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I have recently had some success with the following:

200/200

Reanimates [64] 4x3
File Leader [6]
Raven-Standard Bearer [3]
Aggressive Drummer [5]
Moment of Inspiration [5]
Total Unit Cost: 83

Reanimate Archers [45] 3x2
Tempered Steel [3]
Combat Ingenuity [6]
Total Unit Cost: 54

Carrion Lancers [15] 1x1
Total Unit Cost: 15

Carrion Lancers [15] 1x1
Total Unit Cost: 15

Death Knights [24] 2x1
Obcasiums Gauntlet [5]
Rank Discipline [4]
Total Unit Cost: 33

 

but with our store championship coming up this weekend I was wondering if there were room for improvement. The 3x2 archer block with CI is nice but I find that I don't put out that much blight due to using the surge for tempered steel. So I am swapping out the CI for rank discipline to keep up consistency after the back rank is gone. I was also thinking of reducing the reanimate block down to a 3x3 and changing around the upgrades (probably file leader, blighted vex bearer, lingering dead) and spending the extra points on upgrading the death knights to 2x2 (gauntlet and MoI).

Thoughts?

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Overall, I like this list a lot. I just wonder about Aggresive Drummer on a unit that is designed around a “make them come” mentality. I do suppose it provides some flexibility. 

 

Dont drop Raven if you keep fle leader. Getting melee down to init3 is a big deal for that upgrade (to me)

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2 hours ago, Church14 said:

 

Dont drop Raven if you keep fle leader. Getting melee down to init3 is a big deal for that upgrade (to me)

I would have thought adding lingering dead would make the initiative you attack at irrelevant 

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11 minutes ago, Qark said:

would have thought adding lingering dead would make the initiative you attack at irrelevant 

Not if you attack first and knock off some/all of a back rank or remove threat reducing the amount of damage you recieve.

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9 hours ago, Qark said:

I would have thought adding lingering dead would make the initiative you attack at irrelevant 

To me, they are a counterintuitive combo, but it is certainly a thing. 

File leader allows you to potentially reduce incoming damage and preserve trays by reducing the attackers threat or removing rerolls. Lingering Dead allows for you to preserve trays by letting regeneration sometimes fill the half-empty tray and spill into a completely empty tray. So both function semi-defensively.

 

They also provide offense together. Lingering Dead allows you to preserve rerolls and preserve the threat on your flank in case you get flank charged after the first damage done to you in a turn. So Lingering Dead (sometimes) keeps the damage done by File Leader higher for longer. 

 

Raven Standard Bearer is a bit funny in that combo as it doesn’t really combo directly. It just kind of acts as a force multiplier. Essentially, I face enough armies with multiple Raven Pennants that allow earlier charges. File leader really wants to have your melee revealed before the charges can start hitting or you don’t get the full effect. 

 

This is all just my take and it can quite possibly be completely wrong

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So I basically like the list, but I wonder - does File Leader open you up to being stalled? Reanimates are famously slow, though Aggressive Drummer helps immensely with that, but picture this: a scary unit, say a 3x2 Oathsworn with relevant upgrades, is lined up to charge your Reanimates at such a distance that you can't stop them. So, taking advantage of your File Leader, you dial in the attack, only to find that the Oathsworn reform or rally or something rather than charging into that death trap. Your 83 point unit has lost a precious turn of doing anything.

As I write this, I feel more and more like "yep, that's Runewars!" and if your opponent knows the possibility and YOU know THEY know then maybe you can get that charge after all and and and

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2 hours ago, Bhelliom said:

So I basically like the list, but I wonder - does File Leader open you up to being stalled? Reanimates are famously slow, though Aggressive Drummer helps immensely with that, but picture this: a scary unit, say a 3x2 Oathsworn with relevant upgrades, is lined up to charge your Reanimates at such a distance that you can't stop them. So, taking advantage of your File Leader, you dial in the attack, only to find that the Oathsworn reform or rally or something rather than charging into that death trap. Your 83 point unit has lost a precious turn of doing anything.

As I write this, I feel more and more like "yep, that's Runewars!" and if your opponent knows the possibility and YOU know THEY know then maybe you can get that charge after all and and and

I have run file leader and I found that this is the most predictable thing to happen when you are playing against smart players.  The reality is that File Leader will only impact 1 round out of the entire game, the round where you reveal ahead of a charge and get a free melee attack.  Most players don't swarm a unit that has file leader (from my experience) since they are aware that once engaged, that unit will continue to perform melee attacks until the other unit is dead, so charging into them is giving a free attack away.

If the opponent is smart, they will take smaller faster moves to get in close to the unit and charge when they won't suffer the file leader attack.  Because of this, I've used that champion slot for other things, like mistland Saboteur which is amazing for things like moment of inspiration, or the expensive artifacts.  Especially with the Reanimates which I don't really feel the free panic token has a very large value, why not go for the skill modifier instead and remove and upgrade card?  That will immediately reduce your opponent's overall army score.

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4 hours ago, Bhelliom said:

So I basically like the list, but I wonder - does File Leader open you up to being stalled?

Yep. Totally happened to me one game. My Reanimates were in position to stop some Oathsworn from delivering a bomb to my terrain , so at the time, I didn't mind dialing in melee attacks and waiting for his Reanimates to charge me. I literally went 4 rounds facing down his unit of Reanimates with Ardus figure, and nothing happened because I had File Leader, and he didn't dare charge me. I ended up losing, and only then did I realize that I need to get that unit engaged and destroying things for it to pull its weight for how expensive it is.

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So store champs was today and I won! 9-2, 10-1, 8-3. I ended up running the changes I suggested in my original post:

196/200
Reanimates [50] 3x3
File Leader [6]
Blighted Vexillum Bearer [3]
Lingering Dead [3]
Total Unit Cost: 62

Reanimate Archers [45] 3x2
Tempered Steel [3]
Rank Discipline [4]
Total Unit Cost: 52

Carrion Lancers [15] 1x1
Total Unit Cost: 15

Carrion Lancers [15] 1x1
Total Unit Cost: 15

Death Knights [42] 2x2
Obcasiums Gauntlet [5]
Moment of Inspiration [5]
Total Unit Cost: 52
 
Thanks for all your suggestions. I seriously considered all of them but as you can see I didn't implement any of them. At the very least, it made me realize that I like the list the way it is.
 
As for the File Leader / lingering dead / ravan standard discussion I really like the build the way I ran it today. No, file leader didn't go off once but that wasn't the point. The idea was to take options away from my opponent. All my opponents elected to charge early at int 3 before I revealed the attack rather than charge late. If I had the ravan standard I might have get an attack off when they did that (depending on who was player 1 that turn) but with lingering dead as well I don't really care. Would the attack have reduced the damage I took? Maybe a little, but in general the 2 reds from the reanimates aren't going to reduce threat very much, unlike the blighted vex bearer that will always reduce the damage by a noticeable amount. Yes, I could be stalled but I am 100% okay with this as I use the reanimates to hold a flank, so if my opponent doesn't attack that buys me an extra turn.
 
First round was against another undead player who ran something along the lines of:
Maro, violent forces, dice
2x 2x1 Lancers, Rank discipline
2x1 Archers, CI
3x2 deathknights, column tactics, raven tabards
Playing bounty: my archers, his deathknights
My reanimates got wrecked by archers and lancers but that is what they are there for. My death knights didn't want to face his death knights and deployed on the opposite side of the table and ended up taking down the archers and Maro. My lancers held up the deathknights just barely long enough for the archers to take them down, giving me the bonus points for the objective. 9-2
 
Second round was against a Karithorne, something like:
Kari, Dice
Hawthorne, reaping blade, sweeping strikes
Oathsworn 4x1, rank discipline, wind rune
4x1 Elf archers, tempered steel
3x2 spears, naked
We played careful approach and I placed two of the terrain pieces in places that meant the large scary units could only get to me one at a time, right down the diagonal. The two heroes tried a double envelopment https://youtu.be/hGK8e6bZKp0?t=28 but couldn't do much without the support of the rest of the army. My archers, shielded by the lancers, took down most of the army as they tried to approach one at a time.
 
Third round was against another Karithorne but this one was a bit different, something like:
Kari, dice
2x3 oathsworn, MOI, windrune
3x3 spears, hawthorne and every other upgrade under the sun.
Hammer and anvil, with demoralize their forces. I chose the wide deployment, humans got the deep. Both cav were set up on the same flank and engaged early, my deathknights died but not before killing a row of oathsworn and applying the gauntlet. The oathsworn were then stuck behind the windruneing spearmen and couldn't get back into the fight before dying to death's grasp. Kari died turn 2 or 3 after finding herself in range of my archer block and getting charged by a lancer. The big scary spearmen block hit my reanimates around turn 3 or 4 with a nasty flank but with some lucky moral checks my reanimates held until turn 8! This gave my archers time to whidle down the massive spearmen block and a lancer to finish off what was left with a flank charge.
 
In the end top 4 were:
1. Undead
2. Human
3. Elf
4. Uthuk
 
For a very well rounded finish.
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