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I consider myself a pretty good video editor, but I think this guy takes the cake. I can't wait to see the finished product. (No it is not the dumb one taking all the women out.) If you enjoy film editing, check it out, or just want the Last Jedi fixed.
 

 

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On 4/24/2018 at 10:12 PM, Jadotch said:

I consider myself a pretty good video editor, but I think this guy takes the cake. I can't wait to see the finished product. (No it is not the dumb one taking all the women out.) If you enjoy film editing, check it out, or just want the Last Jedi fixed.

On a more serious note: His edit looks very interesting and indeed does create a lot of tension. Personally I might even prefer his version.

But he misses an important point: the scene does exactly what it is supposed to do! It over exaggerates Poe to the point where he is almost a caricature. The jokes set up his failure. They set up his fall. He does not take the situation seriously enough, and it ruins the resistance. He falls even further up to his mutiny, and it isn't until Luke that he finally understands and redeems himself.

Now, is the extreme degree of jokes too much, and would the pointless sacrifice of the bombers and the mutiny later have been enough? Maybe. But maybe it would have gone wrong, based on all the other countless instances where people complain about details they already missed or misunderstood.

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No amount of editing could redeem The Last Jedi for me. There is just too much wrong with this movie. It's been awhile since I saw it but it seemed like there were things I disliked in almost every scene. If you edit out all the forced humor, lame new characters, contrived plot devices, anti-climatic resolutions, pointless sub-plots, left-wing politics, manufactured character conflicts, and all the other stupid decisions Rian Johnson made in this film there wouldn't be anything left except a few special effects shots. You just need to just scrap the whole thing and start over.

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Unfortunately you can't edit your way out of the many problems with this film. honestly I would rank TLJ as the weakest file in the series, including prequels, largely because it fails completely as a film. Technically speaking, it looks gorgeous, it even had a few plot ideas that seemed fresh and interesting. Heck, it tried to create a morally ambiguous argument, in a flippin star wars movie. Unfortunately these positives are quickly undone by the script, and of course the director. it has massive issues regarding tone. it can't seem to decide which plot lines are important and which aren't.  plot contrivance and plot holes are everywhere. It's biggest crime though, has to be the fact that it's director seems to think that subversion is a virtue in and of itself, but clearly didn't have either the approval from Disney or the writing chops to make that subversion mean anything. The first 2 hours of this movie relentlessly tear at everything Star Wars about the film, telling us that Jedi suck, the Resistance sucks, Light sabers suck, and that pretty much every fond memory we have from the OG trilogy is BS, only for the 2nd or 3rd climax to backtrack absolutely everything setup prior in this one film. 

Structurally the film is a mess. A New hope is effectively a single continuous story from start to finish with TFA following the same structure. Empire is two stories that start together, separate after escaping from Hoth, and rejoin each other by the end for our climax. ROTJ is a mix of the first two, following one plot line before splitting into three distinct but simultaneous climax's. TLJ is effectively 4 separate plot lines, meandering about until everyone is contrived onto the salt planet for the last of the films climax's. make no mistake there are at least 3 separate scenes that qualify, with each climax diminishing in weight and purpose as the film continues to limp on. Climax 1: Kylo kills Snoke and asks Rey to join him before... Climax 2: Holdo's sacrifice allows the heroes aboard the FO ship to escape down to the salt planet and join the surviving resistance before... Climax 3: Luke shows up out of nowhere to hold off Kylo, sacrifice himself, and allow Rey to get the rest of the Resistance to safety. It's that 3rd ending that really screws with things and completely destroys what the film was building to, which was quite obviously a subversion of classic star wars tropes and themes. while the entire movie seems to be smacking you on the nose with a rolled up newspaper for liking the original trilogy, the final end to this film is a big silly affirmation of those same tropes and themes we've been getting chastised over for literally two and a half hours. Honestly why couldn't they end the film in Snokes throne room? The notion that our hero and our villain could wind up working together in the next film is a much more interesting way to end things than what we have, which effectively is the old guard being killed off to make room for more of the same. If you break it down story beat for story beat, this film is structured more like a comedy of errors, than some kind of fantasy adventure. Characters are constantly making terrible decisions based on the results of their last terrible decision, until almost all 400 of the remaining resistance fighters are dead. The film ends with over 90% of the heroes gone for good, but it's all smiles and high fives aboard the Falcon as they zoom through hyperspace, evidently not giving a crap that most of their friends are dead.

Rian Johnson comes across as this poor put upon guy who desperately wanted to make something original, but unfortunately confused originality with actively trolling the audience. It's not hard to see why, one of the biggest complaints regarding TFA is that it is just a soft reboot of a New Hope. under that premise TFA works just fine, it looks good, is lighthearted and fun, and competently introduces our heroes,  villains, and main conflict. But still Johnson couldn't stand to be accused of ripping off Empire. to avoid that accusation, he apparently took Empire apart, beat for beat, and then did the opposite for TLJ. The end result is a Star Wars movie actively rebelling against what the audience thinks a Star Wars movie should be. 

TLJ is a movie that successfully spins it's wheels for the entirety of the run time. All it manages to accomplish is get a character killed whom the audience knew nothing of and cared nothing for, and kill off another character while simultaneously making sure you know he'll be back for the next movie as a blue ghost. At the beginning of the film we have a weak and battered Resistance running away from Snoke and the FO. At the end we have a now devastated Resistance continuing to run from the FO but now Kylo is in charge. Rey has been taught nothing, Kylo despite all his posturing is still just as evil and angry as he was at the start. The Subtext of this film wants to be "Star Wars has to change if it is to continue" while the film itself is an exercise in seeing just how little growth and change is needed before rolling credits. 

Sorry to post such a long rambling mess on what appears to be a dead topic, but I really wanted to say some of this stuff. I care about Star Wars as a series, and want to see it continue. Like everyone on these forums I'm opinionated about this stuff, and wanted to share. Thanks for reading. 

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1 hour ago, Hippie Moosen said:

It's biggest crime though, has to be the fact that

Disney is apparently happy to condone suicide bombing (Admiral Holdo's "heroic sacrifice") in a film marketed to children worldwide?

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17 minutes ago, Rossetti1828 said:

Disney is apparently happy to condone suicide bombing (Admiral Holdo's "heroic sacrifice") in a film marketed to children worldwide?

Violence has always been a part of Star Wars, so the nature in which Holdo carries out her sacrifice doesn't bug me. We see a pilot ram his A-wing into the bridge of the Executor in ROTJ in a similar fashion though admittedly not while moving at light speed and unarguably killing fewer soldiers in the act.

My problems mainly boil down to the film makers seemingly forgetting how to make a film because the property is worth too much. Disney is this polished and calculating business that spent billions to acquire this licence. They picked a team to direct, script, and plan all three films but dropped them after their first film because people said it was too similar to ANH. As a follow up they picked a dude who's done like 2 big budget productions before this one, and apparently told him that he can't make a movie that people will accuse of ripping off empire, and also can't make a movie that will take Star Wars in anything resembling a new direction without backtracking to the status quo by the end.

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On 11/7/2018 at 11:07 PM, Hippie Moosen said:

Violence has always been a part of Star Wars, so the nature in which Holdo carries out her sacrifice doesn't bug me. We see a pilot ram his A-wing into the bridge of the Executor in ROTJ in a similar fashion though admittedly not while moving at light speed and unarguably killing fewer soldiers in the act.

Violence aside, A-wing guy was just out of control and then crashed, didn't he? I came out of watching RotJ in the cinema when I was a kid and never thought that A-wing guy was a hero. Holdo's actions were her choice.  If suicide attacks are just "sacrifices" that don't bug people then that's pretty bleak. I suppose it's becoming normalised these days.

Edit: I know my comments are off-topic, but I feel that (entirely justified) complaints about talentless filmmakers come a very distant second compared to the moral message being transmitted to impressionable young people by this film. We may as well have the third sequel film have 99% of the resistance do suicide attacks so that Rey can live happily ever after. My personal point of view.

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1 hour ago, Rossetti1828 said:

 Violence aside, A-wing guy was just out of control and then crashed, didn't he? I came out of watching RotJ in the cinema when I was a kid and never though that A-wing guy was a hero. Holdo's actions were her choice.  If suicide attacks are just "sacrifices" that don't bug people then that's pretty bleak. I suppose it's becoming normalised these days.

 Edit: I know my comments are off-topic, but I feel that (entirely justified) complaints about talentless filmmakers come a very distant second compared to the moral message being transmitted to impressionable young people by this film. We may as well have the third sequel film have 99% of the resistance do suicide attacks so that Rey can live happily ever after. My personal point of view.

"Heroic" sacrifices on film these days do seem to be used as a substitute for character development, to the point where just about any action or adventure story these days will feature at least one person getting themselves killed in such a manner. Holdo doesn't seem to be any kind of exception to that, since she almost exists solely to be the one to carry out this attack and allow the plot to continue. Though, you are absolutely right that morally it does seem pretty messed up to try and glorify what is basically a Kamikaze attack launched out of desperation in a last bid to cause as many casualties as possible. 

Moral arguments against this film don't feel particularly necessary though. It took me a lot of thinking about it to get past all of the everything else and even notice that this movie was kinda loaded with morally questionable ideas. Like the end to the casino segment where our heroes decide not to direct their anger at the arms dealers testing weapons on civilians, so they can instead release rampaging wild animals in the city itself. sure that's gonna irritate and probably harm some of the people their mad at, but it's definitely going to be worse on the poor people who were already suffering. The heroes retaliate against the evil elite by just causing uncontrolled mayhem in a populated city. probably mostly populated by the people that our heroes wanted to help. It's laughably easy to find moral shortcomings in any Star Wars film though. It is, after all, a series that makes tons of money off of selling the fantasy of war in space to children and adults alike. We've got macaroni shaped like a child murdering space wizard and his army of gestapo inspired soldiers... ya know for the kids.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I can forgive certain moral failings if what is shown serves the purpose of telling an engaging story. This film though doesn't give us a reason to overlook these things. Arguing moral points is a difficult thing to do, but tearing this movie apart for it's other more technical failings is a much easier argument to prop up. it also eliminates the need to attack the film on moral grounds, because frankly, no one cares about the morality of a piece of garbage.

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41 minutes ago, Hippie Moosen said:

because frankly, no one cares about the morality of a piece of garbage.

Well you are right, the film is garbage first and foremost. But that's speaking as an adult with a comparative store of cultural and artistic experiences, and we can dismiss it pretty easily.  Young viewers won't have that to the same extent and may just suck up the narrative and story and questionable actions done by the Good Guys and consider it all Heroic and Worthy. Oh well, I suppose I'm just mightily irritated by this film.... I'll stop now.

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On 4/24/2018 at 5:12 PM, Jadotch said:

I consider myself a pretty good video editor, but I think this guy takes the cake. I can't wait to see the finished product. (No it is not the dumb one taking all the women out.) If you enjoy film editing, check it out, or just want the Last Jedi fixed.
 

 

Amazing job!! 

I'm looking forward to see the "new" movie.

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