New flotillas - End of Round rules vs Tabling someone (400pts)

[Petersaber 156]

Oh my, that's going a bit too far.

Edited April 12, 2018 by Petersaber

[ovinomanc3r 4,437]

I am two steps ahead. I was working on triple ISD fleets since the regional. I will make it competitive or die at the trial.

[TheEasternKing 607]

Just for clarification, what impact does this have on Raddus bomb?

[Drasnighta 26,832]

8 minutes ago, TheEasternKing said:

Just for clarification, what impact does this have on Raddus bomb?

Means you can’t just start with Flotillas on the board, you need at least a Hammerhead or other corvette...

[TheEasternKing 607]

18 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Means you can’t just start with Flotillas on the board, you need at least a Hammerhead or other corvette...

Cheers mate.

[Drasnighta 26,832]

1 minute ago, TheEasternKing said:

Cheers mate.

Well, really, as I think about it, that was already the case because Raddus needed a Non Flotilla ride anyway.

You just cant Hyoerspace Asssilt it leaving a flotilla on the board now 

[DrakonLord 752]

16 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Well, really, as I think about it, that was already the case because Raddus needed a Non Flotilla ride anyway.

You just cant Hyoerspace Asssilt it leaving a flotilla on the board now 

Please tell me you were typing on a phone.

Or a cyclone hit.

Or aliens tried to abduct you.

Or something else happened that i can blame.

Cause i had to read that twice to understand that lmao

[CDAT 243]

1 hour ago, DrakonLord said:

Please tell me you were typing on a phone.

Or a cyclone hit.

Or aliens tried to abduct you.

Or something else happened that i can blame.

Cause i had to read that twice to understand that lmao

And I found it easier to read then a lot of the posts with all the abbreviations.

[namdoolb 290]

3 hours ago, CDAT said:

And I found it easier to read then a lot of the posts with all the abbreviations.

 

5 hours ago, DrakonLord said:

Please tell me you were typing on a phone.

Or a cyclone hit.

Or aliens tried to abduct you.

Or something else happened that i can blame.

Cause i had to read that twice to understand that lmao

Lol, my money is on phone... all the errors are adjacent to the key that they are supposed to be (on qwerty),

 

Meaning that someone needs to teach their autocorrect some star wars words :-)

[Drasnighta 26,832]

5 minutes ago, namdoolb said:

 

Lol, my money is on phone... all the errors are adjacent to the key that they are supposed to be (on qwerty),

 

Meaning that someone needs to teach their autocorrect some star wars words :-)

It already knows Interdictor and Mandalorian.

 

[ovinomanc3r 4,437]

Mine knows BTAvenger...

[Ardaedhel 10,844]

1 hour ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Mine knows BTAvenger...

Mine doesn't.  Only BTVenger.

[Kristjan 218]

What happens if you're 2nd player playing station assault and get tabled before the stations can be destroyed (or any objective collection mission)? Would the second player add the points he destroyed to his objective points? This could potentially be more than the 400 points the first player scored.

[Drasnighta 26,832]

It doesn't matter.

 

The game ends at that point, and points not earned are not earned.

Points that are earned, and have been earned, are added to your total, for example...  

But You still lose.

If you end up with more points than the Winner, the Winner still wins, they just do so with an MOV of 0.

Edited April 15, 2018 by Drasnighta

[Kristjan 218]

I get what you're saying, but this actually helps the player getting tabled in some situations. In a station assault if the second player gets tabled (perhaps intentionally) before the 1st player can kill the stations that's a big MOV swing. 

Edited April 16, 2018 by Kristjan

[Drasnighta 26,832]

Yeah, but thats always been the case.  You don't score rounds you don't play, basically...  Even with Fire Lanes from Day One.

 

 

Edited April 16, 2018 by Drasnighta

[Ardaedhel 10,844]

2 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Yeah, but thats always been the case.  You don't score rounds you don't play, basically...  Even with Fire Lanes from Day One.

 

 

Yup, this is nothing new. It's on you to recognize that as a consideration and evaluate the risks and rewards of tabling vs allowing a ship to live to farm objective points. I've had numerous games in which this has come up.

[Drasnighta 26,832]

I've even been TO at a tournament where someone flew their Demolisher off the table to end the game on Turn 3 so fire Lanes wouldn't be milked 4 more turns...

 

That ensuing argument was fun to adjudicate.

[Ardaedhel 10,844]

I've been on the same side as Demo in that example. Not ideal, but that's what cutting your losses looks like.

[Daht 481]

Also, at least at last year's worlds.. if you table somebody you get a flat 400pts.. you don't get any victory tokens added to that (had a friend table a fleet on superior positions and Judges ruled his 150ish points of tokens didn't count so it ended up a low mov 6-5)...    This could make that flotilla rule a bit tricky in the right scenario also.

Not saying I agree with that ruling, but that was the ruling at worlds...

 

[drumtier 95]

From the tournament rules:

Calculating a Player’s Score
A player’s score helps determine who won the game in certain circumstances and is used to calculate Margin of Victory (see “Margin of Victory” on page 17). Each player calculates their score by adding together the total fleet point value of their opponent’s destroyed ships—including upgrade cards equipped to those ships—their opponent’s destroyed squadrons, and any additional points earned through objectives.
If a player destroys all of his or her opponent’s ships that are not flotillas, the opponent’s fleet is worth 400 fleet points for the purposes of calculating score, even if the total ship, squadron, and upgrade cards are worth fewer fleet points.
If a player concedes the game, that player receives 0 tournament points and a Margin of Victory of 0.
If his or her opponent has a Margin of Victory of 140 points or more, the opponent receives tournament points and a Margin of Victory as outlined in “Tournament Points” on page 17. Otherwise, his or her opponent receives 8 tournament points and a Margin of Victory of 140. If two players have exactly the same score or both players’ fleets are destroyed in the same game round, the second player is the winner, but his or her Margin of Victory is 0.

Margin of Victory
At the end of each game, the winning player subtracts the loser’s score from his or her score. This is the winner’s Margin of Victory (“MoV”) for the round. If this would result in a negative number, the winner’s Margin of Victory is 0. If this would result in a number larger than 400, the winner’s Margin of Victory is 400. The losing player receives a Margin of Victory of 0.
If both players destroy their opponent’s fleet, each player receives a Margin of Victory of 0.
When a player receives a bye, he or she receives a Margin of Victory of 140.

[TheEasternKing 607]

1 hour ago, Daht said:

Also, at least at last year's worlds.. if you table somebody you get a flat 400pts.. you don't get any victory tokens added to that (had a friend table a fleet on superior positions and Judges ruled his 150ish points of tokens didn't count so it ended up a low mov 6-5)...    This could make that flotilla rule a bit tricky in the right scenario also.

Not saying I agree with that ruling, but that was the ruling at worlds...

 

That seems a bit harsh.

It says the fleet is worth destroyed + OB points.

No where does it even hint you lose OB points.

[Kristjan 218]

I think it means you are maxed out at 400 MoV, not your total score can't be higher than 400. For example say you table your opponent and get 80 points of objectives while losing 120 points. In this scenario I think you would get (400 + 80) - 120 = 360 good enough for 10-1. If your score after tabling is a flat 400, it would be 280, a 9-2.

[Daht 481]

 

3 minutes ago, Kristjan said:

I think it means you are maxed out at 400 MoV, not your total score can't be higher than 400. For example say you table your opponent and get 80 points of objectives while losing 120 points. In this scenario I think you would get (400 + 80) - 120 = 360 good enough for 10-1. If your score after tabling is a flat 400, it would be 280, a 9-2.

 

That isn't how it was ruled, that was the winner's assumption and was ruled he got just the 400.  It swung the score by 3 or 4 points in that instance.  Might be a good thing to ask before worlds how they currently interpret the rule..

[Drasnighta 26,832]

2 hours ago, Daht said:

 

 

That isn't how it was ruled, that was the winner's assumption and was ruled he got just the 400.  It swung the score by 3 or 4 points in that instance.  Might be a good thing to ask before worlds how they currently interpret the rule..

I’d like to think it would be interpreted as per the regulations.

The FLEET component of scoring is 400.

mov is calculated normally at that point... it’s jyst you score 400 for the fleet rather than what you actually killed...

 

I don’t see how any other interpretation can be synced with the way the regulation is written (and quoted above)