid way, not everyone has to. 

 

The empire was stupid in ANH as well. Does it make it okay for TLJ to have stupid enemies? No, that doesn't seem to hold true. 

[Azrapse 3,215]

1 hour ago, Commander Kaine said:

Do I have to point out how useless is that canonicity for game design? 

Just because they do sth in a stupid way, not everyone has to. 

 

The empire was stupid in ANH as well. Does it make it okay for TLJ to have stupid enemies? No, that doesn't seem to hold true. 

This game attempts to simulate the lore to a certain extent. They use the canon stuff to guide their designs, even when now and then they break away from it for gameplay reasons.
In particular, the gameplay would get improved by following the canon here. The U-wing is the second least used ship in the game, because of lack of options, lack of utility, and lack of value as a jouster. 
They could have perfectly gone with a side arc to improve the gameplay. Instead they opted for improving the title and its action bar, that is another valid path.
In any case, given how they have redesigned all bases for 2.0, and the ease of specifying game effects affecting particular arcs in 2.0, it would be trivial for them to release a gunner upgrade that performs attacks out of the left arc. For all we know, 2.0 Bistan could be exactly that.

Back on the topic of lore, there is little that prevents Bistan from shooting his weapon off the side of the U-wing and dealing damage to a ship. His ion repeating gun is bigger in size than the weapons mounted on an A-wing, to use an example, or the autoblaster on a B-wing. The Falcon's turret cannons aren't much bigger.
Also, we have seen ships having interior atmosphere shields. In The Last Jedi, after super-Leia does her thing, the bridge is sealed to the point of Poe being able to open the door just fine to pick her up.
The U-wing gunner could be wearing a spacesuit (Bistan wears one except for the helmet) to open the door, and the rest of the ship could be kept pressurized with an interior shield.

My point is that there is really not any big reason to prevent any of this from happening, given that we have seen much worse stuff going on in the saga, but on the real action movies or other canon material. This wouldn't even need so much effort to handwave, at least.

[WoofMcMoose 26]

14 hours ago, Chucknuckle said:

Action: Open the side doors of this ship. The crew are immediately sucked into the vacuum of space. Remove this ship as a casualty.

Not me, I can survive in space...

[Magnus Grendel 11,679]

13 hours ago, SwordOwaR said:

Now people talk about the imperials not having Astromechs (sure they appear in the books etc. but not so much in the films) and all the hype with BB9E...look an Imp Astromech finally, but wait as I never noticed before in the above picture on the right, Astromechs! 

If they didn't, those seemingly omnipresent knee-height astromech sockets would be a bit odd. Equally, Chopper being consistently ignored in imperial facilities (admittedly after a paint-job) would seem odd too.

Edited May 14, 2018 by Magnus Grendel

[SwordOwaR 96]

5 minutes ago, Magnus Grendel said:

If they didn't, those seemingly omnipresent knee-height astromech sockets would be a bit odd. Equally, Chopper being consistently ignored in imperial facilities (admittedly after a paint-job) would seem odd too.

True, I never thought about that, but then I never looked out for them and now I'll have to go back and watch all the films from episode Rogue One, because that's where they start...

[FTS Gecko 24,135]

50 minutes ago, WoofMcMoose said:

Not me, I can survive in space...

Unfortunately, he doesn't get a gun.

[LordBlades 2,403]

11 hours ago, Commander Kaine said:

You know totally lost an argument when you bring up rebels as the example. 

 

If you take that show seriously, nothing in the universe make sense... How can capital ships not survival handgun fire? What's the point of armor and shields then?

That can likely be argued about pretty much everything Disney has done to Star Wars. Sadly, it's Canon. All of it. Whether we like it or not

[HaranHaste 137]

9 hours ago, Incard said:

My hope is the K-2SO will be a pilot and possibly a crew in the base U-Wing (i.e., included in the Conversion Kit), seeing as he fits in more naturally as a mainstream Rebel Alliance figure than as one of Saw's Partisans, although the Rogue One crew do disobey orders and start a big fight with the Empire. If he's just in Saw's Renegades and not the Conversion Kit, so be it. If he's in neither I'll be disappointed, and FFG will have only one more chance in the foreseeable future to include him when the 2nd Edition U-Wing expansion is eventually released.

This was my thought too. Pull Heff Tobber or Bodhi Rook out of the U-wing in favor if K-2SO. Neither of them flew the U-wing in Rogue One, and really, Bodhi never flew one so it is an easy switch, Heff was a good U-wing pilot, but flew an X-wing in Rogue one.