HolySorcerer 4,102 Posted May 7, 2018 So the Phantoms have lost their heavy firepower and likely lost the ability to recloak immediately after firing. This makes them less swingy, but less special as well. Presumably this will come with a big price reduction, as Whisper and Echo lose a lot of value with only 3-attack. Is there still a home for a 3 attack die phantom in your squads? How cheap do they need to be to be make them worth taking? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LagJanson 6,803 Posted May 7, 2018 It's unconfirmed yet, right? I mean... it still might happen! Really! My 4 TIE Phantom list! Won't somebody please think of the Phantoms? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HolySorcerer 4,102 Posted May 7, 2018 1 minute ago, LagJanson said: It's unconfirmed yet, right? I mean... it still might happen! Really! My 4 TIE Phantom list! Won't somebody please think of the Phantoms? .... ... ... I posted pics of Whispers stats... 1 AngryAlbatross reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LagJanson 6,803 Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said: .... ... ... I posted pics of Whispers stats... I fail to see the attack stat... Where's the red number? Edited May 7, 2018 by LagJanson Bad typos tonight... 5 VanderLegion, StriderZessei, DekoPuma and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maui. 2,440 Posted May 7, 2018 Honestly it's probably for the best. The Phantom ship design was both high power AND hard to shoot, and the cloaking mechanic suffered for it. It looks like they're getting rid of the mechanic that forces you to shoot first or explode, so hopefully cloaking will be healthier and more intuitive all around. Just now, LagJanson said: I fail to see the attack start... Where's the red number? You can see it through the hole in the cardboard base in the first picture. Although I guess it could technically be 8... 8 7 7 bllaw, LeoHowler, PhantomFO and 19 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ABXY 1,018 Posted May 7, 2018 1 minute ago, nexttwelveexits said: You can see it through the hole in the cardboard base in the first picture. Although I guess it could technically be 8... Well spotted! 3 BlackSunSyn, Ayleron and SuperWookie reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LagJanson 6,803 Posted May 7, 2018 Just now, nexttwelveexits said: You can see it through the hole in the cardboard base in the first picture. Although I guess it could technically be 8... Oh there it is... That's really tucked in there, but definitely a 3... no way they'd put an 8! In fairness, it's probably for the best for the game balance. I would expect these things to be a fair bit cheaper now though, unless cloak has changed yet again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HolySorcerer 4,102 Posted May 7, 2018 Just now, nexttwelveexits said: Honestly it's probably for the best. The Phantom ship design was both high power AND hard to shoot, and the cloaking mechanic suffered for it. It looks like they're getting rid of the mechanic that forces you to shoot first or explode, so hopefully cloaking will be healthier and more intuitive all around. You can see it through the hole in the cardboard base in the first picture. Although I guess it could technically be 8... Cloaking rules haven't changed, so you're still a soft 2 agility TIE when out of cloak. You're a much lower priority target, but the reduction in attack value and inability to target lock really hurts the offense. 1 TasteTheRainbow reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sithborg 11,447 Posted May 7, 2018 Not surprising. But, lets see what other upgrades they will have. Also, they are sure to be much cheaper, which will be nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ficklegreendice 34,324 Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) You're coming out of cloak with a free evade If you've dodged your opponent's fire without having to use that evade, you get to cloak (again for free) The new Stygium what'sit is great. A 3 die phantom is going to be aokay and not something that can be ignored Edited May 7, 2018 by ficklegreendice 6 Nyxen, Mattman7306, Maui. and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HolySorcerer 4,102 Posted May 7, 2018 1 minute ago, ficklegreendice said: You're coming out of cloak with a free evade If you've dodged your opponent's fire without having to use that evade, you get to cloak (again for free) A 3 die phantom is going to be aokay and not something that can be ignored An evade token on a 2 agility ship. It will be easy to push damage through on that. These had better be cheap now, as their offense and defense took a pretty big hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ficklegreendice 34,324 Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said: An evade token on a 2 agility ship. It will be easy to push damage through on that. These had better be cheap now, as their offense and defense took a pretty big hit. Everything is easy to put damage through on in this edition (in theory and hopefully) but a free token is rare in 2.0 and therefore super valuable Assuming decloak remains the same + lack of turrets = well played phantoms will kick *** Course I also believe they should be around pre-fix 1.0 xwing prices because their statline is the same, but I also think they got tons of potential Defense has actually been greatly improved though, or do they not play ps > 9 where you're at? Edited May 7, 2018 by ficklegreendice 4 Mattman7306, xanderf, LordFajubi and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polaritie 207 Posted May 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said: An evade token on a 2 agility ship. It will be easy to push damage through on that. These had better be cheap now, as their offense and defense took a pretty big hit. Depends what their mod options are. Because if they aren't using mod slot on cloaking upgrades... Well, I can think of a 1.0 mod that would go great there. 3 SEApocalypse, vtarin and DagobahDave reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ABXY 1,018 Posted May 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, HolySorcerer said: Cloaking rules haven't changed... I wonder if they'll decloak in the "device" phase? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Commander Kaine 2,659 Posted May 7, 2018 Boo! Hiss! Remove the 4 Attack from the Ghost as well. It was pure powercreep anyway. 6 1 Wishbone, Zura, Shinren and 4 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HolySorcerer 4,102 Posted May 7, 2018 Just now, ficklegreendice said: Everything is easy to put damage through on in this edition (in theory and hopefully) but a free token is rare in 2.0 and therefore super valuable Assuming decloak remains the same + lack of turrets = well played phantoms will kick *** Course I also believe they should be around pre-fix 1.0 xwing prices because they're statline is the same, but I also think they got tons of potential They've said on stream that the only change to cloaking is that the decloak takes place in the new Systems phase. I was hoping for a defensive buff, i.e. dropping locks while cloaked, but it doesn't sound like that's the case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TylerTT 1,276 Posted May 7, 2018 There is now only one attack stat. 3 anything more than 3 is clearly too good. Anything less is clearly too bad. 1 Zura reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ficklegreendice 34,324 Posted May 7, 2018 Systems phase is after dials down, before dial reveal So it's unchanged, but stygiums are built in (and VASTLY better as you don't need to waste actions revloaking) and the world of 2.o has changed No turrets! The phantom is FREEEEEEE 7 1 Maui., StriderZessei, xanderf and 5 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SEApocalypse 4,385 Posted May 7, 2018 New stygium array cloaking mechanic with spending unused evade tokens to cloak seems quite fun. The agi seems to be still 2, because it does not look like a 3 on that card. Not a fan of that. PS 5 is problematic as well. Let's hope for Echo and PS 5 at least for her as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ficklegreendice 34,324 Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) How is 5 problematic? There's only 1 better initiative as opposed to 3 in 1.0 (10, 11, 12) Only people shooting before whisper now are the NATIVE ps 9s from 1.0 Edited May 7, 2018 by ficklegreendice 2 Varyag and Duskwalker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Commander Kaine 2,659 Posted May 7, 2018 1 minute ago, SEApocalypse said: New stygium array cloaking mechanic with spending unused evade tokens to cloak seems quite fun. The agi seems to be still 2, because it does not look like a 3 on that card. Not a fan of that. PS 5 is problematic as well. Let's hope for Echo and PS 5 at least for her as well. PS 5 means.... Vader, Luke, Soontir and Wedge shoot before him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ficklegreendice 34,324 Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Commander Kaine said: PS 5 means.... Vader, Luke, Soontir and Wedge shoot before him. Luke's a 5 Literally on higher initiative are the ps 9s from 1.0 Edited May 7, 2018 by ficklegreendice 1 VanderLegion reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SEApocalypse 4,385 Posted May 7, 2018 Just now, Commander Kaine said: PS 5 means.... Vader, Luke, Soontir and Wedge shoot before him. I bet Han is shooting first. With a turret. And no trouble to move that turret into the right arc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Commander Kaine 2,659 Posted May 7, 2018 I meant Han... Rebel Scum all of them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ficklegreendice 34,324 Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Commander Kaine said: I meant Han... Rebel Scum all of them soontir and vader are rebel scum ?? the emperor will not be pleased also, guys, initiative doesn't matter as much for phantom anymore advanced cloaking is GONE GONE phantoms don't have to be shackled to it and its ps dependency anymore sure it's nice to evade with whisper, but even if you don't use the evade you still get to recloak Edited May 7, 2018 by ficklegreendice 3 Duskwalker, Ayleron and Maui. reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
